Honda Cup Race 4: Civic SiR-II (EG) at Opera Paris (Results)

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Honda Cup Race 4
Honda Civic SiR-II (EG) '95 at Opera Paris

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[As always, if anyone would like to volunteer to take a picture, it will go here :)]
Thank you for the lovely picture, viperin!
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Race Specifics

  • Arcade Mode Time Trial - hotlap
  • Power: 0% (166 HP)
  • Weight: -10% (936 kg)
  • Tire Type: N3 (RD or Road)
  • Driving aids and transmission mode are open.
  • Standard OLR cleanliness rules apply: Since this is a city course, only contact with walls will invalidate your run. Rumble strips and areas behind them are all part of the track.
  • Please PM me your final time by Tuesday September 22 by 11:59 pm GMT (world clock).

Series Information and General Rules

  • All six races will be run in Arcade Mode and each will last one week, with a submission deadline of Tuesday at 11:59 PM GMT.
  • The cars used will be a variety of Hondas, mostly road cars on standard (N) tires, but with race cars appearing as well. Make sure you have all Hondas, used and new, unlocked in Arcade Mode, because few of the cars I will use are available from the beginning.
  • Standard OLR cleanliness rules apply: Two wheels must be in contact with the track at all times; rumble strips are part of the track; no contact with walls allowed at any time.
  • Discussion of times in the race thread during the week will be limited to split times (T1, T2). Lap times are not to be discussed and must be submitted to me by PM before the week's deadline.
  • Please save your best lap replay just in case I request proof, which is unlikely but possible. Generally, no proof will be necessary for the winner or for anyone else; however, I reserve the right to request a photo of a time if I am suspicious of it.
  • Each race will award points towards the overall championship standings to all who submit a clean lap/race time, with the winner receiving 10 points, second place 8, third place 6, and fourth on down each separated by 1 point (5, 4, 3, etc.). No points will be awarded to a non-submitting driver. You do not have to announce your participation in the championship beforehand: anyone may participate in a race and be counted into the championship points, even if you do not plan on running all the races; similarly, there is no obligation to participate in every race. The driver with the most points at the end of the six races will win the championship.

I sure hope that you all like FF cars on city tracks. :scared: This combo actually is quite different from the Tokyo one, as the track is much slower and the car handles much less conventionally. It exhibits the inexplicable Honda FF throttle oversteer in second gear, which makes for an interesting challenge in the tight confines of Opera Paris: do you use the phenomenon to rotate the car in sharp corners, or is it faster to keep it accelerating on a normal line? It's up to you to find out! By the way, the Civic appears frequently in the used car lots, but if for some reason you are very pressed for time and can't obtain it, you can substitute the '91, '92, or '93 model of the same car if you have one of them. Have fun! :)

Leaderboard
Code: 
Austin343    19.345 - 57.319
raz_10       19.543 - 58.053
InsaneRacer  19.637 - 58.353
MadMax86     19.585 - 58.433
GTsail290    19.597 - 58.614
Pitracer100  20.328 - 58.654 ('91)
viperin      20.160 - 58.675
oldmodelt    20.149 - 1'00.693


Results
Code: 
Austin343    1'42.027
InsaneRacer  1'43.729
MadMax86     1'43.896
GTsail290    1'43.964
viperin      1'44.556
raz_10       1'45.083
oldmodelt    1'47.713
Pitracer100  DQ - wrong settings


Championship Standings
Code: 
Driver       Race 1   Race 2   Race 3   Race 4   Race 5   Race 6   Total
Austin343      10       10       10       10                        40
MadMax86       8        8        8        6                         30
InsaneRacer    6        0        5        8                         19
oldmodelt      1        6        3        2                         12
GTsail290      0        0        6        5                         11
raz_10         4        0        0        3                         7
Pitracer100    1        0        4        0                         5
LancerEvo7GSR  5        0        0        0                         5
viperin        0        0        0        4                         4
KidrauhlM5     3        0        0        0                         3
paddycars1     2        0        0        0                         2
 
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I am kind of liking the physics to this car. Funny because its a FF car which I am usually an anti-FF driver.:D The long shift from gear 2 to 3 is causing problems.:irked: I used the substitute '91 Civic which got me a
T1: 20.238
T2: 58.654
 
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It's definitely an addictive combo. :dopey: I think you forgot your T2 split, unless you had a good T1 and then clipped a wall somewhere.

After an hour or two, I have a 19.345 - 57.319. I've gone as low as 19.191 in T1, and had an even better one going once before overbraking for the left-hander before the split, turning it into a .193. This lap was very good by my standards after T1, and there's a chance it will be my final lap.

I'm taking advantage of the car's on-throttle rotation in the hairpin and sometimes in the second-to-last corner, but otherwise, I don't find it helpful. Also, don't forget that if you're aiming for a good lap, you don't have to do the final corner of the previous lap like you would on a timed lap, nor do you have to set up for the first corner of the following lap. So you can go extremely wide in the round corner before your lap starts and take a fairly straight line to the left-hand side of the start-finish line, so that you can be above 65 mph at the start of the lap and make sure that you aren't still moving leftward to set up the car for the corner. You can also use the full width of the track exiting the final corner of a timed lap, so that you don't lose time moving to the left, taking a longer and slower route to the finish. 👍
 
Austin343
It's definitely an addictive combo. :dopey: I think you forgot your T2 split, unless you had a good T1 and then clipped a wall somewhere.

After an hour or two, I have a 19.345 - 57.319. I've gone as low as 19.191 in T1, and had an even better one going once before overbraking for the left-hander before the split, turning it into a .193. This lap was very good by my standards after T1, and there's a chance it will be my final lap.

I'm taking advantage of the car's on-throttle rotation in the hairpin and sometimes in the second-to-last corner, but otherwise, I don't find it helpful. Also, don't forget that if you're aiming for a good lap, you don't have to do the final corner of the previous lap like you would on a timed lap, nor do you have to set up for the first corner of the following lap. So you can go extremely wide in the round corner before your lap starts and take a fairly straight line to the left-hand side of the start-finish line, so that you can be above 65 mph at the start of the lap and make sure that you aren't still moving leftward to set up the car for the corner. You can also use the full width of the track exiting the final corner of a timed lap, so that you don't lose time moving to the left, taking a longer and slower route to the finish. 👍
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I'll use that to my advantage:trouble:
Anyways I'll always get a little drift going on the last loop to the finish.👍
 
Austin343 - You've picked a challenging car/track combination for this round.

My split times so far are 19.925 and 59.411. The second half of my lap was just terrible. But I'm not surprised because it took me quite a while to beat Mission 13. I can see that more practice is necessary.

Just have a corner worker wave a blue flag if I'm slowing any of the rest of you down on your hot laps.

Good luck to everyone.

GTsail290
 
First session splits:

T1 19.585
T2 58.433


MadMax
 
First laps (could be my only laps :()

T1 - 19.543 (19.4xx)
T2 - 58.053 (57.9xx)

I ran the 95 civic first then tried the 93. I like the way the 93 handles better, but just to be certain I went back to the 95 and got these splits.
:cheers:
 
GTsail290
Just have a corner worker wave a blue flag if I'm slowing any of the rest of you down on your hot laps.
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I should be so lucky. j/k

20.149 - 1'00.693. I just need to tighten up my 2nd T area. I'd be happy under 1'00. It seems very doable.
 
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After another 20 laps or so, I've improved my times on the city streets of Paris to: 19.725 and 59.169 I cracked 59 seconds on another lap but hit the wall so it doesn't count. There was some damage to the headlight and bumper cover, so my pit crew is replacing the unit so my Honda will pass tech inspection before my next test run. My pit crew didn't want to make the repair (I think they were hungover from last night), but I told them it would be an unfair advantage if my Honda was 100kg's lighter due to the missing bumper cover and headlight assembly.

Right now I'm getting in the "zone" by chilling out at the Louve.


GTsail290
 
GTsail290
Right now I'm getting in the "zone" by chilling out at the Louve.GTsail290
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You realize you are required to post pics of your trip. It's a rule or something like that. I read it under the FAQ's. Otherwise Daan will be after you. j/k
 
oldmodelt
You realize you are required to post pics of your trip. It's a rule or something like that. I read it under the FAQ's. Otherwise Daan will be after you. j/k
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:lol: Or I will be after you!
 
G'Day all.
Just in case I do not get another opportunity to trim my times here is my progress so far.

Started off nice and cautious, as is my usual method, but was rather slow.
Realised I should shed some weight, so dumped all that luggage I had found at the Airport.
Much better.

Here I am passing the "Place Vendome Column" (another famous Gallic symbol).
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T1 20.16
T2 58.675
Had a few laps where I was in the 19 's for T1 but crashed out at the fast left hander.
Above splits on a lap where I wimped out and actually made it round :nervous:

Later.
 
Another 20 to 25 laps and I've improved my split times to 19.597 and 58.614 which are about the best I can do. The T2 time could have been slightly better but I had to stop to pick up luggage. I can see where another second is possible by a more precise driver, but I'm afraid that that driver is not behind the wheel of my Honda.

GTsail290
 
There's quite a logjam around the 58.6 mark for T2. :scared: I think, though, that Pitracer might have misremembered the number of his seconds in his split time, and would actually have a 59.654, because his T1 is quite a bit slower than either of yours is. I'll try out the '91 for myself, though, to see whether it's far faster between the two split times than the '95 is.
 
Austin343
There's quite a logjam around the 58.6 mark for T2. :scared: I think, though, that Pitracer might have misremembered the number of his seconds in his split time, and would actually have a 59.654, because his T1 is quite a bit slower than either of yours is. I'll try out the '91 for myself, though, to see whether it's far faster between the two split times than the '95 is.
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Definitely, competition is tough this week.:nervous: Just what I love! ;)
Took me forever to get a 19 t1 after I somehow got one my 2nd time out. :dunce: Now I just need to figure out t1-t2. :grumpy:
19.637 58.353
 
Considering I've only got about 5-8 laps in I'm pleased with my progress. Hope to put in more mon-tues before deadline. Ran into a time crunch on Tourist Trophy.

edit: Ran 10 more laps. Improved about .300. Time submitted.
 
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Time sent in...no time to improve...I think I got too caught up in the T's that I left the final sector with tons of time. I may not have a good run.

GL all :cheers:
 
Submitted 1st session results.



MadMax
 
Anyone, please notify me if your PM "bounced." I was horrified to log in to find my PM box 100% full, unable to accept any more submissions. :scared: So if you couldn't submit, I'll accepts a submission after the deadline because the inability to submit was completely my fault.
 
Austin343
Anyone, please notify me if your PM "bounced." I was horrified to log in to find my PM box 100% full, unable to accept any more submissions. :scared: So if you couldn't submit, I'll accepts a submission after the deadline because the inability to submit was completely my fault.
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As of right now mine has not been confirmed. Maybe you just have not read it
 
Yes, I think I received all submissions. Congratulations to Pitracer100 and InsaneRacer for great podium times, to everyone for once again avoiding all of the walls in these narrow streets. 👍 There were some really close times, too.

I actually am going to request verification this week. Pitracer, you seem to have performed far above your usual level, so could you please confirm that your car had 0% (166) HP? If so, I would like a picture of your time. If you had the settings correct, then either you took really well to this car and track, or the '91 model significantly outperformed its younger brother.

I'll see whether I can get the camera tonight. If not, then the video will have to wait until the weekend. 👍
 
:grumpy::banghead::dunce: I forgot to verify my time. Does my time go void?:scared: I used 166 HP.
 
Well, you should always save your replay, if I haven't been making that clear. Ordinarily, I wouldn't request verification, but you just seemed to be unusually fast this week. So if you didn't save your replay, and therefore can't take a picture of the Replay Theater screen, I would, unfortunately, be inclined to disqualify you. :indiff: However, I think I should test the '91 a little more and see whether it does, in fact, outperform the newer model. If it does, then your time will stand, and I will learn not to allow extra cars without testing them first to see whether they're better than the one I intended. :dunce:

Perhaps there should be a consensus vote on this, as well. I don't want to be a draconian administrator, heedless to what everyone else thinks.

Edit: As far as I can tell, the older car is not faster than the newer one. It might be on par, but it's somewhat less oversteery handling made it a bit slower for me in a few testing laps. I am an idiot, though, for not realizing that the older car only has 163 HP when stock, not 166. :dunce:

Edit 2: My lap. The first sector was mediocre, and parts of the rest look slow or sloppy, but I could never match this lap once I set it.

 
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Nice lap, viperin. 👍 It really isn't easy to spot what's "wrong" with your lap; the only overarching way you lost time that I could distinguish was not having enough exit speed, often by taking lines that made it hard to be smooth on exit. Still, the fact that a lap that looked that good ended up sixth is a testament to how high the quality of driving is for all participants. :)
 
Great race everyone!

Except for Austin343 (great job as usual:tup:), we almost all crossed the finish line at the same time!

We're lucky that the track widens at the finish line or there would have been a multi-car crash and Oldmodelt would have driven by for a second place finish.

Well, see you all at SS Route 5. BTW does anyone have directions on how to get to SSRt5? My travel agent does not seem to recognize the location.

Austin343 - Do you need to see my finishing time? I saved replay's of my three best laps: 1.43.964, 1.44.032 and 1.44.248, and could send you a picture of them. I don't have anyway of sending you a replay. I will try to buy a "Max Drive" this weekend, so in the future I will be able to send them to you. Unless someone recommends a better way of transmitting replays.

GTsail290
 
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Please, GTsail, save the money and don't buy a Max drive. Unless you planned to use it in other games, there will be no use for it in GT4 any more, because no series (including mine) will require replays in raw form. And on the PS3, a regular USB stick can be used for the same purpose, so there will be no use for it in GT5. Also, since it posts a file that only a PS2 can read, only someone who himself owns a Max drive will be able to use the file you post. If you really want people to be able to watch your lap, get either a capture card or a camera that can take videos and upload to Youtube or some other site. I want to be absolutely clear that the only proof I will ever request is a simple photo, and that would only be in a circumstance like this one with Pitracer. It is simple to do and generally does not require spending money.

Pitracer, GTsail had a very good idea for verification of your time if you didn't save the replay. Re-race under the same conditions, get the best lap you can (which should match what you submitted), and take a photo of that. If you can't take a photo, then I would be dubious of the time and would try to get a consensus from the rest of the participants as to whether or not to let your time stand.
 
I apologize for the double post, but Pitracer has retried and found that he likely used a substantial power increase for his submitted run, since he could only get a 1'46.9xx on an attempt he just made with the correct settings. I appreciate your honesty, but I'm afraid you will be disqualified for this round. :( There are no hard feelings, though, and of course, you can run rounds 5 and 6 without any penalty or extra suspicion 👍
 
Nice lap once again Austin343 👍
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MadMax
 
Pitracer100. It happened to me in this race. I exited the race. Got distracted and then ran it again after changing to MT. Figured it would help me and one race wouldn't aggravate my CT too bad. 2nd lap I was down in the low 59's at T2 and finished in a low 1'46.xxx!!!

I thought wow! I should be doing this and to H*** with the wrists. Then I watched the replay and realized that I hadn't changed tires when I adusted the cars wt. and was using SM tires. :banghead:

Just forget it and move on. Save Save Save. You've got plenty of room on that card. When it gets full. Do what Austin343 and I did. Buy another one.
 
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