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Holden or Ford

  • Holden

    Votes: 209 36.2%

  • Ford

    Votes: 175 30.3%

  • Ford and Holden

    Votes: 64 11.1%

  • Nismo

    Votes: 74 12.8%

  • Erebus

    Votes: 7 1.2%

  • Nismo and Erebus

    Votes: 6 1.0%

  • Volvo

    Votes: 43 7.4%
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I just can't help myself reading tweets regarding Nissan's entrance to V8s... I'm just glad that only a couple are making fun of Kellys and Nissan.
 
R1600Turbo
I think that Tander is just jealous that he won't be getting a GT-R as a company car. :sly:
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I don't blame him, I'm extremely jealous aswell. :lol:
 
I reckon this will probably work out similar to Toyota's entry into NASCAR a few years ago. They start with a loud media-grabbing back marker (I'm not familiar with the Kelly's but I assume this description suits them well?) among a few others, then will expand and grab one of the larger teams when they realize that their not as successful as they want to be. Fyi: Michael Waltrip Racing with Red Bull and a few others, then grabbing JGR which was their first consistently winning team. Just a prediction.
 
I'm disappointed with all the people that are being rude and disrespectful about the whole thing. Even V8 Supercars posted on their facebook that that they would not tolerate it, and people started being disrespectful there as well. I feel sorry for them that they have to deal with all these people.
 
R1600Turbo
I'm disappointed with all the people that are being rude and disrespectful about the whole thing. Even V8 Supercars posted on their facebook that that they would not tolerate it, and people started being disrespectful there as well. I feel sorry for them that they have to deal with all these people.
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It's their own fault! For years they've been banging the Ford V Holden, Red v Blue thing down everyone's throats, to the point where you've got idiotic rubbish like not putting a predominantly-red paint scheme on a Ford and so on, so what did they expect? This kind of lowest-common-denominator stuff will ultimately ruin Touring car racing here, not make it better. And gimmicky crap like the above-mentioned qualifying race rubbish at Albert Park doesn't help either.
 
Snaeper
(I'm not familiar with the Kelly's but I assume this description suits them well?)
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The Jack Daniels cars were the highest-placed team without factory support in the 2011 season. Greg Murphy and David Reynolds finished as the third-highest-placed non-factory team. They said that getting factory support was one of the major reasons why they switched to Nissan.

I'm not too familiar with NASCAR, but the problem with the Kellys is that they're a lot like the Busch brothers; or at least Rick Kelly is - he's like Kyle Busch in that it's almost impossible to like him. He's the only series champion who won the championship without winning a single round. The whole team doesn't care very much about results - they care about their image. They want to be seen as the popular team, the trendy team. Rick Kelly desperately wants to be liked. I think he has this whole vision in his mind about how he wil lead the youngest and the fastest drivers to victory and everyone will love them; the catch is that none of their drivers are allowed to be faster than him. David Reynolds accused him of as much. That's why I think joining Kelly Racing was a mistake by Nissan: Kelly just isn't marketable. He has never lived down his 2006 title, and the team took a lot of criticism for the way they handled the David Reynolds situation this year when Reynolds wanted out. And when they held the "Shannons Supercar Showdown" (a reality television show where the winner raced a wildcard entry at Bathurst), most of the show seemed geared towards the Kellys and how awesome they were (and their final choice, Cameron Waters, was a young driver whose career they could control the way they couldn't control Reynolds' career). I think there's also something of a perception that Kelly Racing only exists to give them a drive.

peter_vod69
gimmicky crap like the above-mentioned qualifying race rubbish at Albert Park doesn't help either.
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They can get away with it because the Australian Grand Prix is a non-championship round.
 
GRM's asymmetrical (?) livery:

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prisonermonkeys
They can get away with it because the Australian Grand Prix is a non-championship round.
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Meh, they do what they want to make it an even bigger circus than it already is. It stopped being about the racing years ago. I mean come on, PINK as your marketing figurehead?!! Hogs Breath all over everything, reduced grids, more street circuits where the modus operandi is "simpler is better" and "just chuck some tyre-chicanes on the straight bits to make crashes happen". Scarcely recognisable cars! Everything 400 or 500 (even if it's spread over two races or seven, or three reverse grids with a sack race in between each), as if it's some pathetic nascar cowboy-hat wearing wanna-be series. It's pathetic.
 
peter_vod69
I mean come on, PINK as your marketing figurehead?!!
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This Is How It Goes Down is actually a pretty decent song.

peter_vod69
Hogs Breath all over everything,
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Because they're a sponsor. Oh noes! Team Vodafone has Vodafone all over it!

peter_vod69
reduced grids,
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Because VESA feel that 28 cars is the maximum that is feasible right now. They had 32 cars a few years ago, but withdrew some of the RECs because the smaller teams couldn't handle it, and the larger teams were unwilling to expand.

peter_vod69
more street circuits
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They're cheaper and easier to set up than permanent circuits, and once the race is over, you can use the streets for other things instead of just having them sit there.

peter_vod69
Scarcely recognisable cars!
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The body shells are clearly modelled on their road-going counterparts.

peter_vod69
Everything 400 or 500 (even if it's spread over two races or seven, or three reverse grids with a sack race in between each), as if it's some pathetic nascar cowboy-hat wearing wanna-be series.
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The numbers relate to the distance of the event. I'd much prefer some "pathetic nascar cowboy-hat wearing wanna-be series" where the race takes place over 400km compared to the model used by the WTCC where the total race distance for the event is just over 100km. That's right - in the first event of the 2011 season, the WTCC had two fourteen-lap races of a 3.69km circuit. Compare that to the 2011 Clipsal 500, which had two 250km races - each one was five times longer than the races the WTCC held.

peter_vod69
It's pathetic.
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Then don't watch it.
 
Thank you, Mr Cochrane. Way to miss the point by the way, which is that it used to be about racing, now it seems to be just about marketing and gimmickry. I mean, if it's the LibraFleur HeavyDays 400, shouldn't it be a 400km endurance event rather than god-knows how many mini-enduros? Time was the regular season built toward a logical conclusion (ie one or two big endurance races) with the Bathurst 1000km as the finale. I dunno, I guess I just don't like the lowest-common-denominator stuff that seems to be the focus these days. It's less about racing and more about "the show".
 
peter_vod69
Thank you, Mr Cochrane. Way to miss the point by the way, which is that it used to be about racing, now it seems to be just about marketing and gimmickry. I mean, if it's the LibraFleur HeavyDays 400, shouldn't it be a 400km endurance event rather than god-knows how many mini-enduros? Time was the regular season built toward a logical conclusion (ie one or two big endurance races) with the Bathurst 1000km as the finale. I dunno, I guess I just don't like the lowest-common-denominator stuff that seems to be the focus these days. It's less about racing and more about "the show".
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That's their campaign, it's 'The greatest show on wheels'
The ads are just embarrassing with pink and 'the show'. Some of the painful advertising probably has something to do with channel 7 though, which would make sense as to why it is so bad
 
Their contract was up at the end of this season anyway.
 
True, but Holden fans evidently expected them to stay with Holden because they had always used Holdens. It's like when Craig Lowndes went to Ford, and all the Holden fans called him a traitor - and then told Ford fans they had no right to complain when Triple Eight defected to Holden.
 
Wasn't there a four-door GT-R planned for Infiniti a few years ago? They could use that.

Hold on, I found it. Still a rumor, but if they are planning on announcing a "new" car, then this could potentially be it. Though that is a very old link.

I would like to see a GT-R back in the category, though I very much doubt it would be.

The other problem with a four door GT-R is a road going version. If what Prisonermonkeys said a few pages back, about the car having to have sold 10,000 production units, then I don't think a $160,000+ supercar is going to be able to compete in the market with family saloons, the most expensive of which is not even 100k.
 
That's a four year old report, and claims that the car is expected in 2011, but it never showed up. Besides, in order to compete in V8 Supercars, a car must sell a minimum of 10,000 road-going versions.

It's believed that Nissan will enter as Nissan - not Infiniti - and will use the Altima, which is set to replace the Maxima.
 
prisonermonkeys
That's a four year old report, and claims that the car is expected in 2011, but it never showed up. Besides, in order to compete in V8 Supercars, a car must sell a minimum of 10,000 road-going versions.

It's believed that Nissan will enter as Nissan - not Infiniti - and will use the Altima, which is set to replace the Maxima.
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Ironically, the rumors have recently resurfaced... Considering that the time of the old rumors aligns with right around the time that Nissan started contemplating it's return to Australian Touring car racing... it might be that the car is linked? That's a long shot though.

Main point is the rumors are alive again.
 
I still don't think it's going to happen. And if it does, then I doubt they're going to use it for V8 Supercars. Ford and Holden use the Falcon and Commodore, large passenger cars that are among their best-sellers (though that has changed over the past few years). Given the trends in the market - smaller cars have become more popular - I don't think there's really a place for a four-door sports car like the GT-R in the category.
 
I am pretty certain a four door GT-R will never happen, Carlos Ghosn would never allow it and I doubt Mizuno-san would care for it either, not with R35 models atleast.

A Infiniti version of the [2 door] GT-R could happen though.
 
And as a two-door, an Infiniti GT-R would be ineligible under Car of the Future. So if you want to continue this avenue of discussion, I suggest it moves over here.
 
prisonermonkeys
And as a two-door, an Infiniti GT-R would be ineligible under Car of the Future.
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Well aware of that and thats the point of my post, no sedan, no V8 Supercars.
 
prisonermonkeys
I still don't think it's going to happen. And if it does, then I doubt they're going to use it for V8 Supercars. Ford and Holden use the Falcon and Commodore, large passenger cars that are among their best-sellers (though that has changed over the past few years). Given the trends in the market - smaller cars have become more popular - I don't think there's really a place for a four-door sports car like the GT-R in the category.
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Im not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me here, I also think it is very unlikely to happen, but am hoping that it could.
 
I was disagreeing. I was saying that even if a four-door GT-R does get made, I don't think it would be used in V8 Supercars.
 
Thought the Norton car was going to have black wheels?
 
It's just a pre-season test. There's still three weeks until the Clipsal.
 
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From the Sandown test. I don't think this is Webb's full livery for this year but it looks cool though...
 
prisonermonkeys
It's believed that Nissan will enter as Nissan - not Infiniti - and will use the Altima, which is set to replace the Maxima.
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It seems logical, 4 door family sedan.
Nissan would be trying to promote this car via V8 supercars to get more sales, in the dominant Australian Commodore/Falcon country.

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/53079/2013-nissan-altima-spied-testing

I'm expecting to see that one compete. But doesn't the production car have to have an 8 cyclinder engine?

And to be honest, i was expecting Toyota to enter a camry first.
 
PAWEL17
I'm expecting to see that one compete. But doesn't the production car have to have an 8 cyclinder engine?
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Yes, therefore it will NOT be the Altima. That is their mid-size sedan, no way they would put a V8 in it. Now, the Maxima (not being replaced by the Altima) could possibly get a V8. But then again, back to what I posted before, Nissan says this car will be "all new" so there's a chance it won't be the Maxima either.
 
R1600Turbo
Yes, therefore it will NOT be the Altima. That is their mid-size sedan, no way they would put a V8 in it. Now, the Maxima (not being replaced by the Altima) could possibly get a V8. But then again, back to what I posted before, Nissan says this car will be "all new" so there's a chance it won't be the Maxima either.
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Ahuh, i see. Interesting, i was kind of hoping it was atleast a Maxima, since i drive one. Hehe. But i'll be supporting Nissan either way, because of the long family history of Nissan's in our family.
I'm all for expansion and new cars, and glad a Nissan is involved.
 
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