Alfa Z-Cup - Johnnypenso and Carracerptp Z-Cup Co-Champions!

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I'll be there around at some point. Gonna try the headset, it doesn't have talkback, so if I shout, you know why :)
 
I'm opening the ORCA_SpotRace1 lounge now for some 500-550pp racing if anybody wants to join.

The ID won't be online so you won't see the yellow dot above the coffee cup. Just click the cup itself and join the lounge. 👍
 
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Got the 86 series then after I'd be down for some action.



Speaking of good things. I discovered last night my main powered subwoofer wasn't working right. Very little noise from it. Moved gain dial and was scratchy sounding. Off to google. Discover the potentiometer can get dirty or corroded. Bought some cleaner spray. Removed back amp and then the pot. Cleaned it up. Much smoother put it all back together. Hook it up and BOOOM BOOOM BOOM OMG I am not sure how long I've been with out it. I added a second lesser one this summer. Just wow. Saved myself some coin today with a little luck.
 
I've had some interesting developments over the last couple weeks that I thought I'd share, especially since part of it was recently discussed here.

First off, with the most recent update we're now able to turn off the suggested gear indicator. I've never used that indicator literally but I, like many others, would make some decisions based on it's info. Example: start braking approx 2 seconds after it starts flashing. It wasn't necessarily intentional but the flashing light is so prominent that it just happened. Eventually I came to rely more on that blinking light than paying attention to physical braking points and my consistency was not optimal.

So I've been racing with the gear indicator turned off for the last week or so. Admittedly it was rough at first but I quickly adapted and have found that my performance and consistency is improving. I'm using more of my senses and field of view now, I feel like I'm able to brake a bit later and take a more optimal line through the turn because of it. I also have more of a feeling that I'm actually driving and not relying on some "aid". I can't exactly put my finger on it, I think it's more of a combination of things that add up to create a better experience all around. I highly recommend that everybody spend a day racing with the indicator turned OFF, it will take a few races to get used to but after that everything feels more natural and you won't miss it at all.

Secondly, on Monday I built a box for my rig so I could invert my G27 pedals. I didn't expect this to make much difference but it has had quite an impact for the positive. Having the brake pedal at a different angle had GREATLY changed the feel, it actually has a progressive feel to it now and gets stiffer the further I push it. I have not installed the Nixim mod yet and did nothing to change the strength of the pedal, but simply having a different fulcrum/pivot point between my foot and pedal has effected the say it feels. I am now able to trail brake and threshold brake MUCH better than before. Previously if I wanted to give 60% braking (for example) I had to "hover" my foot at the right position and if I gave just a little more pressure it was easy to end up with 100% braking instead of 70%. Now it's much easier to apply just a tad bit more braking and not over do it.

The evidence of all this became pretty clear last night. We did some 500pp and 525pp racing and in both races I ran I was right in the mix with iForce and Wiifreak for the duration of the races. Anybody that's raced with us knows those guys are in a league of their own and I've never been near their level. In both races I spent lap after lap going door to door with Wiifreak, in the first race I finished less than .2 seconds behind him (for 2nd place) and actually passed him on the last lap of the second race to secure 2nd place. Granted he spun with about 4 corners to go but I was right on his bumper when he did, and I was less than 2 seconds behind iForce at the finish line. I should note that iForce wasn't too thrilled with his car selection for that race, but we all know that he's fast in anything.

The point, these two improvements to braking ability have had a HUGE positive effect on my driving ability and I'm somewhat shocked by it. Not everyone has the ability to improve their pedals to this extent but having the suggested gear indicator OFF plays a major part in the improvement so I recommend that everyone try this out. It will feel surprisingly odd at first and you'll be surprised how much you unintentionally relied on it, but you'll be equally surprised and how much it was negatively effecting your performance.

For the guys with DFGT pedals, do whatever you can to make that brake pedal better. The squish ball under the pedal works good (I used this method using high density foam) and combined with the bungee cords I think this would be a decent improvement. Improved braking performance has quite an impact on your overall performance, more than I expected.


Just thought I'd share. :)
 
I have been wanting to invert my G27 pedals since I got my wheel, just dont have the time/skills to fabricate something. Any tips on the box that you made Brandon? Also, I use the indicator more than I want to, and find that my best braking spots are the ones where I have an actual on track reference point. I am definitley going to try turning the indicator off, since the only reason I use it is because its there....
 
Finally back home and now have the Alfa in my garage. My Bobs are breaking it in now as I've yet to do a lap with it. Do people typically share their practice laps times here on the thread each week? I'm about ready to take it out for a drive at DRC and wondering what the range of lap times is for the group.
 
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Finally back home and now have the Alfa in my garage. My Bobs are breaking it in now as I've yet to do a lap with it. Do people typically share their practice laps times here on the thread each week? I'm about ready to take it out for a drive at DRC and wondering what the range of lap times is for the group.

2:05.00 is about the ballpark time if I remember correctly... A few of the top guys in this group might run a second or so quicker, and with the draft thrown in during the race, you might see laps a couple of seconds lower still.
 
I have been wanting to invert my G27 pedals since I got my wheel, just dont have the time/skills to fabricate something. Any tips on the box that you made Brandon? Also, I use the indicator more than I want to, and find that my best braking spots are the ones where I have an actual on track reference point. I am definitley going to try turning the indicator off, since the only reason I use it is because its there....


I didn't do anything fancy, just measured my area and made and angled box out of scrap wood. It came out quite well, but as you can see it's nothing overly complicated or fancy. I'm going to permanently mount it after I get the Nixim spring mod done.

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Finally back home and now have the Alfa in my garage. My Bobs are breaking it in now as I've yet to do a lap with it. Do people typically share their practice laps times here on the thread each week? I'm about ready to take it out for a drive at DRC and wondering what the range of lap times is for the group.


I have no problem with people discussing lap times here. I've seen some groups that "ban" that type of discussion but we've never had any issues with it and the faster guys are usually more than happy to share info with anybody who's struggling and I'd never want to stifle that. I don't exactly remember my lap times from DRC but I think I was right around the 2:05 range without the draft. Hope the Alfa lives up to all the hype! I think you'll fall in love with it like the rest of us have. 👍
 
I suck horribly, my best lap is around 10 seconds behind the ballpark set earlier
 
2:05.00 is about the ballpark time if I remember correctly... A few of the top guys in this group might run a second or so quicker, and with the draft thrown in during the race, you might see laps a couple of seconds lower still.

I have no problem with people discussing lap times here. I've seen some groups that "ban" that type of discussion but we've never had any issues with it and the faster guys are usually more than happy to share info with anybody who's struggling and I'd never want to stifle that. I don't exactly remember my lap times from DRC but I think I was right around the 2:05 range without the draft. Hope the Alfa lives up to all the hype! I think you'll fall in love with it like the rest of us have. 👍

👍 Thanks. I should be up to speed. I ran 25 laps offline in practice mode to complete the break in and tweak my approach using my ghost (WRS habits die hard). Changed oil went online to my lounge and ran about 10 laps online with a best of 2:04.581.

I ran with stock wheels so not sure what custom wheels will do for top end speed if it changes the gear ratios. I just painted the car and installed custom wheels so I'll find out shortly. I resubmitted the registration form with my colors: Gold Chrome / Gold Chrome. My son picked those out so don't blame me. :lol: I probably would have preferred the stock red/yellow, but someone already declared those.

I sent a friend request to ORCHA_Champ and will use that lounge to practice as soon as I'm on the list.

Anxious to run some laps with the group.
 
I ran with stock wheels so not sure what custom wheels will do for top end speed if it changes the gear ratios.
This could use some investigation, and I don't think any of us did it yet.
 
This could use some investigation, and I don't think any of us did it yet
I'd be surprised if such detail was included in GT5. Pleasantly surprised of coursed :)
 
When you change the wheels, the ratios have to be set back to default.
 
I have the ORCA_Champ lounge open if anyone wants to see me hit the wall at the first turn!
 
When you change the wheels, the ratios have to be set back to default.

Thanks! I was not being allowed to enter the course with the "no tuning" restriction after changing my tires and that fixed it.
 
When you change the wheels, the ratios have to be set back to default.
The question is why gear ratios change when you change the wheels. If they do to preserve the same effective gearing with different-sized wheels then when you tick 'default' you end-up with a car that has different effective gearing. The effect on performance is likely to be minor, but it could be there.
 
The question is why gear ratios change when you change the wheels. If they do to preserve the same effective gearing with different-sized wheels then when you tick 'default' you end-up with a car that has different effective gearing. The effect on performance is likely to be minor, but it could be there.

That's what I was questioning. Doesn't feel much different since I switched to custom wheels... My time was a bit slower for a while, but then I ran a 2'14.1 so I think it's just practice and the variation in the bus stop. That turn it's so easy to lose 0.5 with the slightest slide or loss of momentum.

Hitting the limiter in 5th right around the finish line when I hit the bus stop optimally which was the same before switch tires... I'd have to say it seems negligible so far.

What's the optimal shift point in this thing? Right at the limiter?

EDIT: Thanks for adding me to the FR list so quickly. Got some practice in with RDAardvark and Sagarismic at DRC. The car is very nice to drive. It doesn't like grass at all, but if you keep it on the tarmac it behaves surprisingly well. Tires seem to last forever. Since the last update I'm getting used to pitting every 5-8 laps so this will be a nice change.
 
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Well, I went ahead and checked. Stock wheels or not, "default" gearing is adjusted to keep gear length equal. I measured in miles, and you run out of gear at 46, 68, 94, 123 and 152 mph both with stock wheels and custom (tried just BBS ones). Km/h might give better resolution, but I doubt there will be any difference.

So no gearing advantage. Whether PD modeled unsprung weight/rotational inertia of the wheels - I have no idea.
 
A very happy New Year to you all.
Hope you have/had a safe and enjoyable time.
:cheers:

edit: i'll be in Orca_champ's lounge for a little while.
 
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^ I'm there!
 
nice running with you guys today! finally got the car down into the 2:04.5xx that sounds about where everyone else is so i'm happy with that. the car drives great this should be a great season :gtpflag:


Happy New Years :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
 
WRP and Lucky, it was nice to finally get in a room with you guys yesterday. Glad to hear you both like the Alfa. :)

Happy New Year everyone! I'll be around all day today, if anybody's up for some Alfa practice this afternoon let me know and we'll get the lounge open. 👍

BTW, I got the Nixim brake spring installed yesterday and it's quite impressive. It's now very easy to apply just a bit more brake when you're near the threshold with no risk of giving it too much brake. It was very apparent on T1 at Daytona, I could easily give it about 50% braking for slow down and entry and could then increase to 55%, 60%, 65% etc. as necessary without ever giving it too much brake. It's enough of a difference that I need to totally relearn my braking technique as I found I often wasn't giving it enough input and need to be more forceful with the pedal. I highly recommend it to anybody with a G27, but suggest just using the spring and not the rubber block (shortened the travel of the pedal). I didn't use the clutch spring since I read it was too stiff, but did put the old Logitech brake spring in the clutch and now it's very nice too.
 
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^^^

I'll be around all day, would be up for some practice anytime...
 
WRP and Lucky, it was nice to finally get in a room with you guys yesterday. Glad to hear you both like the Alfa. :)

Happy New Year everyone! I'll be around all day today, if anybody's up for some Alfa practice this afternoon let me know and we'll get the lounge open. 👍

BTW, I got the Nixim brake spring installed yesterday and it's quite impressive. It's now very easy to apply just a bit more brake when you're near the threshold with no risk of giving it too much brake. It was very apparent on T1 at Daytona, I could easily give it about 50% braking for slow down and entry and could then increase to 55%, 60%, 65% etc. as necessary without ever giving it too much brake. It's enough of a difference that I need to totally relearn my braking technique as I found I often wasn't giving it enough input and need to be more forceful with the pedal. I highly recommend it to anybody with a G27, but suggest just using the spring and not the rubber block (shortened the travel of the pedal). I didn't use the clutch spring since I read it was too stiff, but did put the old Logitech brake spring in the clutch and now it's very nice too.

Curious to see your race results with the new setup. It's possible you won't see a significant hot lap improvement but the better controlled braking should help tire wear and race results. I may have to install the spring in my brake mod also if you notice a marked improvement in tire wear.
 
I should be open for some practice in an hour or two.
 
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=237539

Some troubling reading that we should perhaps be keeping a close on, I saw DSG in the thread, but I don't know if any others have seen it.

We saw evidence of this in our WRS-Online EU race last week. It's hard to confirm, but everyone went significantly slower when we reset the track for qualifying. I don't think it was driver specific as most people slowed down, but not 100% sure. As long as it's even it's not a killer, but if some people are impacted and others not then it's a really bad glitch.
 
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=237539

Some troubling reading that we should perhaps be keeping a close on, I saw DSG in the thread, but I don't know if any others have seen it.

Saw this thread and have experienced it. I believe we also had an extreme example of this last season in a Tuesday Capp Cup race at Grand Valley. At the start some racers started off real sluggish while others flew right past like they were in X1's. Then at the first turn some had no grip while others kept speeding away. I believe we called the race then and restarted. I know that's an extreme example but who's to say that's not happening at a smaller level in other races. I know in the past we've discussed lap times being seconds off during the actual race in the Capp Cup series too.

I don't think it's a wheel issue, more of a connection issue, but it would be interesting to have kept stats of who uses what hardware. If I recall correctly, in that Capp Cup race I mentioned above, LancerEvo was one of the people who flew right past everyone and he was using a DS3. Only reason I remember him is he didn't want to restart the race because he was flying, all in good fun of course...haha. Maybe it is a DS3/Wheel thing where a wheel requires more connection/communication speed, I have no idea, it'll be interesting to follow this.

It does state in that post in a couple places that it is more so evident with more than 12 players...interesting...seems like a lot of issues arise when you get over 12 players.
 
I believe we also had an extreme example of this last season in a Tuesday Capp Cup race at Grand Valley.
Oh yeah, it was a bad one, no race record for me though, cause I quit.
 
I remember that Capp Cup race... I remember not having any brakes going to the second corner (first tight left-hander), and the lag was the worst I've ever seen... I was using a DS3 and didn't seem to have near as much trouble as some others... Wasn't that also right around the time that 2.0 and the first DLC came out, so the servers were already overloaded to begin with?
 
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