What's the current Gr3/4 meta?

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Robben
I'm not sure... @Alfabob46 got to within a few tenths of your time in his M4 last night, so I think power and weight adjustment was ok.
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IMHO the M4 is not 100% balanced,
I was over half a second behind Nuschel01 in qually and in race, and he wasnt in the fastest car in class.

You could say it's because he's a faster driver and that's true, but I think there are some balancing issues involved also.
I would like the power and weight reset back to 1.15 as I felt that was better balanced back then it was just the fuel save that made it an OP META for sure.

Maybe I'm wrong, we'll just have to see what bop adjustment's come in the future and how it plays out.
 
Alfabob46
IMHO the M4 is not 100% balanced,
I was over half a second behind Nuschel01 in qually and in race, and he wasnt in the fastest car in class.

You could say it's because he's a faster driver and that's true, but I think there are some balancing issues involved also.
I would like the power and weight reset back to 1.15 as I felt that was better balanced back then it was just the fuel save that made it an OP META for sure.

Maybe I'm wrong, we'll just have to see what bop adjustment's come in the future and how it plays out.
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Maybe not perfectly in balance, but the fact that you set such a close time in very few laps shows that it is still a competitive car even after the power reduction and weight increase.

I don't think it was just the fuel economy thing as, if so, it wouldn't have occupied the top 10 for most group 4 events....
 
Alfabob46
You could say it's because he's a faster driver and that's true
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:O :cheers:

TBH i was shocked how fast I could pull away from you but maybe that was also because you were in a pack with 5 other cars :boggled:
 
Robben
Maybe not perfectly in balance, but the fact that you set such a close time in very few laps shows that it is still a competitive car even after the power reduction and weight increase.

I don't think it was just the fuel economy thing as, if so, it wouldn't have occupied the top 10 for most group 4 events....
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Your probably right Robben, but I feel that on some tracks where I was doing ok now I struggle on raw pace in the M4.
 
Robben
More level with everyone else now then :lol: (or balanced in other words ;))
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In GR4 I thought that at,
Brands Hatch the Alfa,
Willow springs the GT86,
Interlagos the Mazda,
Dragon trail and Monza the Aston Martin.
Etc,
Were all quicker over one lap,
but with the fuel save the M4 was the one to drive over a race distance.
 
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mclarenLB
Doesn't matter, a faster car... makes you faster, controlling a car is lovely, but if that car is 2 seconds off the pace you won't get too far in it. Much better to learn a quicker car, adaptability is a great skill to learn.
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Latest BoP has made the cars closer than ever, there are no cars that are that far away from anything else, see Tidgneys BoP testing thread. Only on specific tracks do some cars have a 2+ second advantage over others but for an overall meta? I’m not so sure
 
ThePhantomAli
Latest BoP has made the cars closer than ever, there are no cars that are that far away from anything else, see Tidgneys BoP testing thread. Only on specific tracks do some cars have a 2+ second advantage over others but for an overall meta? I’m not so sure
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An overall meta doesn't exist, a lot of tracks and situations require different cars right now, that said, you should still learn to adapt to the meta car for said track or situation.
 
mclarenLB
Using an off-meta unique car in a top split FIA race results in me getting absolutely bludgeoned by the field and finishing 15th haha
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That'll teach you not to bother using the Cayman at Bathurst then, or just git gud ;)
 
mclarenLB
Its not viable at the highest level of play though, you adapt to the fastest car or lose in upper S class.
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This is why I'm glad I'm nowhere near this good at the game :lol: I know I'll never get to that level regardless of what I do!
 
mclarenLB
An overall meta doesn't exist, a lot of tracks and situations require different cars right now, that said, you should still learn to adapt to the meta car for said track or situation.
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Key word there being “learn”. A lot of people see the top ten leaderboard and jump in the meta car even though they have not yet learnt how to drive it, get a qualifying time then spin it during the race. My point is why would you drive a meta car you cannot yet control over a car you’re comfortable with. Again this doesn’t apply to the top tier drivers.
 
mthomas_95
That'll teach you not to bother using the Cayman at Bathurst then, or just git gud ;)
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The Cayman at Bathurst was 12th actually :lol:

ThePhantomAli
Key word there being “learn”. A lot of people see the top ten leaderboard and jump in the meta car even though they have not yet learnt how to drive it, get a qualifying time then spin it during the race. My point is why would you drive a meta car you cannot yet control over a car you’re comfortable with. Again this doesn’t apply to the top tier drivers.
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Yeah, fair enough
 
ThePhantomAli
see Tidgneys BoP testing thread. Only on specific tracks do some cars have a 2+ second advantage over others but for an overall meta? I’m not so sure
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Moglet
This is why I'm glad I'm nowhere near this good at the game :lol: I know I'll never get to that level regardless of what I do!
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ThePhantomAli
Key word there being “learn”. A lot of people see the top ten leaderboard and jump in the meta car even though they have not yet learnt how to drive it, get a qualifying time then spin it during the race. My point is why would you drive a meta car you cannot yet control over a car you’re comfortable with. Again this doesn’t apply to the top tier drivers.
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My .02...
Tidgneys BoP testing is most valuable... "I" think the best part of his testing lies in his comments/critiques on how the car drives, more-so than on the numbers/performance achieved. I honestly believe that anyone (well, at least us less skilled "drivers") wishing to be competitive needs do their own BoP testing. Tidgneys testing is at the upper skill level, and I find it does not 100% translate to my lower skill level... however his comments on car behavior do translate (regardless of the performance achieved), and it helps me choose cars that suit my driving style/habits.
So, the bit regarding "learn"... first, I 100% agree, however, some of us don't have time/talent to truly learn to the point of forming habit, or, muscle memory, so, for those of us with more time restrictions... or even... skill restrictions... you are 100% correct... race the car you are most comfortable/consistent with... because even with the meta car, having a muscle memory mishap will result in lost time, or, a wreck, and, if you're not on track it doesn't matter how meta the car is, you're not going to place well.

edit; to add, hats off to @Tidgney as he is skilled enough to ring the ultimate performance out of each car... which is most interesting to me as he is faster/slower in cars that at my skill level I am opposite... case being 991 vs Aston...
Even so, the 991 is my go to car as it suits my driving style better... I'm faster in the Aston, but more consistent/comfortable in the 991... he happens to have the skill to be faster in the 991... so, obviously, my skill level does not allow me to extract everything out of that car... and while I'm faster in the Aston, I am more prone to make mistakes with it... which Tidgney notes in his comments and has scored it so under the column "Risk Indicator".

So, @Moglet use Tidgney's guide as a base, but, best to figure it out for yourself.
 
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