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Edit: Recommended background reading:

(beginning a list of basic essential reading in alphabetical order by author)

UAPwiki, https://uapwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page



UFOs and Nukes, by Robert Hastings

Flying Saucers, A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Sky
, by Carl Jung

5 Arguments Against the Extraterrestrial Theory, pdf by Jacques Vallée
https://web.archive.org/web/20160303233102/http://www.jacquesvallee.net/bookdocs/arguments.pdf

Passport to Magonia, by Jacques Vallée

Dimensions, by Jacques Vallée


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The below is from Scientific American, a respected US publication.

‘Unidentified Aerial Phenomena,’ Better Known as UFOs, Deserve Scientific Investigation

UAP are a scientifically interesting problem. Interdisciplinary teams of scientists should study them

UFOs have been back in the news because of videos initially leaked, and later confirmed, by the U.S. Navy and officially released by Pentagon that purportedly show "unidentified aerial phenomena" (UAP) in our skies. Speculations about their nature have run the gamut from mundane objects like birds or balloons to visitors from outer space.

It’s difficult, if not impossible, to say what these actually are, however, without context. What happened before and after these video snippets? Were there any simultaneous observations from other instruments, or sightings by pilots?

Judging the nature of these objects (and these seem to be “objects,” as confirmed by the Navy) needs a coherent explanation that should accommodate and connect all the facts of the events. And this is where interdisciplinary scientific investigation is needed.
The proposal to scientifically study UAP phenomena is not new. The problem of understanding such unexplained UAP cases drew interest by scientists during the 1960s, which resulted in the U.S. Air Force funding a group at the University of Colorado, headed by physicist Edward Condon, to study UAP from 1966 to 1968. The resulting Condon Report concluded that further study of UAP was unlikely to be scientifically interesting—a conclusion that drew mixed reactions from scientists and the public.

Concerns over the inadequacy of the methods used by the Condon Report culminated with a congressional hearing in 1968 as well as a debatesponsored by the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) in 1969 with participation by scholars such as Carl Sagan, J. Allen Hynek, James McDonald, Robert Hall and Robert Baker. Hynek was an astronomy professor at the Ohio State University and led the Project Blue Book investigation, while McDonald, who was a well-known meteorologist and a member of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) and AAAS, performed a thorough investigation of UAP phenomena. Sagan, a professor of astronomy at Cornell University, was one of the organizers of the AAAS debate. He dismissed the extraterrestrial hypothesis as unlikely but still considered the UAP subject worthy of scientific inquiry.
Recent UAP sightings, however, have so far failed to generate similar interest among the scientific community. Part of the reason could be the apparent taboo around UAP phenomena, connecting it to the paranormal or pseudoscience, while ignoring the history behind it. Sagan even wrote in the afterword of the 1969 debate proceedings about the “strong opposition” by other scientists who were “convinced that AAAS sponsorship would somehow lend credence to ‘unscientific’ ideas.” As scientists we must simply let scientific curiosity be the spearhead of understanding such phenomena. We should be cautious of outright dismissal by assuming that every UAP phenomena must be explainable.

Why should astronomers, meteorologists, or planetary scientists care about these events? Shouldn’t we just let image analysts, or radar observation experts, handle the problem? All good questions, and rightly so. Why should we care? Because we are scientists. Curiosity is the reason we became scientists. In the current interdisciplinary collaborative environment, if someone (especially a fellow scientist) approaches us with an unsolved problem beyond our area of expertise, we usually do our best to actually contact other experts within our professional network to try and get some outside perspective. The best-case outcome is that we work on a paper or a proposal with our colleague from another discipline; the worst case is that we learn something new from a colleague in another discipline. Either way, curiosity helps us to learn more and become scientists with broader perspectives.

So, what should be the approach? If a scientific explanation is desired, one needs an interdisciplinary approach to address the combined observational characteristics of UAP, rather than isolating one aspect of the event. Furthermore, UAP phenomena are not U.S.-specific events. They are a worldwide occurrence. Several other countries studied them. So shouldn’t we as scientists choose to investigate and curb the speculation around them?
A systematic investigation is essential in order to bring the phenomena into mainstream science. First, collection of hard data is paramount to establishing any credibility to the explanation of the phenomena. A rigorous scientific analysis is sorely needed, by multiple independent study groups, just as we do for evaluating other scientific discoveries. We, as scientists, cannot hastily dismiss any phenomenon without in-depth examination and then conclude the event itself is unscientific.

Such an approach would certainly not pass the “smell test” in our day-to-day science duties, so these kinds of arguments similarly should not suffice to explain UAP. We must insist on strict agnosticism. We suggest an approach that is purely rational: UAP represent observations that are puzzling and waiting to be explained. Just like any other science discovery.

The transient nature of UAP events, and hence the unpredictability about when and where the next event will happen, is likely one of the main reasons why UAP have not been taken seriously in science circles. But, how can one identify a pattern without systematically collecting the data in the first place? In astronomy, the observations (location and timing) of gamma-ray bursts (GRBs), supernovae and gravitational waves are similarly unpredictable. However, we now recognize them as natural phenomena arising from stellar evolution.
How did we develop detailed and complex mathematical models that could explain these natural phenomena? By a concerted effort from scientists around the world, who meticulously collected data from each occurrence of the event and systematically observed them. We still cannot predict when and where such astronomical events will occur in the sky.

But we understand to an extent the nature of GRBs, supernovae and gravitational waves. How? Because we have not dismissed the phenomena or the people who observed them. We studied them. Astronomers have tools, so they can share the data they collected, even if some question their claim. Similarly, we need tools to observe UAP; radar, thermal, and visual observations will be immensely helpful. We must repeat here that this is a global phenomenon. Perhaps some, or even most, UAP events are simply classified military aircraft, or strange weather formations, or other misidentified mundane phenomena. However, there are still a number of truly puzzling cases that might be worth investigating.
Of course, not all scientists need to make UAP investigation a part of their research portfolio. For those who do, discarding the taboo surrounding this phenomenon would help in developing interdisciplinary teams of motivated individuals who can begin genuine scientific inquiry.

A template to perform a thorough scientific investigation can be found in James McDonald’s paper “Science in Default.” While he entertains the conclusion that these events could be extraterrestrials (which we do not subscribe to), McDonald’s methodology itself is a great example of objective scientific analysis. And this is exactly what we as scientists can do to study these events.

As Sagan concluded at the 1969 debate, “scientists are particularly bound to have open minds; this is the lifeblood of science.” We do not know what UAP are, and this is precisely the reason that we as scientists should study them.

The views and opinions expressed in this article are those of the authors and are not necessarily those of NASA or their employers

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...own-as-ufos-deserve-scientific-investigation/





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Amazing cover painted by the great science-fiction artist Frank R. Paul for the pulp magazine Science Wonder Stories, showing a huge mechanical disk drifting through space with the Woolworth Building in tow.


Frank R. Paul’s cover for the November 1929 “Science Wonder Stories,” via Wikimedia Commons.



Anonymous cover art of non-fiction book authored by a military officer.


Donald Keyhoe, “The Flying Saucers Are Real” (Fawcett Publications, 1950).
 
Ah, so that's what happened to Woolworths. At one time they had a store in pretty much every medium or larger town in America. I was wondering where they went.
 
Ah, so that's what happened to Woolworths. At one time they had a store in pretty much every medium or larger town in America. I was wondering where they went.
Thanks for your post. The Woolworth Building, currently a National Historic Landmark, was the tallest building in the world at the time of the artwork. It could be questioned what role such imagery made in the public perception, creation of memes, popular culture, etc.
 
The classified drone test hypothesis seems to be diminished, if the details following are to be accepted.

U.S. Navy Releases Dates of Three Officially Acknowledged Encounters with “Phenomena”

11 September, 2019 / in UFO Phenomena


By John Greenewald, Jr. – The Black Vault – Originally Published September 11, 2019

Today, the U.S. Navy released the dates of three officially acknowledged encounters with what they call “phenomena.” In multiple statements received exclusively by The Black Vault, the Navy excited those interested in UFOs by officially admittingthat the videos referred to as the ”FLIR1,” “Gimble” and “GoFast” were, in fact, “Unidentified Aerial Phenomena” or UAPs. Now, the Navy has offered up brief, but additional details about the cases, some of which, were previously unknown.


Screen grab from the “GoFast” video on To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science (TTSA) website. Image Credit: TTSA

The three videos referenced were originally released by the New York Times and To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science (TTSA) beginning in December of 2017. Two of the three videos, “FLIR1” and “Gimble,” were released first. Later in March of 2018, the “GoFast” video was revealed on TTSA’s website but offered limited details.

Most will recognize the phrasing, “Unidentified Flying Object” or UFO, much more easily than UAP. However, the U.S. Navy has seemingly adopted the latter in recent years. According to Joseph Gradisher, official spokesperson for the Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Information Warfare, “the ‘Unidentified Aerial Phenomena’ terminology is used because it provides the basic descriptor for the sightings/observations of unauthorized/unidentified aircraft/objects that have been observed entering/operating in the airspace of various military-controlled training ranges.”

When asked what the three videos represented, Gradisher stated to The Black Vault, “The Navy has not publicly released characterizations or descriptions, nor released any hypothesis or conclusions, in regard to the objects contained in the referenced videos.”

Although the Navy will not go on the record about any conclusion they have drawn, Gradisher did offer a glimpse into how they characterize the videos by adding, “The Navy considers the phenomena contained/depicted in those 3 videos as unidentified” (emphasis added).

It was also revealed that “FLIR1,” “Gimble” and “GoFast” are not the official names used by the U.S. military to reference these videos. “The Navy’s official identifiers for the referenced videos do not match the names referenced (FLIR1, Gimble and GoFast)… the Navy identifies these videos by the respective dates of the observations/sightings,” said Gradisher.

The Navy did not offer the exact designation numbers for the videos, but did reveal the dates for all three incidents. “[The] dates are 14 November 2004 for ‘FLIR1’ and 21 January 2015 for both ‘Gimble’ and ‘GoFast.’”

The “FLIR1” video was taken during what is known as the “Tic-Tac Incident” which occurred off the coast of San Diego, and the date for this encounter has been known for some time. However, the dates for the “Gimble” and “GoFast” videos, were not. According to TTSA’s website, “the date, location, and other information have been removed by the originating authority as part of the release approval process.” This phrasing is used verbatim on both the “Gimble” and “GoFast” pages.

With this new revelation from the Navy, it now shows the “Gimble” and “GoFast” cases occurred on the same day and quite possibly, are two aspects of the same event. The idea has been floated by some researchers that the videos were related, due to critical analysis of the on-screen displays, and the fact that the voices within the videos sound similar, but the fact was not officially confirmed, until now.

The Navy was asked for more specifics, such as details about the location the videos were shot in, but the response to that line of questioning was brief. “We will not be providing any details on individual reports,” responded Gradisher. And that is where the information stopped flowing on the three videos.

The news comes as a surprise to many, and aides in research currently underway on these UAP cases. Although the Navy won’t comment on the specifics about the “Gimble” and “GoFast” location; one researcher feels he’s figured it out.


The Nimitz Encounters movie poster. Image Credit: Dave Beaty

According to filmmaker Dave Beaty, who re-released the “Nimitz Encounters” movie about the “Tic-Tac Incident” earlier this year, another piece of the puzzle has emerged with these recent statements. “The fact that we now know the dates of the ‘Gimbal’ and ‘GoFast’ videos helps put one more piece of the puzzle together,” says Beaty. “The deck logs from the USS Normandy, the cruiser in the USS Roosevelt Strike Group, shows she was in a specific location off the coast of Florida and Georgia. Specifically, a little more than 100 miles east, equidistant between Jacksonville and Savannah. This is the JAX OPAREA. The cruiser stays with the carrier at all times during operations. So now we not only know the date, but the estimated position of the UAP.”


Although many theories have been proposed on what these UAP encounters are, some believe they may simply be a biproduct of U.S. military training exercises utilizing classified drone or related technology. Unbeknownst to the pilots involved, these classified instruments are utilized in their field of view, captured on infrared cameras, and certain members of the military may not be ‘read in’ to what classified technology they may be witnessing. Although that seems like a plausible explanation for these encounters, these new statements by the Navy labeling the cases as “unidentified aerial phenomena” are making some second guess that theory.

“I would find it hard to believe that another branch, such as the USAF, would conduct secret tests without letting the Navy know,” said Beaty. “It’s not beyond the realm of possibility, if secrecy is paramount, but I think it would break a few safety protocols. I’ve speculated that these are the newest advanced drones we have, but now, I’m reconsidering that once again.”

The hunt for the truth… continues.

https://www.theblackvault.com/docum...ially-acknowledged-encounters-with-phenomena/
 
A video, part of a submission to the Supreme Court of India which is now under consideration.


https://silvarecord.com/2019/09/13/ttsa-ufos-india-pakistan-nuclear-war/


The following article was published by Popular Mechanics, widely considered to be well-connected and reliable in reporting of intelligence and military news. Cilck link for the full set of videos.

The Navy Says Those UFO Videos Are Real

And they were never meant to be released to the public.

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By Kyle Mizokami
Sep 16, 2019

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YOUTUBE
  • The U.S. Navy says three videos showing reported encounters between Navy aircraft and UFOs are real.
  • But a Navy spokesperson says the clips show “unexplained aerial phenomena,” which is not to say that they’re piloted by aliens.
  • While the videos are unclassified, the Navy says they were never cleared for release.
The U.S. Navy has confirmed that three online videos purportedly showing UFOs are genuine. The service says the videos, taken by Navy pilots, show “unexplained aerial phenomena,” but also states that the clips should have never been released to the public in the first place.

The three videos in question are titled "FLIR1," "Gimbal," and "GoFast." They show two separate encounters between Navy aircraft and UFOs.

One video was taken in 2015 off the East Coast by a F/A-185F fighter jet using the aircraft's onboard Raytheon AN/ASQ-228 Advanced Targeting Forward-Looking Infrared (ATFLIR) Pod. The other clip, also recorded with a Super Hornet ATFLIR pod, was taken off the coast of California in 2004 by pilots flying from the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz. In the videos, air crews loudly debate what the objects are and where they came from.

The videos were released for public viewing by The New York Times and To The Stars Academy of Arts & Sciences, a UFO research group from former Blink-182 member Tom DeLonge.

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In each case, the objects in the videos undertook aerial maneuvers that aren't possible with current aviation technology. In the 2004 incident, according to The New York Times, the objects "appeared suddenly at 80,000 feet, and then hurtled toward the sea, eventually stopping at 20,000 feet and hovering. Then they either dropped out of radar range or shot straight back up."

Joseph Gradisher, official spokesperson for the Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Information Warfare, told The Black Vault, an online repository of secret and otherwise classified documents, that the Navy "designates the objects contained in these videos as unidentified aerial phenomena."


That terminology is important. "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena" provides "the basic descriptor for the sightings/observations of unauthorized/unidentified aircraft/objects that have been observed entering/operating in the airspace of various military-controlled training ranges," Gradisher told The Black Vault.

In other words, the Pentagon says the aerial objects in the videos are simply unidentified, and for now, unexplained. The Navy is pointedly not saying the objects are flying saucers or otherwise controlled by aliens.

Earlier this year, the Department of Defense told The Black Vault that the videos were unclassified, but never cleared for public release, and that there had been no review process within the Pentagon for releasing them.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a29073804/navy-ufo-videos-real/?utm_source=reddit.com
 
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A secret too terrible to be told? Oh, Let me guess. Lord Kinbote? :mischievous:



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That footage could be easily replicated by a mostly-stationary balloon floating a few hundred feet above the ocean. It appears moving against the background because its at a different elevation. Once you see it, you can't unsee it.
 
That footage could be easily replicated by a mostly-stationary balloon floating a few hundred feet above the ocean. It appears moving against the background because its at a different elevation. Once you see it, you can't unsee it.
Good!
Someone here is suggesting that maybe the 3 US Navy videos, "FLIR1," "Gimbal," and "GoFast", are showing only slow moving balloons, and are basically a case of mistaken identity. I think that is the most simple, elegant, useful and even beautiful possible explanation - if it could account for all the known facts. Instant acceleration to Mach 5 and beyond are claimed (but not publicly proved). So I think you've found a reasonable place to begin.

My favorite all-time favorite UFO explanation is "street lamps reflecting off a duck's bottom", which is how for years the USAF explained the Lubbock Lights events of 1951. Later they simply said they were unexplained.

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Another very intriguing explanation is the hoax theory, the idea that the US Navy videos are a deliberate deception with the intention to affect public perception and/or outwit potential adversaries.

Or, and I do like this one, somebody else could be perpetrating a hoax upon the Navy.




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Someone here is suggesting that maybe the 3 US Navy videos, "FLIR1," "Gimbal," and "GoFast", are showing only slow moving balloons, and are basically a case of mistaken identity. I think that is the most simple, elegant, useful and even beautiful possible explanation - if it could account for all the known facts. Instant acceleration to Mach 5 and beyond are claimed (but not publicly proved). So I think you've found a reasonable place to begin.

My favorite all-time favorite UFO explanation is "street lamps reflecting off a duck's bottom", which is how for years the USAF explained the Lubbock Lights events of 1951. Later they simply said they were unexplained.

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Another very intriguing explanation is the hoax theory, the idea that the US Navy videos are a deliberate deception with the intention to affect public perception and/or outwit potential adversaries.

Or, and I do like this one, somebody else could be perpetrating a hoax upon the Navy.




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Kindly point me to evidence of the "instant Mach-5" claim. Until I see something substantial, the overwhelming video evidence points to a stationary object (likely a balloon) floating a few hundred feet above the Ocean. Speculating a bit, it even sounds like the pilots in the recording know what it is and are just hamming it up over the radio for fun. It honestly could even be a tracking systems test which would explain the Navy's reticence to talk about it....

The pictures in your post: I can't explain it - I can't even tell what I'm looking at. Is that even the sky? I've taken some blurry ass photos too. But to jump from that to Aliens...or even an object (I'd say there is a 99% chance it's a camera artifact of some kind) is a lot.
 
im not convinced simply because to travel at or near lightspeed is required . so unless a way of manipulating space-time was invented somewhere , objects with mass cannot go at lightspeed or near it .
 
So the US government essentially confirms the existence of UFOs two days before the Area 51 raid. I feel like this is some elaborate plot to rid the US of Kyles.
 
Kindly point me to evidence of the "instant Mach-5" claim.

The hypersonic (Mach 5 or above) claim is made in most if not all of the reports on the 2004 Nimitz and 2015-2016 Theodore Roosevelt carrier UAP encounters issued by the New York Times, Washington Post, Space.com, even Michio Kaku. Numerous retired and actively serving of the witnessing F-18 pilots have made the claim in writing and/or in on-air, for-the-record interviews. The commanding non-com officer on the USS Princeton CIC, in charge of the most advanced radar of the day, made the claim, on-air and for the record. The US Navy has not denied any of this, but has officially stated all this is real and actually happened, even if unidentified and unexplained. The President and some US Senators have been briefed. The articles and video interviews are available online, in print and right here in this thread and in the Aliens thread, if you care to search. If you don't care to search, then if you wish, I will again find and reprint here one or more of them for you. :)
 
Possibly interesting video of Iranian Revolutionary Guards firing at unknown object, - maybe a US drone?

 
Kindly point me to evidence of the "instant Mach-5" claim.
For your consideration, a peer reviewed article.




Estimating Flight Characteristics of Anomalous Unidentified Aerial Vehicles

by Kevin H. Knuth 1,2,*, Robert M. Powell 2 and Peter A. Reali 2


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Department of Physics, University at Albany (SUNY), Albany, NY 12222, USA
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Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies (SCU), Fort Myers, FL 33913, USA
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Author to whom correspondence should be addressed.
Entropy 2019, 21(10), 939; https://doi.org/10.3390/e21100939
Received: 21 August 2019 / Revised: 17 September 2019 / Accepted: 21 September 2019 / Published: 25 September 2019
(This article belongs to the Special Issue MaxEnt 2019—The 39th International Workshop on Bayesian Inference and Maximum Entropy Methods in Science and Engineering)


Abstract
Several Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) encountered by military, commercial, and civilian aircraft have been reported to be structured craft that exhibit `impossible’ flight characteristics. We consider a handful of well-documented encounters, including the 2004 encounters with the Nimitz Carrier Group off the coast of California, and estimate lower bounds on the accelerations exhibited by the craft during the observed maneuvers. Estimated accelerations range from almost 100g" role="presentation" style="box-sizing: border-box; max-height: none; display: inline; line-height: normal; word-spacing: normal; word-wrap: normal; white-space: nowrap; float: none; direction: ltr; max-width: none; min-width: 0px; min-height: 0px; border: 0px; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; position: relative;">100g to 1000s of gs with no observed air disturbance, no sonic booms, and no evidence of excessive heat commensurate with even the minimal estimated energies. In accordance with observations, the estimated parameters describing the behavior of these craft are both anomalous and surprising. The extreme estimated flight characteristics reveal that these observations are either fabricated or seriously in error, or that these craft exhibit technology far more advanced than any known craft on Earth. In many cases, the number and quality of witnesses, the variety of roles they played in the encounters, and the equipment used to track and record the craft favor the latter hypothesis that these are indeed technologically advanced craft. The observed flight characteristics of these craft are consistent with the flight characteristics required for interstellar travel, i.e., if these observed accelerations were sustainable in space, then these craft could easily reach relativistic speeds within a matter of minutes to hours and cover interstellar distances in a matter of days to weeks, proper time.
Keywords: UAP; UAV; UFO; Nimitz; Tic-Tac
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https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/21/10/939
 
...100g to 1000s of gs with no observed air disturbance, no sonic booms, and no evidence of excessive heat commensurate with even the minimal estimated energies. In accordance with observations, the estimated parameters describing the behavior of these craft are both anomalous and surprising.

Unless they're objects without mass. I can make the dot of a laser pointer accelerate at ludicrous speeds, but that's not considered anomalous or surprising. It also produces no air disturbance, sonic booms, or excessive heat.
 
Unless they're objects without mass. I can make the dot of a laser pointer accelerate at ludicrous speeds, but that's not considered anomalous or surprising. It also produces no air disturbance, sonic booms, or excessive heat.
Thanks for your post!

The field propulsion technology that in well-known EM theory provides such acceleration and speeds - as well as providing shielding from radiation - for crewed multi-medium (underwater, air and space) vehicles has been known in principle since at least 1970. Recently declassified documents are linked here: https://www.theblackvault.com/docum...-1970-study-on-major-propulsion-developments/

According to recent for-the-record statements by retired and active duty Navy F-18 pilots, radar operators and now the official spokesman for Information Warfare at the US Navy, the phenomena reported with regards to the USS Nimitz and the USS Theodore Roosevelt is real but at present cannot be fully explained to the public.

There is a residual possibility that this phenomena can be explained by Earthly technology, either foreign or US.

Peer reviewed science tells us the UAPs exhibit "speeds within a matter of minutes to hours and cover interstellar distances in a matter of days"

 
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A USO short story from Commander David Fravor...

It came up from below and swallowed the torpedo which the Navy helo was trying to recover!

 
For your consideration, a peer reviewed article.

Which points out that observations are either false, seriously in error or exhibit accelarative properties of 100s to 1000s of g. There's no mention of instantaneous 0-M5 properties. In summary the paper tells us what we already know: the primary and secondary observers are incorrect in what they believe they see or they see objects with properties that defy everything we know about physics. It's an interesting read though.
 
Which points out that observations are either false, seriously in error or exhibit accelarative properties of 100s to 1000s of g. There's no mention of instantaneous 0-M5 properties. In summary the paper tells us what we already know: the primary and secondary observers are incorrect in what they believe they see or they see objects with properties that defy everything we know about physics. It's an interesting read though.
Yeah, you're right, "instantaneous" is incorrect. It would be better to have said, as Cmdr. Fravor did, zero to over the horizon in under 2 seconds.

And if you've been paying attention, we can envision field propulsion which can in theory emulate the observed objects without defying known physics. Perhaps the engineering side is beyond our ability at this time, though. But maybe not. Because if it is not human technology, what are we dealing with?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_gravity_control_propulsion_research

To recap, the Navy says the videos are authentic but should not have been released, the objects are real phenomena but of unknown origin, and they will not be releasing any more information on this classified subject. Thanks for your post.


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A witness aboard the Princeton to the Nimitz events speaks out. The ship went to battle stations for a real world event interrupting a training exercise. He viewed the video in the ship's combat control center in much higher clarity. He describes virtually instant acceleration to out of sight range. He saw "legs" on the bottom of the object. He speculates the objects could have been "ultra military equipment that was used against us to see how we were going to react".

 
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Another Navy fighter pilot comes out with paradigm-busting assertions. At least one of them is incorrect.


September 26, 2019 - Former Navy Pilot Brian 'Sunshine' Sinclair, San Diego Kusi TV show with Host Paul Ruddy



Just look at at Anderson Cooper's upper lip as he announces this report.



A good overall recap.
 
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2013 Aguadilla, Puerto Rico UAP incident - object travels through air, water, splits in two

Or so we're told. We have no statement from them other than a set of tertiary statements purporting to definitely be true.

Linear tracking which doesn't provide a distance-to-target figure (I'll come back to that)

I'm willing to bet that with some effort you could make this video in Arma and then reprocess it to be of this appearance/quality. I'm suspicious of the poor quality of the video, actually, given that we're told it's from an MX-15 pod. If it is from the purported source then I would share your presumptions re- calibration and certification. I'm suspicious about that though, equally suspicious about the artefacting that I mentioned (which I'll also come back to)..

Hell of a radar system picking up an object at that low altitude. Except your link says they only got an initial signal from the object, no track. The radar track released under FOI covers the movement of the aircraft carrying the MX-15.

Your own link has at least one "UFO expert" who agrees with the balloon/bag theory. He echoes my own feelings actually; the object is closer to the lens than it appears at times... meaning that the site's speed calcs are to high by a large margin. He also agrees with my own view that when the object "vanishes" behind or under things that's actually a technical product of the video rather than an accurate visual representation.

Certainly this video raises a number of questions;

- If it was leaked by a well-meaning whistleblower then why render it such poor quality when the original feeds are multi-channel HD?
- Why do we only have the IR feed when the EOW feed would be far more illustrative (particularly if the object was indeed glowing)?
- Why were none of the object speed tracking or geography tools enabled?

It seems convenient to me that the video is of too poor a quality to actually allow proper speed inferences to be drawn, I'm suspicious that the HUD artefacting doesn't appear original (it's like the video was processed a number of times at different stages)... it all smacks to me of a very, very good 21st Century hoax.

The HUD is an accurate representation though, maybe the producers were just too clever to fall down on that detail.

EDIT: From your own link; more dissonance on the trig and another the possible type for the object. Also another interesting question; if this was the subject of an aerial alert (as it must have been, a drone over an airbase/airport) then why does the released radar track show that the surveillance aircraft stood down to the south?

You think my "cognitive dissonance" prevents me from believing; perhaps so... but I want to believe, as the saying goes. I don't believe this time though.

In 2015 you had some understandable doubts and pertinent questions about the 2013 Aguadilla, Puerto Rico UAP incident. After some time passes, a detailed analysis is provided for your consideration. The pdf is 159 pages long, so for now I will not be quoting anything from it.
http://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/299316_9a12b53f67554a008c32d48eff9be5cd.pdf

 
With regard to Anderson Cooper's upper lip, it's all about the dog that didn't bark - the old Sherlock Holmes mystery.

His lip does not sneer, does not curl, does not grin, does not giggle, does not laugh or mock. It remains perfectly sober and serious, almost somber.

The sad fact is, the US Navy, the mainstream media including NYT and WaPo, and now even the venerable Popular Mechanics have all disclosed that UAP phenomena are real and remain unexplained. Some of these (WaPo or Politico?) have called for us to "just get used to it", the unexplained phenomena.

I sometimes think it may actually be for the best to deny, ignore and mock to the limit of our abilities, but currently government and media seem to have other ideas. Indications are that very shortly there will be major new disclosures coming from the US government. These are said to be at least in part peer-reviewed analyses of "meta-materials" obtained from the phenomena. In the pipeline to be disclosed are affects of the phenomena on humans.
 
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An upper lip that does absolutely nothing remarkable is the only remarkable thing about the clip. Jiminy jillickers.
 
An upper lip that does absolutely nothing remarkable is the only remarkable thing about the clip. Jiminy jillickers.
Yes. Formerly, almost all media reporting on the phenomena has been done in jest, with grins, giggles and talk of little green men and aliens.
Now the grins and giggles are disappearing, and there is no talk of aliens. A paradigm shift is taking place. But, in CIA parlance, it is a "limited hangout". Major areas of the topic remain under the highest levels of classification, and will stay that way.
 
Yes. Formerly, almost all media reporting on the phenomena has been done in jest, with grins, giggles and talk of little green men and aliens.
Now the grins and giggles are disappearing, and there is no talk of aliens. A paradigm shift is taking place.
Sounds like bunkum to me; the littlest things contorted into something that seems significant. Like this:

But, in CIA parlance, it is a "limited hangout". Major areas of the topic remain under the highest levels of classification, and will stay that way.
Things not being discussed because there's nothing to discuss is obvious and boring, but shadowy figures having mandated things not be discussed is much more significant. This is one of the manners by which conspiracy theorists operate.
 
Sounds like bunkum to me; the littlest things contorted into something that seems significant. Like this:


Things not being discussed because there's nothing to discuss is obvious and boring, but shadowy figures having mandated things not be discussed is much more significant. This is one of the manners by which conspiracy theorists operate.
Private contractors like Robert Bigelow (TTSA, NIDS) who handle classified projects for the government are exempt from FOIA requests.
 
Private contractors like Robert Bigelow (TTSA, NIDS) who handle classified projects for the government are exempt from FOIA requests.
Cool?

So if I suggest that Budget Suites of America hotels serve a dual purpose as government reprogramming facilities, he or a representative of his may respond with a "can neither confirm nor deny"; or I suppose they wouldn't respond at all, which definitely means I'm right and they're covering it up.

Of course I'm not suggesting that, but if I were to, I'd hope you would take note of any changes in my behavior beginning shortly thereafter.
 
If you were to submit a FOIA request to the government regarding events, materials - anything - that had been contracted to Bigelow Aerospace or BAASS, that request would not be acted upon. But do the American people, or Congress, have a right to know? A tiny handful of Senators have received classified briefing on...something. Congress is being urged to investigate the matter on a deeper and wider basis. But so far, nothing doing.

FYI...
BAASS - "the human body as a readout system"

KLAS-TV report

On 4 May 2018, as part of a Las Vegas KLAS-TV news report, by George Knapp and Matt Adams, on "a treasure trove" of Pentagon documents relating to the Defense Intelligence Agency's (DIA) Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP,) the piece included the following:

"The agreement with DIA did not mention UFOs at all. It used more generic terms such a future threats and breakthrough technologies and specified 12 focal points including lift, propulsion, materials, versions of stealth as well as human interface and human effects, meaning Bigelow's team would study people who reported unusual experiences beyond seeing UFOs."





The successful company who were granted the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) AAWSAP contract was Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS) of Las Vegas.

There was a hyper link in the online story to a "Statement from a Senior Manager of BAASS." In full the statement read:

"Statement from a Senior Manager of BAASS
By Caroline Bleakley
Updated May 04, 2018 05:28PM PDT

LAS VEGAS - BAASS broke new ground in professionalism by hiring, training and deploying 50 full-time staff comprising retired military intelligence and law enforcement officers, PhD level scientists, engineers, technicians, analysts, translators, and project managers to create the largest multi-disciplinary full-time team in history to investigate the UFO topic.

The investigation by BAASS provided new lines of evidence showing that the UFO phenomenon was a lot more then nuts and bolts machines that interacted with military aircraft. The phenomenon also involved a whole panoply of diverse activity that included bizarre creatures, poltergeist activity, invisible entities, orbs of light, animal and human injuries and more. The exclusive focus on nuts and bolts machines could be considered myopic and unproductive in solving the larger mystery of UFOs.

One of the major successes of BAASS was in adopting the novel approach of utilizing the human body as a readout system for dissecting interactions with the UFO phenomenon. This novel approach aimed to circumvent the increasing evidence of deception and subterfuge by the UFO phenomenon in that multiple eyewitnesses co-located in the same vicinity frequently reported seeing widely different events. The evidence was multiplying that the UFO phenomenon was capable of manipulating and distorting human perception and therefore witness testimony of UFO activity was becoming increasingly trustworthy.

The BAASS approach was to view the human body as a readout system for UFO effects by utilizing forensic technology, the tools of immunology, cell biology, genomics and neuroanatomy for in depth study of the effects of UFOs on humans. This approach marked a dramatic shift away from the traditional norms of relying on eyewitness testimony as the central evidentiary arm in UFO investigations. The approach aimed to bypass UFO deception and manipulation of human perception by utilizing molecular forensics to decipher the biological consequences of the phenomenon.

The result of applying this new approach was a revolution in delineating the threat level of UFOs."

Defense Intelligence Reference Documents







As part of the AAWSAP, a series of documents were commissioned from a range of scientists, where each contributor was asked to prepare a paper on one aspect or another of the 12 focal points as defined in the DIA AAWSAP solicitation of August 2008. The DIA, in responding to an FOIA request submitted by Steve Aftergood, Federation of American Scientists, in a letter dated 16 January 2019 attached a copy of "the list that was recently transmitted to Congress of all DIA products produced under the Advanced Aerospace Threat and Identification Program contract." This list contained the titles and authors of 38 documents. Some of the documents have been publicly revealed in the format of Defense Intelligence Reference Documents, dated 2010.

One of the documents listed in the official DIA response was:

"Field Effects on Biological Tissues, Dr Kit Green, Wayne State Univ. (Product is classified UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY.)"

This document, to date, has not surfaced in the public domain, so we are unaware of its date or contents.

BAASS positions

By September 2008, BAASS were advertising for scientists in multiple disciplines including, in the fields of biochemistry, microbiology, biological cognitive interaction, electromagnetic fields, and forensic pathology.

Three former BAASS employees

On 2 September 2012, the Paracast Internet radio show carried an extensive interview with an anonymous individual whom Paracast named "Chip." The hosts of the show stated that they had checked "Chip's" credentials and believed he was, who he said he was. "Chip" informed the audience that he was recruited as a security guard for the Utah ranch owned by Robert Bigelow, and worked there for a total of about eight weeks around 2009/2010. He stated that he held a secret, military security clearance. He described being told that if he felt anything unusual while at the ranch he should used supplied night vision; thermal imaging equipment, and cameras to record the event/after the event, "because there is an unexplained energy out there." His job ended when a US government sponsored contract ran out. "Chip" also told of producing periodical urine samples which went to a lab in Las Vegas. He was also aware that some BAASS security guards were sent to Reno for medical tests which included MRI. A direct quote from "Chip" is "It almost looks like we were the guinea pigs - they were testing us."

In July and August 2019, three episodes of the Internet radio show "UFO Classified" hosted by Utah researcher Erica Lukes, featured interviews with an individual named Chris J Marx, who Lukes had verified worked at Bigelow's Utah ranch between 2010 and 2016. He was recruited by BAASS following an interview. Marx revealed that he had a military background, and holds a secret DOD clearance. He stated that while employed at the Utah ranch, he was sent for a comprehensive set of medical tests in Reno. These tests included urine, blood, ECG, EKG and MRI. He said these sort of tests were conducted at random intervals on him and others who served at the ranch. He was never made aware of the results of these tests.

On 20 September 2019, on another "UFO Classified" show, Erica Lukes interviewed an individual named Christopher Bartel. I have know, from publicly available LinkedIn website profile data that Bartel stated that he had been employed by Bigelow Aerospace. On the show he advised that he was in fact employed by BAASS as a security guard, and served on the Utah ranch between 2010 and 2016. Bartel stated he was ex USAF, had worked at the Nevada Test site, and was now privately employed. He told host Lukes that when engaged by BAASS he was told very little about the ranch, and provided with basic equipment; i.e. night vision equipment; thermal imaging gear and cameras. He also spoke about going to Reno to undergo medical tests including an MRI, the results of which he was never given.

Back to the BAASS statement
Included in the BAASS senior manager's statement above, was the sentence:

"The phenomenon also involved a whole panoply of diverse activity that included bizarre creatures, poltergeist activity, invisible entities, orbs of light, animal and human injury and more."

This list of aspects of the phenomenon, would fit exactly the range of unusual experiences reported to have taken place at Bigelow's Utah ranch, as described in the 2005 book "Hunt for the Skinwalker" by Colm A Kelleher and George Knapp (Paraview, New York), and by the above three former BAASS employees. However, BAASS undertook investigations in locations other than the Utah ranch, and so the list of aspects of the phenomenon may, in part, refer to these other locations, e.g. Bigelow's "other UFO ranch."

National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS)

Robert Bigelow's NIDS placed scientific teams out at the ranch between 1996 and 2004. On page 144 of the, "Hunt for the Skinwalker," there appears:

"NIDS carefully investigated the wide variety of eyewitnesses to the incidents at the ranch and interviewed neighbors and locals who also experienced very similar events. Although in addition to psychological profiles, multiple discussions took place on the need to monitor stress hormones and other blood chemistry profiles of all researchers on the ranch, the initiative never went beyond the discussion phase."

Questions
The above pieces of information are like a jigsaw puzzle, where you don't know the total number of pieces; you don't know the picture which will be revealed after all the pieces are in place; and you can't be sure the pieces you have, belong to only one puzzle. More questions are raised, than have been answered.

By Keith Basterfield at October 14, 2019
https://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2019/10/baass-human-body-as-readout-system.html
 
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