why drift?

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i just got through reading some posts on some other board. actually, i didn't know that some people actually thought that drifting is "nonsense" and does not have a place in the "racing world". its weird. right now theres so much going on in my head its weird. we can't deny the popularity of "drifting" nowadays what with everybody buying up s13s and ae86s (no offense i luv em both!). but when i read something that had drifters AND ricers in the same sentence, i just went nuts! :). i always thought drifters were the exact opposite of ricers! now thats weird. anyways, as all you might've noticed. i love to drift (at least in GT3, some in real-life). and i do it because it gives me some form of satisfaction. i dunno, theres just something when you get to flawlessy drift a corner in one silky-smooth motion. i drift for myself. i dont care if some dumb, ignorant ****head purist says its wrong. now what i wanna know is what you guys think about all of it? (GT3 driftin', real-life, drifting in general)

phew. now that i got that all out. hmmm. damn. that was a long one. :lol:
 
Drifting is like surfing, or hang-gliding. I can see why it's fun and exhilirating, but it's not racing and not the way to win. More and more I see it as apples and oranges and I'm annoyed by those who swear it's "faster". It's not. This will all be proven in GT4 online racing. Drifters will focus on style. Racers will be trying to win races.
 
Originally posted by Pfffssshhh!
[but when i read something that had drifters AND ricers in the same sentence, i just went nuts! :). i always thought drifters were the exact opposite of ricers! now thats weird[/B]
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you think like that because its true that the ricers made drift popular and drag racing popular
 
Originally posted by Night_Drifter
you think like that because its true that the ricers made drift popular and drag racing popular
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Ricers made drag racing popular? That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. No, wait, I meant to say that's one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard.
 
Originally posted by milefile
Drifting is like surfing, or hang-gliding. I can see why it's fun and exhilirating, but it's not racing and not the way to win. More and more I see it as apples and oranges and I'm annoyed by those who swear it's "faster". It's not. This will all be proven in GT4 online racing. Drifters will focus on style. Racers will be trying to win races.
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I can't remember the last time I saw someone claim drifting is faster, yet all the grip guys are always whining about this. Sounds to me like the grip guys are the ones who have something to prove. We know drifting is slower, but they don't seem to. There's no need to wait for GT4, it has already been proven time and time again. When you see a person feint for 100ft before the corner do you really think they're trying to beat their last lap time? I never even look at my lap time anymore unless I'm checking to see if I can save a replay.

As for being fast, drifting CAN be fast but that's not its purpose. In fact, if used properly, it can give you a great advantage over grip drivers, but that doesn't mean it's faster, it just means it's a racing advantage. It only works if you're in front, because passing a gripper using drift would speak very poorly of the grip driver. On the other hand, being a grip driver, have you ever tried to pass a good drifter? It's not easy. They block every decent line through the corner, so that you are forced to wait until the exit to make your move. The exit is where the drift has its advantage, because the drifter will obtain exit angle sooner and will be accelerating out of the corner long before the gripper, so this makes passing very difficult, especially on narrow courses.

So my point is, you're right, drifting is not racing. However, grip is not racing either. I grip the whole way to work and back every day, but am I racing?
 
Originally posted by pergatory
I can't remember the last time I saw someone claim drifting is faster, yet all the grip guys are always whining about this. Sounds to me like the grip guys are the ones who have something to prove. We know drifting is slower, but they don't seem to. There's no need to wait for GT4, it has already been proven time and time again. When you see a person feint for 100ft before the corner do you really think they're trying to beat their last lap time? I never even look at my lap time anymore unless I'm checking to see if I can save a replay.

As for being fast, drifting CAN be fast but that's not its purpose. In fact, if used properly, it can give you a great advantage over grip drivers, but that doesn't mean it's faster, it just means it's a racing advantage. It only works if you're in front, because passing a gripper using drift would speak very poorly of the grip driver. On the other hand, being a grip driver, have you ever tried to pass a good drifter? It's not easy. They block every decent line through the corner, so that you are forced to wait until the exit to make your move. The exit is where the drift has its advantage, because the drifter will obtain exit angle sooner and will be accelerating out of the corner long before the gripper, so this makes passing very difficult, especially on narrow courses.

So my point is, you're right, drifting is not racing. However, grip is not racing either. I grip the whole way to work and back every day, but am I racing?
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What? Drifting does not mean acceleratin out of a turn faster because the tires are not doing any work, unless you call spewing smoke work. Gripping through a turn allows the tires to respond immediately to acceleration because they already have traction. I wish I could take the fastest drifters ghost replay and grip against it. It would demonstrate the value of driving lines and traction. And there's also the issue of drifting never happening in races. If it's so fast why aren't race drivers drifting through turns? Any turns? Drifting is a stylistic performance only, and has no practical racing application, on tarmac.

If you can't remember the last time anyone said drifting is faster you have a short memory.
 
Drifting doesn't mean running at redline and pumping out smoke. You can drift without creating any smoke at all, you can even drift with no loss of traction (by pushing only a few tires past the limit, without actually going sideways). Granted that style is more of a combination between drift and grip, but that's beside the point. Using proper throttle control, a drifter will exit the corner faster because all the power you're putting down pushes you forward, rather than being absorbed by the sidewalls like in grip driving. In grip driving, your engine is fighting against the tires the whole time. At the apex, you are accelerating off the track and that acceleration must later be absorbed to keep the car on the course. Only once you fully exit the corner are you actually using your full potential for acceleration.

As for racing the ghost, I said several times in my post that grip was faster. Drifting's only application in racing is for gaining an advantage, advantages don't always mean running faster they just mean staying ahead of the others. Also, FYI, proper drifting follows the same line as grip.

As for why racing doesn't happen in real life, that's because real races occur over dozens of laps where tires must be preserved. If they were serious drivers doing short races, you might see more drifting. Also, if you watch the older F1 racing, they drift slightly in those. Not so much anymore though because of all the fancy electronics that can push the car closer to the limit than is possible in a normal car. This is all in addition to the fact that drifting is far more dangerous than grip and it would take a much smaller error to send you flying off the course.
 
Originally posted by milefile
What? Drifting does not mean acceleratin out of a turn faster because the tires are not doing any work, unless you call spewing smoke work. Gripping through a turn allows the tires to respond immediately to acceleration because they already have traction. I wish I could take the fastest drifters ghost replay and grip against it. It would demonstrate the value of driving lines and traction. And there's also the issue of drifting never happening in races. If it's so fast why aren't race drivers drifting through turns? Any turns? Drifting is a stylistic performance only, and has no practical racing application, on tarmac.

If you can't remember the last time anyone said drifting is faster you have a short memory.
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just like pergatory said, drifting in real races is just not practical in normal races. There's sumthing like this thread goin on here https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29842&perpage=20&pagenumber=1 in gt2
 
I could probably end this quick: Grip is fast, and not very fun.
Drifting is slower, but 10 times as fun... This is why people do it. And it also is the best way to show form and skill( not saying grip has less skill) .
 
Originally posted by XzifT
I could probably end this quick: Grip is fast, and not very fun.
Drifting is slower, but 10 times as fun... This is why people do it. And it also is the best way to show form and skill( not saying grip has less skill) .
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i agree, that's the only reason most people are still playing gt3, drifting gives the game more replay-ability (if that's a word)
 
Originally posted by azndrifter318
just like pergatory said, drifting in real races is just not practical in normal races. There's sumthing like this thread goin on here https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29842&perpage=20&pagenumber=1 in gt2
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See that's my point? All these "grip" drivers keep saying that "drifters" insist on it being fast! :). Honestly though I have never heard anyone say that. Oh well, forget it...i guess some people are just a bit too...oh i dunno :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Pfffssshhh!
See that's my point? All these "grip" drivers keep saying that "drifters" insist on it being fast! :). Honestly though I have never heard anyone say that. Oh well, forget it...i guess some people are just a bit too...oh i dunno :rolleyes:
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You are also a "new member" to GTP. It has been said all over the place. There is even a thread titled "Drift faster than grip".
 
Originally posted by azndrifter318
i agree, that's the only reason most people are still playing gt3, drifting gives the game more replay-ability (if that's a word)
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I play to be faster, and faster still. When I think I am fast, I get faster. Then I check out Racing Line and see what fast really is, and I play some more. I have never felt the urge to put any effort into drifting. That's why I play GT3, and not only me. I know one guy who's theory is that frustrated players who can't get fast decide to drift because it's easier. I wouldn't know. But if you think you've mastered grip driving, you haven't.
 
Originally posted by XzifT
I could probably end this quick: Grip is fast, and not very fun.
Drifting is slower, but 10 times as fun... This is why people do it. And it also is the best way to show form and skill( not saying grip has less skill) .
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That's exactly what I said with the statement: "Drifting is like surfing, or hang-gliding. I can see why it's fun and exhilirating, but it's not racing and not the way to win."
 
Originally posted by milefile
I play to be faster, and faster still. When I think I am fast, I get faster. Then I check out Racing Line and see what fast really is, and I play some more. I have never felt the urge to put any effort into drifting. That's why I play GT3, and not only me. I know one guy who's theory is that frustrated players who can't get fast decide to drift because it's easier. I wouldn't know. But if you think you've mastered grip driving, you haven't.
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i've think i've mastered the grip enough until it has become boring, that's why i've went to drifting. I got nothing against grip (i don't think nebody does), but hell gt3 is a game so hell i'd be happy to actually be in a real race but i'm not so that's why drifting in gt3 is a better alternative to keep me from being bored.
 
Originally posted by milefile
That's exactly what I said with the statement: "Drifting is like surfing, or hang-gliding. I can see why it's fun and exhilirating, but it's not racing and not the way to win."
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:D Yeah, but I dont think a whole lot of people got it..
 
I drift and grip drive when I play GT3. Usually, I'll drift for a few laps on a course, then switch cars and go do some racing. I know I'm more than a few seconds off the top grip times those guys are putting down, but I just don't have the drive to get faster times that they do. It's still fun to try to match somebody elses time though. Finding a better line through a corner that shaves off some time or sets you up for the next corner better is a lot of fun. I just find drifting to be more fun. :)



-Mark
 
Ricers are posers. Has nothing to do with ethnicity. They are people who are interested not in becoming a better driver or building a faster car, but in having a faster looking car and using it to get laid this weekend. They pretend they're really fast and tell everyone that they beat an RX-7 the other night. They put huge spoilers on their car, lower it to the ground, huge glowing tachs with giant shift lights, or claiming their car has a performance option that it doesn't really have like say... an AE86 Type R... no offense...

Do you even have an AE86? Or a Type R? Or ever been in one?
 
lolol ae86TypeR, theres no such damn thing. lol sounds like a ricer's SN lol

oh yeah.. Brands like matrix, Revolution, and events called HIN, HID, etc. are rice pr0m0ters. same w/ fast and furious.
 
i have to agree with pergatory on this.

Think of it this way. Grip is ALWAYS faster when it comes to time trials. HOWEVER, it is not always faster when ur on the track with 10-15 other guys vying for position. Drift was utilized pretty successfully by the Drift King on the racetrack. Drifting should just be an arsenal in ur bag of tricks. If you master drifting, this will allow you more flexibility in terms of line, outside/inside passing, blocking, etc. Keiichi didn't ALWAYS use drift, he used it at the right spots, at the right moments, when it gave him an advantage.

I think a reason why no one realizes that drift is useful on the racetrack is because lots of people stress lap times on a track but they don't realize that its HARD to pass a slower car even if ur faster.

Drifting would actually be useful in Gran Turismo if they made the AI as smart as humans and had damage. Where the other cars would avoid hitting you.
 

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