total immersion motorsport based game

[sidewayzinCA]

how great would it be to have a game, that would use, say the GT4 physics engine, coupled with maybe a GTA city structure and missions. this game would be extremely realistic, based beginning with a street racer moving his way up into professional motorsports. in order to progress you would have to get a job to finance these modifications until you could substitute that income with the prize money from races or the payofss from certain, "underground" activities including street races or a skilled driver evading police from a bank robbery. you could choose to be good or bad and still end up in the same place...the top of the ladder in a motorsport of your choice. With hopefully online play. Similar to the large maps and amount of real players as WoW i think this would be the ultimate game.

agree/diagree and any input you guys might want.

this would be the ultimate pitch to a company.

 

[Dave A]

Street racers don't move up into professional motorsport, they move down into jail.

Could be interesting but too NFS-ish.

 

[McLaren]

AGREED! 👍

It would definately become the most wanted racer, and of course....feature all kinds of real manufacturers that could only be tuned by a real tuner.

Ferrari=Novitec
Lamborghini=Affolter
Honda=JDM, etc.

Oh, and don't forget the interior views.

 

[sidewayzinCA]

the whole import scene which is where we are at right now in the US. many professionals began with street racing or at least participation in the scene and events when they were younger. ken gushi, i dk if you know who he is but he is the youngest person to be competing in formula D was pusshed by his dad to become as good as he is now. it all started on the streets and its still there. racing in America is a street sport as it became more popular and dangerous they moved it into a safer arena but it still has the same competitive nature. when cars were more readily available in the 50's and 60's people were always racing...ON THE STREETS. thats where the roots are and thats where all the new drivers come from.

 

[Raghavan]

It's a good idea, but no way should it be under the Gran Turismo games.

 

[gt_masta]

the whole import scene which is where we are at right now in the US. many professionals began with street racing or at least participation in the scene and events when they were younger. ken gushi, i dk if you know who he is but he is the youngest person to be competing in formula D was pusshed by his dad to become as good as he is now. it all started on the streets and its still there. racing in America is a street sport as it became more popular and dangerous they moved it into a safer arena but it still has the same competitive nature. when cars were more readily available in the 50's and 60's people were always racing...ON THE STREETS. thats where the roots are and thats where all the new drivers come from.

New drivers come from a sub-motorsport (like karting) and maybe from organized event in which they can use their car, but not illegal street racing.

About your idea, I think it's mixing two totally dfferent games. I wouldn't really want my gta to have me spin evvery time I take a corner too tight. I wouln't want to have to go to work because I need cash to race in GT. So I'm happy with 2 different game and I don't think they should be mixed.

 

[Ev0]

I'd love to see a realistic version of GTA. Realistic driving and flight sims, put together with a realistic FPS. It would take one helluva system to run the game though (unless graphics were sacrificed...).

 

[sidewayzinCA]

New drivers come from a sub-motorsport (like karting) and maybe from organized event in which they can use their car, but not illegal street racing.

About your idea, I think it's mixing two totally dfferent games. I wouldn't really want my gta to have me spin evvery time I take a corner too tight. I wouln't want to have to go to work because I need cash to race in GT. So I'm happy with 2 different game and I don't think they should be mixed.

i guess you dont know much about how american motorsports started, as well as where people develope an interedt in cars an racing, parents may support carting as a safer way to get into racing but the best racers were all hell raisers on the streets, most of the formula D guys all started on the streets, but they aren't that amazing anyways...have fun in CANADA.

second, i am more a fan of the drifting scene and japanese motorsports in general than american drag racing and nascar. I am moderately glad the sports such as JGTC and drifting are picking up speed in the US. The essence of drifting is on the street, that is where you get the most technical courses.

I'd love to see a realistic version of GTA. Realistic driving and flight sims, put together with a realistic FPS. It would take one helluva system to run the game though (unless graphics were sacrificed...).

ANYWAYS Hopefully, with all the advancement in the new consoles, supposedly being better than a modern PC, it could happen. i would love to see a multiplayer online format allowing real people to be in races and tournements kind of like an online poker site.

 

[Driftster]

except that novitec tuning a ferrari does turn it into a NFSUglyground vehicle

 

[Flerbizky]

in order to progress you would have to get a job to finance these modifications

Sounds like a bloody good idea to me !....

[/Sarcasm]

 

[sidewayzinCA]

AGREED! 👍

It would definately become the most wanted racer, and of course....feature all kinds of real manufacturers that could only be tuned by a real tuner.

Ferrari=Novitec
Lamborghini=Affolter
Honda=JDM, etc.

Oh, and don't forget the interior views.

hey incase your wondering JDM isnt a tuner!

 

[Dave A]

i guess you dont know much about how american motorsports started, as well as where people develope an interedt in cars an racing, parents may support carting as a safer way to get into racing but the best racers were all hell raisers on the streets, most of the formula D guys all started on the streets, but they aren't that amazing anyways...have fun in CANADA.

I hope that last bit wasn't meant as an insult.

Regarding the 50's and 60's, yes a lot of people raced on the streets and different forms of morotsports were created from that scene. But, and this is my point and probably gt_masta's, that doesn't happen these days, it hasn't happened like that in decades. Street racing is highly illegal, even if a new professional driver had done it, unless you know him or raced him personally you wouldn't know he was involved in street racing because it's far higher risk these days, and taken far more seriously by the law. Street racing will not get you in any professional motorsport organisation, a racing license and a car you can take to the amature touring cars or wherever could get you there, or karting ect.

 

[McLaren]

hey incase your wondering JDM isnt a tuner!

Whatever....Mugen, Spoon....you get my point?

 

[Driftster]

Yes, but that would still mean it would include ricey novitec modena's

 

[sidewayzinCA]

formula d driver vaughn gitten , Jr. and the rest of the falken team all started on the streets. my best friends shop, speed machine performance built the Falken FD previously driven by tony angelo, who is now kicked off of falken, currently driven by calvin wan. you can look them up, http://www.speedmachineperformance.com/home

heres the direct to the falken car: http://www.speedmachineperformance.com/falken_drift_fd3s

4 of the best american drifters, they were all drifting on the streets 2-3 yrs ago.

 

[Dave A]

Theres no point arguing over where professional race drivers start their careers, sure the odd stupid one might start with street racing, but 95%+ of them all start in amature events, like ATCC or Karting ect, then they move into things like the Clio trophy or single seaters ect and take it from there.

 

[sidewayzinCA]

k manchester, come to america, the police cant regulate **** and a surprising number of stars have a background in racing that started when they got a drivers liscense

 

[gt_masta]

Canada is in america, right? Then you can't illegaly street race here. You're gonna get caught 1) during your race 2) after the race because someone with a cellphone will call the police and take your license plate number. 3) 3% chance you did it on a road that no one evers take and it was less more dangerous than on a highway and you were not caught.

Maybe it's not the same in San Diego, but I doubt the cops are as bad as you say they are. I think you just don't want to be wrong.

 

[sidewayzinCA]

during the last few years southern california and the southwest has had a huge influx of people wanting to race in either sanctioned or unsanctioned events...the police try and keep up but they arent doing a good job. the SDPD has a team of people titled dragnet which is about 30 officers that only deal with street racing. they have taken 2 of my friends cars and all i can tell you is that a good 90% of the illegal **** that we do after a strandard car meet. 50-60 cars. in a parking lot then 10-15 go out and drift through commerical parks or we close off sections of street to use certain corners. we've never been caught and we've been doing that for 2 years. the police will need to step it up if they want to have any chance of stopping illegal activity or at kleast making people think twice about it.

 

[gt_masta]

Because they didn't catch you doesn't mean they aren't doing a good job. Like you said, they caught 2 of your friends, they lost their car. You're gonna get caught sooner or later. If I were you I'd go to my local track to drift, and I could drift with no danger of getting caught by the cops. But you seem to think drifting on the street is better because some formula D drifter did that, then go ahead, there's nothing I can do to stop you.

 

[Dave A]

k manchester, come to america, the police cant regulate **** and a surprising number of stars have a background in racing that started when they got a drivers liscense

Funny, the biggest stars of motorsport ALL started racing BEFORE they got their drivers license, if you start at 17-18 years old, by the time you get noticed you can be in your last years of running at your best for the more physically demanding series like IRL and F1, and I can tell you now, a 30 year old who history in racing is on the street will NEVER get a position as a driver in a major GT or touring car series.

 

[sidewayzinCA]

you dont learn to drive race cars driving go carts, you learn to drive cars drving cars, you start driving cars around 15. you learn to drive race cars after you understand how a normal ar works which by the way is nothing like a go cart. the only cars that handle similar to go carts are F1 and even then they are still vastly different. until you are in the car you are racing your not building your performance you are only improving your understanding of the theories of racing and what you can do to make a vehicle in general act the way you want it to. the power and handling chracteristics of a larger car either drift, American Le Mans, or general SCCA racing, cant be achieved in karting.

 

[Dave A]

No mate, I didn't say go-karts did I. You get kids tacing in T-Cars for example, proper race cars, go-karts are only one form, they're the route people usually take into single seater forumal cars like Formula Palmers and hopefully Formula 1. T-Cars is only another form of entry motorsprt and it can take you into touring cars and GT racing and theres 13 years old race in that. You don't get into an ALMS racer by driving your Subaru fast on the street.

 

[McLaren]

you dont learn to drive race cars driving go carts, you learn to drive cars drving cars, you start driving cars around 15. you learn to drive race cars after you understand how a normal ar works which by the way is nothing like a go cart. the only cars that handle similar to go carts are F1 and even then they are still vastly different. until you are in the car you are racing your not building your performance you are only improving your understanding of the theories of racing and what you can do to make a vehicle in general act the way you want it to. the power and handling chracteristics of a larger car either drift, American Le Mans, or general SCCA racing, cant be achieved in karting.

Obviously, this fool is mixing up those little protected go-karts with the real deal.

Hmm...if you can't learn to drive a real race car by driving go-karts, how the hell do you think Micheal Schumacher got to where he is today?

He sure as hell wasn't racing his little Civic on the streets. He learned by winning races through go-karts.

It is PROVEN most professional race drivers started their careers in some sort of kart racing.

There's more to racing than power, and that's what kart teaches you. Kart teaches you the basic concept of racing.
When to brake, when to pass, how to endure the strain of 2 hour races. Beginners in cars just don't make it all the way because they've either killed themselves or have cars not able to pull the manuevers they want.
In karting, most of the karts are equal in all aspects making it an easy way to learn.

I'm also laughing at your comment on the SCCA. Buddy, I've driven in the SCCA. The SCCA is there to help drivers race better, not for street racers to race legally.
Do you even have any clue how the SCCA works?
And 95% of the ALMS and ELMS racers all started their days in karts or the SCCA.

BTW, street racing today is nothing but going from Point A to Point B on a straight road. Why? Probably because these little turds wouldn't have a d*mn clue as to when to brake from a certain speed, and they sure as hell can't judge a corner's difficulty.

 

[Dave A]

Well said, theres loads of beginner racing categories that people start off with, Karts are THE biggest one, like I said though, you get T-Cars, you even get rally trainers to get people used to rallying at an early age. Street racing doesn't come into when were talking about the top flight racers.

 

[sidewayzinCA]

street racing is not drag racing...street racing can be touge it can be drift and it can be street racing. by definition street racing is a speed competition on a public road. AKA not a race track. if you dont think that kids get in there cars and go out to the mountains everyweekend to race and go up and down the hills a few times a week you are wrong. if parents support there kids with all the money to comepete every weekend than good for them but i know that there are more race drivers in the world that considered a career in racing after they had a license.

this thread was supposed to be about a game, that had an approach that was realistic, i dont care how stupid you are you can understand the concept of "boys with toys" kids are competitive unless your an outcast in which all you want to do is play WoW or go to the library. it doesnt matter how illegal it is, people street race. go ask cart racers if they ever were into the local car scene in there area if they say no then they are either not a popular driver or there parents are freaks who bread them for racing.

 

[Dave A]

No ones disputing that people go out and street race every weekend or that some people that street race go into motorsports, but none of the top started street racing, they started karting or in junior motorsports. Starting at the age of 18 is probably too late, you wanted people opinions of the game, I gave you mine and then you carried the topic off. No-one else.

 

[McLaren]

street racing is not drag racing...street racing can be touge it can be drift and it can be street racing. by definition street racing is a speed competition on a public road. AKA not a race track. if you dont think that kids get in there cars and go out to the mountains everyweekend to race and go up and down the hills a few times a week you are wrong. if parents support there kids with all the money to comepete every weekend than good for them but i know that there are more race drivers in the world that considered a career in racing after they had a license.

this thread was supposed to be about a game, that had an approach that was realistic, i dont care how stupid you are you can understand the concept of "boys with toys" kids are competitive unless your an outcast in which all you want to do is play WoW or go to the library. it doesnt matter how illegal it is, people street race. go ask cart racers if they ever were into the local car scene in there area if they say no then they are either not a popular driver or there parents are freaks who bread them for racing.

Uh, wrong.
Street Racing is practically everything about Drag Racing.
I'm laughing at the fact you're trying to tell me all the teens go the "mountains" and touge.
ROFL...if that was true, where's the death reports on them cause I know for a fact 97% of the street racers today wouldn't have a d*mn clue on how to touge or drift.
And you're about as full of crap on the whole "we block off streets."
What the hell? You been watching F&F too much?

Yeah, its a competition on the streets...involving taking the lives of those who want nothing to do with it.
And because its a competition on the Streets, street racers go in straight line.

Well, let's compare.
F1 drivers, the drivers who take so much precaution.
How many of them decided..."Hey! I got my license...Think I'll race!"

None.
Most European drivers started in racing programs long before their license.

You don't have a freaking clue about Street Racing. You've obviously watched too many d*mn Formula D episodes thinking its all touge and drift.

 

[sidewayzinCA]

your a ****ing idiot i can name a bunch of roads that are used by people everyweekend and are famous for there windy switchbacks and neccesity of driver skill. stop being so naive and thinking that F&F was made upand that people dont drive aggresively outside of a race track, it is based on real **** all the flare and faggetry is added to make the movie interesting to production companies. your telling me the free ferraris that those drivers get never go above the speed limit....haha i cant believe how much you look up to these guys as being professionals and so honorbale because they have never broken the law.

GMR glendora mountain road,
highland valley road in san diego,
palomar mountain road is used a lot and this is just to name a few, not to mention
highway 1 through big sur.

DOES ANYONE ON HERE EVEN LIVE IN THE US. or A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE ARE INTO CARS.

 

[Driftster]

all I know is sandiego is filled with faries and rich people who don't appreciate anything..