Time Trial Discussion

[ScottPuss20]

I was finally able to use one of my kitty cars last night! Doesn't it look great? Anyway, the track limits are extremely lenient here. You can get away with a lot more than you'd expect, so don't be afraid to push your luck because it might just pay off.

 

[KAlex122]

Always great to see you - above me in my friend's board...

That's a very small gap at the Valley.

If you have some time left, you might have a look at the "Clash of the Titans" thread as the upcoming weekend is free Multiplayer time... See you on sunday!

Thanks for the heads up. I'll be away on Sunday but maybe back soon enough.

The Lambo just wasn't for me. Found a second in the G70. Could already be enough for gold (buying and tuning cars for the Nordschleife is expensive ).

 

[TheNormsk]

I tried the least likely car going for LM.

Yeah, the Swift is not so swift

Then I did the meta, but forgot the cow.

Now I challenge you. Who can get the Swift in to gold. Bonus points if it’s in a cow suit!

 

[Gorefast]

And not to mention @Pesselles ..
You did set quite a descent time on the board! 😄😉💪💪

Nowadays there comes "het snelle Piet" on fifth of decembre... Nokia or not.

I will stay at GV for the next days and watch the cows running. It is funny and far away...

 

[Lomic]

I just don't care about the metas, and you definitely don't need them for the gold.

Meta cars are definitely not a must in this combo.

I'll take all the help I can get even if it is placebo 😅

And as I tend to not do so much in terms of TT, I won't be trying too many cars. So far I don't know how to use the most meta, but the Genesis gave me much better results than the 2 others I tried so I will stick to it.

 

[Gomario JSP]

Morning Folks,

First stint in the land of pizza...., i think they have cows too though
( very close to the swiss Milka cows )

I wanted to do a full good run in the Genesis before i'm getting back to the cow, hoping i can master the " braking-go-Barry-R" on the thing....., feels like the F40 sometimes
any tips? ABS default? weak on the cow?

That said, i could not get near what i was hoping for, had one promising 25.9 on the backstraight but i can't work my way around Banky-Booyy, i loose to much time there, started yesterday in second, now in third, seems better though but still is a lottery.
and when you finally nail that........ hello orange sausage in the end

Never been super fast in this class if i recall but not giving in that easy
it's a descent start!

 

[Lomic]

Never been super fast in this class if i recall but not giving in that easy

You rank 173th and you are not super fast in this class ? Do you rank in the negatives when it is a class you are super fast with ? 😅

 

[Jeje6410]

You rank 173th and you are not super fast in this class ? Do rank in the negatives when it is a class you are super fast with ? 😅

that's what athletes who tamper with their machines generally say !!!! 🤣🤣 Doping !!!! Doping !!!! 🤣🤣🤣

 

[Gomario JSP]

You rank 173th and you are not super fast in this class ? Do you rank in the negatives when it is a class you are super fast with ? 😅

, true indeed, but that 173 will drop like crazy, this class is so competitive and a lot more people seem faster on these combo's.
and i did check @half_sourly sheets and never been in the top 100 on a GR.4 event and i have a few top 100 finishes now.
This class seems to suit everybody
But 173 now isn't to Shabbbyyy at all indeed thats true! .....just not enough

 

[Moglet]

I thought I was doing well getting a silver time on my 2nd lap having not really driven the car all that much before, only to see it slip down to bronze within a few hours. The joys of setting times early, I guess. I'll come back to it once the times have settled a little bit more.

 

[KAlex122]

I thought I was doing well getting a silver time on my 2nd lap having not really driven the car all that much before, only to see it slip down to bronze within a few hours. The joys of setting times early, I guess. I'll come back to it once the times have settled a little bit more.

Yeah, at the beginning of GT7 TTs i wasn't sure if I'd like the relativity of gold/silver/bronze time changing with the top time.

But i have to say that makes it more interesting. Otherwise TTs would get stale and boring much faster and everyone can talk about the changes and guess if a time sticks or not.

 

[Moglet]

Yeah, at the beginning of GT7 TTs i wasn't sure if I'd like the relativity of gold/silver/bronze time changing with the top time.

But i have to say that makes it more interesting. Otherwise TTs would get stale and boring much faster and everyone can talk about the changes and guess if a time sticks or not.

It frustrates me sometimes as I don't have a lot of time to be able to go back and complete more laps (I generally get about 20-30 minutes before I need to cook dinner most evenings and that's all) , but it's certainly a nice challenge if I enjoy the car and track combo. Luckily I really like Autodrome Lago Maggiore as a circuit.

 

[S-car-Go]

I've had a short play with the Honda S2000 today comfort tyres actually appeared to be right for the car, a 2:20 on the second lap of three will do as my marker for the week.

 

[crome]

So yesterday I really only wanted to set a gold time at Lago Maggiore and spend the rest of my session trying to get into silver at the Nordschleife somehow. But then it felt so cozy in the Hurracan and the prospect of more suffering in the Red Bull seemed so unappealing by comparison that I simply kept going until I arrived at a 2:05.203. I think a 2:04 is not impossible either, we'll see.

Only problem is that my plug-in is constantly reminding me about my failure in the green hell

 

[ZevZoq]

It frustrates me sometimes as I don't have a lot of time to be able to go back and complete more laps (I generally get about 20-30 minutes before I need to cook dinner most evenings and that's all) , but it's certainly a nice challenge if I enjoy the car and track combo. Luckily I really like Autodrome Lago Maggiore as a circuit.

Personally, I still think there should be a 24 hour "lock down" period where the gold/silver/bronze cut offs are set and people have that last day to just try and get into (or back into) gold while the aliens fight it out for the top spot on the board without shunting anyone out with no time to do anything about it. But that's just me... 🤷‍♂️

 

[feral and bad]

Never been super fast in this class if i recall but not giving in that easy
it's a descent start!

true indeed, but that 173 will drop like crazy, this class is so competitive and a lot more people seem faster on these combo's.
and i did check @half_sourly sheets and never been in the top 100 on a GR.4 event and i have a few top 100 finishes now.
This class seems to suit everybody
But 173 now isn't to Shabbbyyy at all indeed thats true! .....just not enough

By my records GR4 tends to be ridiculously competitive.
Although TT108 is not named as a Group 4 TT, the car in question is listed as a Group 4 car and the time trial used racing hard tires.

5 Dragon Trail | Seaside - Gr.4 1 Sep 2022 23.3%
15 Sardegna - Road Track | Layout C - Gr.4 19 Jan 2023 35.8%
32 Watkins Glen Long Course - Gr.4 29 Jun 2023 25.11%
51 Alsace - Test Course Reverse - Gr.4 2 Nov 2023 17.11%
68 Autopolis International Racing Course - Gr.4 15 Feb 2024 16.33%
73 24 Heures du Mans Racing Circuit - Bugatti Veyron Gr.4 21 Mar 2024 10.72%
82 WeatherTech Raceway Laguna Seca - Volkswagen Scirocco Gr.4 23 May 2024 14.49%
104 Deep Forest Raceway - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Final Edition Gr.4 19 Sep 2024 28.22%
108 Watkins Glen Short Course in the Alfa Romeo 155 2.5 V6 TI '93 10 Oct 2024 34.42%

Gold average of all completed Time Trials is 10.4%, through TT116.
The most competitive of all GR4 time trials was TT73 with 10.72%.
In 4 of the 9 time trials, more than a quarter of the contestants had gold medal results.

To Gomario JSP's assertion:

select a.evt_id, a.psn_result from evt_results a JOIN gtp_contestants b ON a.uuid=b.uuid AND b.gtp_id='Gomario JSP' AND a.evt_id in(5,15,32,51,68,73,82,104,108) ORDER by a.evt_id;
evt_id | psn_result
--------+------------
5 | 6149
15 | 3861
32 | 884
51 | 285
68 | 225
73 | 337
82 | 153
104 | 206
108 | 124

To summarize:
Gold is relatively easy, placing well is not.
Like many, Gomario JSP has become faster over the last year.

 

[Meythia]

Personally, I still think there should be a 24 hour "lock down" period where the gold/silver/bronze cut offs are set and people have that last day to just try and get into (or back into) gold while the aliens fight it out for the top spot on the board without shunting anyone out with no time to do anything about it. But that's just me... 🤷‍♂️

You could also change the treshold for each medal to the same result: making it easier for all players.

But why would you do that?
The money by the challenge isnt that much per time spend, especially not when you are struggeling to get into the golds regularly.
And why do you need to tell yourself "well, with belonging to the best 3% I have earned my share" when the timegap says you wouldnt even compete in the same class?

 

[ZevZoq]

You could also change the treshold for each medal to the same result: making it easier for all players.

But why would you do that?
The money by the challenge isnt that much per time spend, especially not when you are struggeling to get into the golds regularly.
And why do you need to tell yourself "well, with belonging to the best 3% I have earned my share" when the timegap says you wouldnt even compete in the same class?

By the same token, why should someone who's spent 4 or 5 or more hours working to get into gold lose that million credits overnight while he's sleeping because someone somewhere finds another tenth to get the number one spot on the leaderboard which has literally no in-game benefit? The gold/silver/bronze lines are really just arbitrary lines for awarding the prize money. What real difference does it make if I get gold with a 2:02.115 times or a 2:02.155 time? It''s not like locking it down for the last day would hugely impact the overall challenge.

 

[Meythia]

By the same token, why should someone who's spent 4 or 5 or more hours working to get into gold lose that million credits overnight while he's sleeping because someone somewhere finds another tenth to get the number one spot on the leaderboard which has literally no in-game benefit? The gold/silver/bronze lines are really just arbitrary lines for awarding the prize money. What real difference does it make if I get gold with a 2:02.115 times or a 2:02.155 time? It''s not like locking it down for the last day would hugely impact the overall challenge.

Just be better from the getgo for the prices?

 

[skydragon49]

Hi there

Last night I spent some more time at Lago Maggiore. I test drove the metas G70 and the Huracan, but couldn't find much improvement. The thing is on my end though. I realize now some gears choices of mine are all over the place. To be corrected in the next session. 😁

Then I came back to the Viper and got .170 shaved from the previous time. I'm starting to think if I can put it in a lower 2:06 at least, if I correct said gearing choices. 🤔

 

[ZevZoq]

Just be better from the getgo for the prices?

lol...yeah yeah yeah I get the whole "git gud" thing but there's real world time constraints on this stuff right? A lot of people don't have endless free hours to sit there doing lap after lap after lap trying to git gud enuf. And at some point you have to decide whether or not you give it more time or you take a chance on it not holding up. All I'm saying is I think it would make sense for there to be a certain period of time where you know exactly what you're going to need so you can make a choice with some assurance...

 

[Meythia]

lol...yeah yeah yeah I get the whole "git gud" thing but there's real world time constraints on this stuff right? A lot of people don't have endless free hours to sit there doing lap after lap after lap trying to git gud enuf. And at some point you have to decide whether or not you give it more time or you take a chance on it not holding up. All I'm saying is I think it would make sense for there to be a certain period of time where you know exactly what you're going to need so you can make a choice with some assurance...

And all I am saying is: dont look at that money, look at the challenge.
If you invest HOURS! into it to get that extra between silver and gold, maybe spend only a quarter (or much less) on the TT and do some money racing if you desperatly need it.

 

[ZevZoq]

And all I am saying is: dont look at that money, look at the challenge.
If you invest HOURS! into it to get that extra between silver and gold, maybe spend only a quarter (or much less) on the TT and do some money racing if you desperatly need it.

Oh I do look at (and enjoy) the challenge. That's the only reason I commit anything more than one hour to the TTs every week.

 

[Moglet]

Personally, I still think there should be a 24 hour "lock down" period where the gold/silver/bronze cut offs are set and people have that last day to just try and get into (or back into) gold while the aliens fight it out for the top spot on the board without shunting anyone out with no time to do anything about it. But that's just me... 🤷‍♂️

This would help those players who aren't in time zones that align well with the end of the event, too.

 

[Lomic]

@ZevZoq : I understand your feelings, as I am in a similar boat, having not much time (nor wanting to) to invest in TTs and being regularly not so far from gold or just inside the bracket. It is always annoying when Shooter comes during the night when you are sleeping and pushes a bunch of people out of the goldylock zone. Especially on a TT you invested a bit more time than usual.

So I find your idea has some merit. I don't think they'll ever implement anything like it though.

And I don't mind. Maybe I'll improve and I'll be deeper in gold more often and those late improvements won't be an issue anymore.

 

[ZevZoq]

@ZevZoq : I understand your feelings, as I am in a similar boat, having not much time (nor wanting to) to invest in TTs and being regularly not so far from gold or just inside the bracket. It is always annoying when Shooter comes during the night when you are sleeping and pushes a bunch of people out of the goldylock zone. Especially on a TT you invested a bit more time than usual.

So I find your idea has some merit. I don't think they'll ever implement anything like it though.

And I don't mind. Maybe I'll improve and I'll be deeper in gold more often and those late improvements won't be an issue anymore.

Oh I know it won't be implemented at this point. I don't really think my idea would impact my development in any material way at all though really. I fight hard to get the best time I can in these things but almost never does that happen in the last couple days before the end...and it's not like I set a 2.95% time in the first few days and say "OK that should do it." If I set a time that's just inside the gold line like that, I generally always spend another hour or more trying to improve it in that session because I know if I leave it it's going to take me a bunch of time the next session just to even get back close to it again.

 

[Gomario JSP]

By my records GR4 tends to be ridiculously competitive.
Although TT108 is not named as a Group 4 TT, the car in question is listed as a Group 4 car and the time trial used racing hard tires.

5 Dragon Trail | Seaside - Gr.4 1 Sep 2022 23.3%
15 Sardegna - Road Track | Layout C - Gr.4 19 Jan 2023 35.8%
32 Watkins Glen Long Course - Gr.4 29 Jun 2023 25.11%
51 Alsace - Test Course Reverse - Gr.4 2 Nov 2023 17.11%
68 Autopolis International Racing Course - Gr.4 15 Feb 2024 16.33%
73 24 Heures du Mans Racing Circuit - Bugatti Veyron Gr.4 21 Mar 2024 10.72%
82 WeatherTech Raceway Laguna Seca - Volkswagen Scirocco Gr.4 23 May 2024 14.49%
104 Deep Forest Raceway - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Final Edition Gr.4 19 Sep 2024 28.22%
108 Watkins Glen Short Course in the Alfa Romeo 155 2.5 V6 TI '93 10 Oct 2024 34.42%

Gold average of all completed Time Trials is 10.4%, through TT116.
The most competitive of all GR4 time trials was TT73 with 10.72%.
In 4 of the 9 time trials, more than a quarter of the contestants had gold medal results.

To Gomario JSP's assertion:

select a.evt_id, a.psn_result from evt_results a JOIN gtp_contestants b ON a.uuid=b.uuid AND b.gtp_id='Gomario JSP' AND a.evt_id in(5,15,32,51,68,73,82,104,108) ORDER by a.evt_id;
evt_id | psn_result
--------+------------
5 | 6149
15 | 3861
32 | 884
51 | 285
68 | 225
73 | 337
82 | 153
104 | 206
108 | 124

To summarize:
Gold is relatively easy, placing well is not.
Like many, Gomario JSP has become faster over the last year.

that is quite funny to see this way, i did became faster over time due to all you fellow drivers, man i did learn a lot from all you guys, first few TT's i didn't even participate fully ( god i wish i did now ) .

You are running a lot of descent timetrials yourself lately so you did made a huge leap forwards,
i mean... i see a 2:05.354 at Maggiore for example....

We practise, watch people that are faster and try to adapt

Nice work mate!

 

[zjn]

Can't wait to roll around the new TT. Gr4 is my favorite group, Lambo is my favorite car so I'm not going to poke around with car selection.

My Lambo already has a livery, and it's a bull(-like) one. I like it and I'm not going to cow it just for the sake of gold chase.

however.... I was thinking... we are in year 2024 ... cow ... bull ... it shouldn't make that much of a difference anymore....

 

[NAXEHT]

By the same token, why should someone who's spent 4 or 5 or more hours working to get into gold lose that million credits overnight while he's sleeping because someone somewhere finds another tenth to get the number one spot on the leaderboard which has literally no in-game benefit? The gold/silver/bronze lines are really just arbitrary lines for awarding the prize money. What real difference does it make if I get gold with a 2:02.115 times or a 2:02.155 time? It''s not like locking it down for the last day would hugely impact the overall challenge.

You're missing the entertaining part of pushing people out of the required percentage.

 

[ZevZoq]

You're missing the entertaining part of pushing people out of the required percentage.

hahaha, yes I'm aware of that. That's really only entertaining for a very very slim margin of players though.

(to be honest, in a functional sense all it would really do is give people on the line a feeling like they had some control over their destiny. Like for myself if I got knocked out of gold and was sitting at 3.05% or something with 24 hours to go I'd more often than not probably say "oh well, I guess it's silver then." But it would feel like I'd chosen that rather than waking up in the morning feeling like someone had stolen the gold from me while I slept. lol)