Classic Gran Turismo Championship! Very bare idea, need help!

Who over here ever played these games?



For those who didn't, you guys are missing out, for those who did, remember how fun it was, hours of racing even in single player?

The Idea:


Main idea is make a true old GT race in GT5!

How?
I've thought about a championship where only Japanese cars, 1999 or older are allowed, ah, detail, they have to be also featured in GT1 and GT2. So, a Isuzu Piazza will not be welcome!

So, basically i am talking about NSX's, RX-7's, Supras, 3000GT's, Imprezas, Skylines, 300ZX's, etc.

The race would have a considerable amount of laps, not enough for pitting-in though and tuning will be prohibted!

Tracks:
Original GT tracks, Grand Valley, Special Stage R5, etc.


Problems:
1. This will not happen very soon, December for sure, or maybe later, will depend on you guys and my own schudle.
2. Some cars are well known for being better, like, a stock 3000GT is waaaaaaaaay slower than a stock NSX.


All races would be done in same day, with reverse grid set on. Points will be given to the racers, and at the end, someone will be a winner. Prizes will be sent (In GT5), merely as an thanks for participating, though, it will be cool, i promise.

Car list: (may change)
1 - Acura NSX '91
2 - Honda NSX Type S '97
3 - Mazda Éfini RX-7 Type R (FD) '91
4 - Mazda RX-7 Type RS (FD) '98
5 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV GSR '96
6 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution V GSR '98
7 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR '99
8 - Mitsubishi GTO (3000GT) Twin Turbo MR '95
9 - Mitsubishi GTO (3000GT) Twin Turbo MR '98
10- Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec II (R32) '94
11- Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (R33) '97
12- Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (R34) '99
13- Nissan Fairlady Z (300ZX) Version S TT 2seater (Z32) '98
14- Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi Version III '96
15- Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STi Version VI '99
16- Toyota Supra RZ '97

Track list: (may change)
1 - Grand Valley East
2 - Autumn Ring
3 - Clubman Stage Route 5
4 - High Speed Ring
5 - Trial Mountain
6 - Deep Forest
7 - Special Stage Route 5
8 - Grand Valley Speedway

Tires:
Sport Hard

Race rules:
Clean racing.
Penalty will not be added, so, really, race clean, otherwise will result in getting kicked from the championship.
And all the others GTP rules.


Add info:
If we get more than 16 people interested, a waiting line will be created, once a player get kicked, for not respecting the rules, the first driver on the waiting list will take his place and points.

For now this is all, i am open for suggestions and ideas, also, i really need help with this, because i want it to be awesome! If i remember anything else, or think about, i will update this post.

Attention!
If you ever join this series, you will automatically accept with the compromise of never quit a race. Even if you are 2 laps behind. If you quit, you will be kicked out of the championship.

Internet disconnections will be tolerated, but whatever other reason it is... bye bye.

The idea is valid. I suggest to be provided a full carlist from GT1...
By the way, why GT1 and not GT2?

GT1 Carlist
GT2 Carlist

Because test all those cars, make a parameter to choose which car should use which tire will take a long time.

But yes, could be GT1 and GT2...

💡 DarkAvenger, I really, really like your idea of a GT1 tribute series. In fact, I made a reference list of GT1 cars that are also in GT5. You may find it helpful.

Most of the cars are between 350 and 450 PP without tuning. The 2 TVR cars are close to 500. You may want to think about capping PP at a little over 450 (after breaking in and oil change) and have stock ~450 PP cars and tuned ~350 PP cars. Another idea is to cap it at around 500 PP and have stock TVRs take on modified under-450 cars. It's not a bad idea to have no tuning allowed to make the series more accessible, but GT1 did have a lot of tuning options even back then.

Lazy Liquid

By the way, why GT1 and not GT2?

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GT1 had 140 cars and GT2 had 500. It should be easier to manage a series with fewer car options. The point of this series would be for "old" and "new" GT1 players to experience it again, but with 16 cars on track, HDMI graphics, and online play.

It is best to start small and work out any potential issues with GT1 cars only. Later on a series with the car pool of GT2 could be attempted with the experience of running a GT1 series helping to make managing more cars and tracks less difficult.

I get the following list:

Acura NSX Coupe '97
Acura NSX '91
Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Coupe '97
Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport (C4) '96
Honda Civic SiR-II (EG) '93
Honda Civic Type R (EK) '97
Honda CR-X del Sol SiR '92
Honda Integra Type R (DC2) '95
Honda NSX '90
Honda NSX '97
Honda NSX Type R '92
Honda NSX Type S '97
Honda NSX Type S Zero '97
Honda Prelude Si VTEC '91
Honda Prelude SiR '96
Honda Prelude Type S '96
Mazda Lantis Coupe 2000 Type R '93
Mazda Éfini RX-7 Type R (FD) '91
Mazda Efini RX-7 Type RZ (FD) '96
Mazda Eunos Roadster S-Special I (NA) '95
Mazda Eunos Roadster V-Special II (NA) '93
Mazda MX-5 (NA) '89
Mazda MX-5 Miata (NA) '89
Mazda MX-5 Miata S-Special I (NA) '95
Mazda MX-5 Miata V-Special II (NA) '93
Mazda MX-5 S-Special I (NA) '95
Mazda MX-5 V-Special II (NA) '93
Mazda RX-7 GT-X (FC) '90
Mazda RX-7 GT-X (FC, J) '90
Mazda Savanna RX-7 Infini III (FC) '90
Mitsubishi 3000GT MR '95
Mitsubishi 3000GT SR '95
Mitsubishi 3000GT SR '96
Mitsubishi Eclipse GT '95
Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R '97
Mitsubishi FTO GPX '94
Mitsubishi FTO GPX '97
Mitsubishi FTO GR '94
Mitsubishi FTO GR '97
Mitsubishi Galant 2.0 DOHC Turbo VR-4 '89
Mitsubishi GTO SR '95
Mitsubishi GTO SR '96
Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo '95
Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo '96
Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo MR '95
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution III GSR '95
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV GSR '96
Nissan 180SX Type X '96
Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX Version S TT 2seater (Z32) '98
Nissan Primera 2.0Te '90
Nissan SilEighty '98
Nissan Silvia K's (S13) '88
Nissan Silvia K's (S13) '91
Nissan Silvia Ks Aero (S14) '96
Nissan Silvia Qs (S13) '88
Nissan Silvia Qs (S13) '91
Nissan Silvia Qs Aero (S14) '96
Nissan Skyline GT-R (R32) '89
Nissan Skyline GT-R (R32) '91
Nissan Skyline GT-R (R33) '95
Nissan Skyline GT-R (R33) '97
Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (R32) '93
Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (R33) '95
Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (R33) '97
Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec II (R32) '94
Nissan Skyline GTS25 Type S (R32) '91
Nissan Skyline GTS-t Type M (R32) '91
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi '94
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi Version II '95
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi Version III '96
Subaru Legacy Touring Wagon GT-B '96
Toyota Celica GT-Four (ST205) '98
Toyota Celica SS-II (ST202) '97
Toyota Corolla Levin GT-Apex (AE86) '83
Toyota MR2 G-Limited '97
Toyota MR2 GT-S '97
Toyota Soarer 2.5GT-T '97
Toyota Sprinter Trueno GT-Apex '83
Toyota Starlet Glanza V '97
Toyota Supra 2.5GT Twin Turbo R '90
Toyota Supra 3.0GT Turbo A '88
Toyota Supra RZ '97
Toyota Supra SZ-R '97
TVR Cerbera Speed 6 '97
TVR Griffith 500 '94

You could possibly run just a HP and weight restriction and separate points by drivetrain class such as 4WD & 2WD

Max non tuned HP is 339 for the Cerbera Speed 6
Min non tuned HP is 114 for the MX-5 (NA) '89's
Max non tuned KG is 1710 for the Twin Turbo GTO's from 95-6
Min non tuned KG is 920 for the Starlet

If you split class by 4WD & 2WD, you could run a higher weight on the 4WD class and try the following restrictions:

4WD
Max Power-297HP (or the closest a room can be restricted to)
Min Weight-1430KG

2WD
Max Power- 276HP (or the closest a room can be restricted to)
Min Weight- 1120KG (although some of the heavier cars might not be able to get to this weight, so you could raise it and eliminate some of the smaller cars ie starlet, mx-5, corolla, civic.
You may want to see what weight reduction can bring the heavy 2WD cars down to ie camaro, soarer, supra, fairlady)

I appreciate the idea guys, but let's be honest, how more we complicate it, less people will follow the rules. I want too open for all sort of cars and allow tunning. But, how we will control? If, this were in a closed group of friends that you can trust, it can be an awesome idea and work fine.

So, to keep it simple, tuning is better prohibted, that would make things a LOT easier. Second, as i said, i want to focus on Japanese Vehicles, because they are a bit better balanced with the 276hp limit.

Even in that situation, the NSX would totally smash every other car, i have tested it myself, and i simply do not want a grid filled with NSX's! For the sake of the fun of this! I agree, allow tuning would partially solve this, but then again, this will be open for public. I simply can not let it open and count with people good will.

But i was thinking about something like this, that i need to test afterwards.

Only sport hard allowed. NSX's get in the track.
Allow sport medium while the NSX's are on track. (If any NSX quit at this point, will be kicked)
3000GT's and slower cars get in the track.
Allow sport soft while everyone still on track, again, if anyone quit, will be kicked.
Now the slower vehicles get in, i am thinking about S2000's and MR-2's.

Race starts.

The problem on doing this is test every car and see which one will use which tire.

Even with tuning prohibted it is still complicated to organize.


Edit: Also, racing stock cars, it eliminates the setup thing, every NSX will be the same. So, main difference will be your car choice and driver ability! Lol

hatfield

I get the following list:

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Thank you, did you make the list yourself or get it somewhere else? That is 12 cars for me to add to my own list. There was some naming confusion on my end because the Acura/Honda cars were renamed or slightly changed for my NTSC game. A few other notes:

-Acura NSX Coupe '97 - not in GT1
-Mitsubishi 3000GT - another name for GTO, same car otherwise. 3000GT/GTO MR '95 is in GT1, but not GT5.
-Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi '94 - I kept checking but 3 GT1 car lists doesn't have the first WRX STi in it, but versions II and III are in both games.

DarkAvengerZR1

Even in that situation, the NSX would totally smash every other car, i have tested it myself, and i simply do not want a grid filled with NSX's! For the sake of the fun of this! I agree, allow tuning would partially solve this, but then again, this will be open for public. I simply can not let it open and count with people good will.

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Perhaps you could set it up so picking a car model is first come and first served. The first person to sign up can pick any NSX he wants, and the next person would need to pick a different model (such as, for example, Lancer Evolution). It would be easy to regulate by using this site's message board. It is how other leagues that limit 2 of the same car do it.

BFBullpup

Perhaps you could set it up so picking a car model is first come and first served. The first person to sign up can pick any NSX he wants, and the next person would need to pick a different model (such as, for example, Lancer Evolution). It would be easy to regulate by using this site's message board. It is how other leagues that limits 2 of the same car do it.

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This is a good idea. But i still want to make it *more fair*. lol But yes, that might be added as a rule, yes.

Edit: If someone could start testing the cars, by doing lap times and seeing if the tires will give it waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much advantage... i will really appreciate. Lol

BFBullpup

Thank you, did you make the list yourself or get it somewhere else? That is 12 cars for me to add to my own list. There was some naming confusion on my end because the Acura/Honda cars were renamed or slightly changed for my NTSC game. A few other notes:

-Acura NSX Coupe '97 - not in GT1
-Mitsubishi 3000GT - another name for GTO, same car otherwise. 3000GT/GTO MR '95 is in GT1, but not GT5.
-Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi '94 - I kept checking but 3 GT1 car lists doesn't have the first WRX STi in it, but versions II and III are in both games.

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I have a full car list from somewhere in an Excel, then I just matched with the GT1 carlist

If you run all of them stock and only change tire types, I don't think it will work.

If you don't want complicated, then just make one HP and KG limit (you can include drivetrain limit if you like).

Then people pick cars, and you run races. Make multiple races for an event and have reverse grids. Just because you have the fastest car does not mean you will win.

You have to be a better driver, and be able to navigate through the traffic without damaging your own car or getting penalties.

Take a look at my series I just started running if you like:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=267822

That is why i need to test, i or someone else, since i cant play right now. :c

Here's my idea:

So that there is a diverse grid, there will be "teams" competing for a team championship. Each team will have different cars, so Mazda would have the RX-7, Nissan would have the Skyline, Honda has the NSX, and so forth. They will compete for their own separate championship, with the points that each driver earns being added to the team points total.

Say that we have 6 teams (Honda, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Subaru, Toyota). We will have Team Honda have 2 NSX's since they are the best of the 6 choices. The next best manufacturer would have 2 cars, and the rest would have 3. That allows for people to choose other cars rather than the most powerful.

So, i've got a list of a few cars that i consider good enough to have a good fun race. So, everyone would pick one of those, everyone would have a different car, and i think i will change it to a one day championship, 5 laps each circuit (like a good old style GT tournament) with reverse grid.

Car list:
1 - Acura NSX '91
2 - Honda NSX Type S '97
3 - Mazda Éfini RX-7 Type R (FD) '91
4 - Mazda RX-7 Type RS (FD) '98
5 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV GSR '96
6 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution V GSR '98
7 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR '99
8 - Mitsubishi GTO (3000GT) Twin Turbo MR '95
9 - Mitsubishi GTO (3000GT) Twin Turbo MR '98
10- Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec II (R32) '94
11- Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (R33) '97
12- Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (R34) '99
13- Nissan Fairlady Z (300ZX) Version S TT 2seater (Z32) '98
14- Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi Version III '96
15- Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STi Version VI '99
16- Toyota Supra RZ '97

Track list:
1 - Grand Valley East
2 - Autumn Ring
3 - Clubman Stage Route 5
4 - High Speed Ring
5 - Trial Mountain
6 - Deep Forest
7 - Special Stage Route 5
8 - Grand Valley Speedway

Tires would be Sport hard type. Not sure on how the cars will be chosen or the process about it.

I'm interested.

If I could add something ,

I'd suggest mixmatching tyres for all cars.

In GT1 it didn't take much to spin a RWD car on corner exit ,
especially MR drivetrain cars were so likely to oversteer that you wouldn't even consider racing them in stock (race cars were an exeption)

4WD's were the weapon of choise. (stock GTO LM and FTO LM come to mind)

Tuned FF's were better than tuned FR's on same power level.
In many cases even stock FF's could outrun FR's .


So , what I'm saying is that all cars could have higher grade tyres on front than at the rear.
Optionally comfort soft tyres could be used to bring out the car characteristics better.
MR's will still need to be punished a little to make them match GT1 physics better


(In GT1 manual/there is text that suggest fitting higher grade tyres at rear on MR cars )



MadMax

I could see this being run on a regular basis. Why not turn it into a weekly "A-spec classic series" where you change the cars up and such? Each week could have a different event named after the old ones such as, " Clubman Cup
Light-weight "K" Cup
Muscle Car Cup
Pure Sports Car Cup
"

I know that's getting ahead of things so of course it's important to keep this first concept simple for the sake of getting it going. I've always loved the idea of doing a "champion in a day" type of event, it would be a lot of fun if organized well and done swiftly. Seems like you've got a handle on the organizational side of things (and a lot of it is already done for you, i.e. the track and car choices are no-brainers) so all that's left is setting things up so they're easy enough for people to jump in, 'cause with these sorts of spot race events, most people like to jump onboard last minute.

Also, I don't think a team championship's necessary and it detracts from the aim of this event, which is simple classic GT racing.

So you're putting a limit of one car each, so it's first come first serve? In that list of cars you have there's a couple that would really dominate like the WRXs and GT-Rs but I'm fine with it since the spirit of this series would be more about just racing than every one trying to outdo eachother.

I'd be onboard depending on the day.

@Max
That's a great idea, it'll especially work out well for this series since it's just sprint racing and no stops. Because the only danger is people going into the pits and taking better tires than they're supposed to.

That would also be a great way of equalizing the different cars so some aren't super dominant as they can be if all the cars were on Sport Hards or S1s.

As long as you check all the tires in the lobby before a race starts, it'll be no problem.

MadMax86

I'm interested.

If I could add something ,

I'd suggest mixmatching tyres for all cars.

In GT1 it didn't take much to spin a RWD car on corner exit ,
especially MR drivetrain cars were so likely to oversteer that you wouldn't even consider racing them in stock (race cars were an exeption)

4WD's were the weapon of choise. (stock GTO LM and FTO LM come to mind)

Tuned FF's were better than tuned FR's on same power level.
In many cases even stock FF's could outrun FR's .


So , what I'm saying is that all cars could have higher grade tyres on front than at the rear.
Optionally comfort soft tyres could be used to bring out the car characteristics better.
MR's will still need to be punished a little to make them match GT1 physics better


(In GT1 manual/there is text that suggest fitting higher grade tyres at rear on MR cars )



MadMax

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Cool! Also, that is something else to be tested! I can't right now, but if someone do it or i can do it later on. But that may help a little, yes.

Wardez

I could see this being run on a regular basis. Why not turn it into a weekly "A-spec classic series" where you change the cars up and such? Each week could have a different event named after the old ones such as, " Clubman Cup
Light-weight "K" Cup
Muscle Car Cup
Pure Sports Car Cup
"

I know that's getting ahead of things so of course it's important to keep this first concept simple for the sake of getting it going. I've always loved the idea of doing a "champion in a day" type of event, it would be a lot of fun if organized well and done swiftly. Seems like you've got a handle on the organizational side of things (and a lot of it is already done for you, i.e. the track and car choices are no-brainers) so all that's left is setting things up so they're easy enough for people to jump in, 'cause with these sorts of spot race events, most people like to jump onboard last minute.

Also, I don't think a team championship's necessary and it detracts from the aim of this event, which is simple classic GT racing.

So you're putting a limit of one car each, so it's first come first serve? In that list of cars you have there's a couple that would really dominate like the WRXs and GT-Rs but I'm fine with it since the spirit of this series would be more about just racing than every one trying to outdo eachother.

I'd be onboard depending on the day.

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Well, yes... lol, i will keep it simple now, just to get it going. But sure, it would be very possible to go over this concept, and do those events.

Team championship is out of question already, sorry guys who wanted. lol

The car thing still on the "to think about" list, because i don't really know how we will find out who will use which. I think i will open a day, then people pick the ones that are available. First person will have all choices, next person will have to pick the not taken ones... and so on. I would be in the last, so, i would not choose my car. Lol

I've tested them once, but all them with sport soft tires, and the fastest ones were in this order: NSX > Supra > RX-7 WRX and Skylines had an avarage performance, when the 3000GT and the Evo IV in special were a bit slower.

I have tested the cars! Finally! Lol Soon i will run a test race.

This is the list of cars with their respective tires and time.

1 - Acura NSX '91
SM - 1:36.665

2 - Honda NSX Type S '97
SH - 1:36.826

3 - Mazda Éfini RX-7 Type R (FD) '91
SM - 1:36.476

4 - Mazda RX-7 Type RS (FD) '98
SH - 1:36.502

5 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV GSR '96
SM - 1:37.301

6 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution V GSR '98
SH - 1:37.414

7 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR '99
SH - 1:37.025

8 - Mitsubishi GTO (3000GT) Twin Turbo MR '95
SM - 1:36.798

9 - Mitsubishi GTO (3000GT) Twin Turbo '96
SM - 1:36.972

10 - Mitsubishi GTO (3000GT) Twin Turbo MR '98
SH - 1:37.347

11- Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec II (R32) '94
SH - 1:36.858

12- Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (R33) '97
SH - 1:37.134

13- Nissan Fairlady Z (300ZX) Version S TT 2seater (Z32) '98
SM - 1:37.153

14- Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STi Version VI '99
SH - 1:36.413

15- Subaru Impreza Sport Wagon WRX STi Version VI '99
SH - 1:37.006

16- Toyota Supra RZ '97
SH - 1:36.550

SH - Sport Hard
SM - Sport Medium

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All the cars have been tested in Special Stage Route 5. I think it got out quite fair.

Holy moly, looking at the opening vid it's no wonder that it blew everybody away fifteen years ago. Sebastian Vettel hadn't been born then had he?

It looks like you've got enough cars tested and enough interest to kick off a race or two here Avenger. I'd be interested if the time was right.

Cheers, Z.

I just really need to choose a day for a beta test race. lol