Make rare race cars show up in the UCD?

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Just curious if anyone else has experienced this. I normally just take cars into practice mode and run laps on the Nurburgring. The UCD refreshes each time I exit (6 new cars), and I always see the same cars while doing this, some times even 2 of the same car.

Last night I started taking different race cars and running the 1 lap race on the Nurburgring in the GT All Stars series. Literally every time I went back to the UCD, there were 2 or 3 race cars that I had never seen before. I even tested it and ran 2 other random races, then checked the UCD and saw no new race cars. Went back to the GT All Stars and once again, new race cars I'd never seen before.

So my questions are, has anyone else experienced this, and does the UCD actually refresh with cars to reflect what you've been racing?
 
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No. The UCD only offers cars you don't possibly need or want. GT5 contains a secret mind reading software technology that anticipates which car you might be looking for and makes sure it will never show up in the UCD when you could afford it. However, your dream car will show up instantly whenever you don't have enough credits to actually buy it. Oh, and level tickets or ticket 1000 will never give you any useful or interesting cars either, and all race prize cars are total lemons, too. This is how PD keeps the game interesting and rewarding and such... Just in case this does not keep you playing, they implemented an ingenious level system which makes sure you keep your PS3 running 24/7, so that as soon as you feel you have achieved something in GT5 your PS3 will die from overheating and take your game save with you so you can start over again.

GT5 - The way it's meant to be played! :crazy:
 
Xanonymous
No. The UCD only offers cars you don't possibly need or want. GT5 contains a secret mind reading software technology that anticipates which car you might be looking for and makes sure it will never show up in the UCD when you could afford it. However, your dream car will show up instantly whenever you don't have enough credits to actually buy it. Oh, and level tickets or ticket 1000 will never give you any useful or interesting cars either, and all race prize cars are total lemons, too. This is how PD keeps the game interesting and rewarding and such... Just in case this does not keep you playing, they implemented an ingenious level system which makes sure you keep your PS3 running 24/7, so that as soon as you feel you have achieved something in GT5 your PS3 will die from overheating and take your game save with you so you can start over again.

GT5 - The way it's meant to be played! :crazy:
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:lol:

I agree that the game has many flaws, and that I've been very frustrated searching for certain cars in the UCD as well. Just curious if anyone else experienced the same thing that I did. I couldn't believe it when all of the race cars that I had yet to see just started appearing left and right.
 
When you stop looking for that particular car it will appear. That's the way of life (in GT5 too) it seems.
 
I'm fairly certain that it's completely "random" or at least random to the effect that it wouldn't be predictable based on which race you're running.

That said, it has gotten SIGNIFICANTLY less random after the last 1.07 update. I've been a faithful collector, every 5 races, check the UCD since the beginning. Now I'm seeing sometimes 2 or 3 of the same exact car in the UCD at one time, and it's much more forthcoming with "rare" cars.

That said, it could just be that I've seen them all by now and I notice it more?
 
Could be completely random, who knows. All I know is I've never seen it do what it was doing last night. I guess I'll try it out again tonight to see if I get similar results. Might have been nothing more than dumb luck I guess..
 
JeffKill
Could be completely random, who knows.
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EivlEvo
I'm fairly certain that it's completely "random" or at least random to the effect that it wouldn't be predictable based on which race you're running.
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It's not even slightly random. It's massively long and irritating - and your start point is most likely different to anyone else's start point (though it is fixed on each console) - but it isn't random.
 
Famine
It's not even slightly random. It's massively long and irritating - and your start point is most likely different to anyone else's start point (though it is fixed on each console) - but it isn't random.
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I've read that entire thread, and I agree that there is probably a pattern to it.

I've also done all the tricks to refresh the UCD looking for certain cars, and they never appeared, while other cars reappear over and over. Then out of nowhere last night, race cars I'd never seen started showing up left and right. So Im not sure how uniform the refresh system is.
 
Famine
It's not even slightly random. It's massively long and irritating - and your start point is most likely different to anyone else's start point (though it is fixed on each console) - but it isn't random.
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Yep sorry... the quotes were to signify that there were people working on figuring the order, but that its so massive that it appears random.

I'm not being very clear today...
 
i dont know, ive seen multiple times when u finish certain series they give some cars similar to the cars in that series. For example, i did the gran turismo all stars series and when i checked the UCD i saw a Falcon XR8, Merc CLK GTR and a Nissan r390 GTI race car. It might be coincidence but it seems to happen a lot to me.
 
JeffKill
I've read that entire thread, and I agree that there is probably a pattern to it.

I've also done all the tricks to refresh the UCD looking for certain cars, and they never appeared, while other cars reappear over and over. Then out of nowhere last night, race cars I'd never seen started showing up left and right. So Im not sure how uniform the refresh system is.
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Wholly uniform.

Have a look at your gamesave file, see how many days have passed. Take a note of your UCD. Start a new game (on a new account) on the same console. Skip days until you reach the same number of game days. Check the UCD. The two UCD lists are the same.

I've done this, multiple times on multiple accounts on different consoles. Other people have done this. UCD is not random - it is preset, with the only point of variance being where you start on it.
 
@Famine: So you're saying that once we reach a certain day, the UCD will no longer be useful? Like for example, if it's day 2000, it won't be useful to you anymore? Or will it just repeat? I'm really wanting a Nissan R92CP and I really don't wish to miss out on it.
 
Famine
Wholly uniform.

Have a look at your gamesave file, see how many days have passed. Take a note of your UCD. Start a new game (on a new account) on the same console. Skip days until you reach the same number of game days. Check the UCD. The two UCD lists are the same.

I've done this, multiple times on multiple accounts on different consoles. Other people have done this. UCD is not random - it is preset, with the only point of variance being where you start on it.
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I'll take your word for it 👍

Guess I just looked at the UCD at the right time for once :cheers:
 
Limelight788
@Famine: So you're saying that once we reach a certain day, the UCD will no longer be useful? Like for example, if it's day 2000, it won't be useful to you anymore? Or will it just repeat? I'm really wanting a Nissan R92CP and I really don't wish to miss out on it.
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Don't know how you'd come to that conclusion.

Nobody yet knows how long the UCD "cycle" is - nor even if it does cycle at all (personally, I can't imagine that it doesn't, but we're well past 2,000 days without a cycle in evidence). The cars just keep on coming.
 
Famine
Don't know how you'd come to that conclusion.

Nobody yet knows how long the UCD "cycle" is - nor even if it does cycle at all (personally, I can't imagine that it doesn't, but we're well past 2,000 days without a cycle in evidence). The cars just keep on coming.
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I looked at the spread sheet. maybe I didn't read it right. Is it really a cycle? or is it that ever car is assigned a number so the cars aren't so much random but just based off of a likely probability. Like tickets in a hat, where an RX7 may get 15 and a GTS/R gets 1. Technically that wouldn't be entirely random. There woud be odds, but it would cause enough variance and disruption to defeat a true cycle. Or has that theory been thrown out before and discredited? I haven't been here in about a month so.
 
No, there's no randomness to it at all. You will get the same cars on every day 0 gamesave on your machine. You will get the same cars on every day 500 gamesave on your machine. You will get the same cars on every day 2000 gamesave on your machine. It's a preset list.

The only point of variance is where you start on that list. This is determined by a mechanism we don't know about (it doesn't help us to know about it either) but is set on your machine. Everyone else will encounter your day 500 list and your day 2000 list, 1500 days apart, but we can't say when without knowing when on the list they started.


We haven't yet found an end to the list, which either means it's a very long one or someone has manually programmed the list until the maximum day number the game can possibly display (which is in the two billions). We haven't got the information to rule out either possibility.
 
Famine
No, there's no randomness to it at all. You will get the same cars on every day 0 gamesave on your machine. You will get the same cars on every day 500 gamesave on your machine. You will get the same cars on every day 2000 gamesave on your machine. It's a preset list.

The only point of variance is where you start on that list. This is determined by a mechanism we don't know about (it doesn't help us to know about it either) but is set on your machine. Everyone else will encounter your day 500 list and your day 2000 list, 1500 days apart, but we can't say when without knowing when on the list they started.


We haven't yet found an end to the list, which either means it's a very long one or someone has manually programmed the list until the maximum day number the game can possibly display (which is in the two billions). We haven't got the information to rule out either possibility.
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ok how about this, with that information, could they have used some ind of a randomization system to create such a massive list, then code that list into the game. So while it may be a "cycle" It was randomely generated. Therefore everyone does experience everything, but that allows for such a massive cycle to be produced quite quickly. So. . . even with a set list, at that scale it may not be able to be figured out until the next GT comes out. Thats also not taking into account they don't change something about that list in an update and don't report it.
 
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rssjib
It takes about the same amount of time to load a license test as it does a race.....
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yes but once you load the race, you don't have to load it again. just start the race and exit and start the race again and so on. no loading screens
 
Blitz24
When you stop looking for that particular car it will appear. That's the way of life (in GT5 too) it seems.
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How right you are...Found yesterday the NSX Proto roadcar. You don´t wanna know how long I´ve been looking for it. I gave up already, and then guess what happened. You know the rest :)
 
SigmaViper11
ok how about this, with that information, could they have used some ind of a randomization system to create such a massive list, then code that list into the game. So while it may be a "cycle" It was randomely generated. Therefore everyone does experience everything, but that allows for such a massive cycle to be produced quite quickly. So. . . even with a set list, at that scale it may not be able to be figured out until the next GT comes out.
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It's possible, but that information doesn't help us advance any. The two possibilities - it cycles; it's just improbably long - still exist, regardless of how they generated it.

We have noticed that everyone seems to start within the same 400-day spell though.

SigmaViper11
Thats also not taking into account they don't change something about that list in an update and don't report it.
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As yet, this hasn't actually occurred. There was a worry about v1.06, but the order seems to have been untouched. If it does change following an update, there will be some wailing and gnashing of teeth.
 
I'm not sure how true it is. I've noticed this pattern. Higher chance the vehicle you compete with appear more in UCD. I played BSpec dream car championship, and change my view to my opponent car, ie FTO Super Touring Car and RX7 LM Race Car, next thing I know, I'm able to buy them in my UCD.

Maybe it is coincidence, but I'm very glad this happen when I've cash.
 
stanong11
I'm not sure how true it is. I've noticed this pattern. Higher chance the vehicle you compete with appear more in UCD. I played BSpec dream car championship, and change my view to my opponent car, ie FTO Super Touring Car and RX7 LM Race Car, next thing I know, I'm able to buy them in my UCD.

Maybe it is coincidence, but I'm very glad this happen when I've cash.
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Would it really have hurt you to spend that time reading the thread instead of posting exactly what has been demonstrated as wrong in the posts preceding yours?
 
stanong11
I'm not sure how true it is. I've noticed this pattern. Higher chance the vehicle you compete with appear more in UCD. I played BSpec dream car championship, and change my view to my opponent car, ie FTO Super Touring Car and RX7 LM Race Car, next thing I know, I'm able to buy them in my UCD.

Maybe it is coincidence, but I'm very glad this happen when I've cash.
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No. The list is preset. We have been working on this since day 1. We have logged it. We can prove it to you - note the game day you're on, note the present UCD composition, start a new game on a new account on the same console, skip to the same day number, the UCD composition is identical.
 
Khaddar
Would it really have hurt you to spend that time reading the thread instead of posting exactly what has been demonstrated as wrong in the posts preceding yours?
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No, it wouldn't have hurt me. I didn't read what was posted earlier. And don't think they are wrong. And it wouldn't hurt if you do read or don't read what I wrote.

Famine
No. The list is preset. We have been working on this since day 1. We have logged it. We can prove it to you - note the game day you're on, note the present UCD composition, start a new game on a new account on the same console, skip to the same day number, the UCD composition is identical.
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That's good. Maybe the days wasn't enough for all the cars to appear. Been seeing same type of cars though.
 
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Famine
It's possible, but that information doesn't help us advance any. The two possibilities - it cycles; it's just improbably long - still exist, regardless of how they generated it.[/
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I find those possibilities both exciting and excrutiating.

Famine
We have noticed that everyone seems to start within the same 400-day spell though.
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ok, I suppose that does help a little bit, but at the same time, how big can this list possibly be? I mean there has to be a limit to how much of this data they could put in, obviously, but I mean could it really be compressed that small to be that big? :banghead:



Famine
As yet, this hasn't actually occurred. There was a worry about v1.06, but the order seems to have been untouched. If it does change following an update, there will be some wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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Thankfully that doesn't add more pressure onto the work you guys have been doing, though it would be nice if PD would at least give us a hint as to whats going on with the UCD.

Famine
No. The list is preset. We have been working on this since day 1. We have logged it. We can prove it to you - note the game day you're on, note the present UCD composition, start a new game on a new account on the same console, skip to the same day number, the UCD composition is identical.
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I have one last idea, though at the same time it kinda sounds out there, but I'll do my best to explain in it in a manner that makes sense. Effectively what if its a calculator. Meaning regardless of what system or unit you use it on, it wil always equal the same thing. So, instead of having it presecripted exactly, its making its calculations exactly the same way each time because it has no other or ew variables to take into account as well as not properly being random. So basically saying, the computer is making up the list as it goes, but each and everyone's list will be exactly the same. It'd be like saying my calculator says 1024 multiplied by pi to the Nth power equals X. Well if you do the same thing on yours its going to come out the same. Its predictable, but not scripted. So either, I may have given people nightmares with that theory, I'm going to get laughed at, or worse, Kaz is just as weird as I am and actually iplemented something like that. If the first applies, sorry. But its just a theory. It would also give the idea that the list is random when its not, keep the lists consistent across all the different PS3s and also keep the list from repeating itself for quite possibly a very very long time if ever. It would also keep anyone from precisely planning when a car is going to show up to purchase it, as well as allow for a list that PD wouldn't exactly have had to make themselves (though I'm not sure how much thought process goes into that). Sorry for the long post.
 

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