205mph Speeding Ticket

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No offense but your what... 17 and have a Cobra Mustang? Not surprising to me that you've gotten that kind of ticket.
 
VipFREAK
No offense but your what... 17 and have a Cobra Mustang? Not surprising to me that you've gotten that kind of ticket.



19, and it wasn't in the Mustang.
 
I know my ungle did 150MPH in his car with me siting in the back, but it was on some road that did not have speed camera's with no body in front of us.
 
VipFREAK
No offense but your what... 17 and have a Cobra Mustang? Not surprising to me that you've gotten that kind of ticket.

And the offender was 20 (one year older) on a racing bike. 205mph, 140 over. There is something wrong with that.
 
depends on the jurisdiction
the fine listed on the ticket is not the fine for the speeding. thats for not having a motorcycle endorsement
there is a separate fine for no insurance and another for the actual speeding which will arrive in the mail later.
 
TVR&Ferrari_Fan
I know my ungle did 150MPH in his car with me siting in the back, but it was on some road that did not have speed camera's with no body in front of us.
So no speed cameras and no one in front of you made it safe then? It's never safe to do that kind of speed on a public road. Puncture or someone runs out in front of you etc, and you're dead.

Did you mean uncle? or Bungle?
 
whoever told you that its never safe to drive at that speed on a public road lied to you.
at 2am in the morning when there is no traffic it absolutely is safe enough to drive at those speeds.

it may not be legal, but thats not what im arguing.
 
My uncle drove the car so I was not the one driving it, also there was nobody to the sides of the road plus there were some walls stoping people to cross the road.
 
neanderthal
whoever told you that its never safe to drive at that speed on a public road lied to you.
at 2am in the morning when there is no traffic it absolutely is safe enough to drive at those speeds.

it may not be legal, but thats not what im arguing.

Safe enough for whom?

People turn up where they shouldn't - even at 2am on a deserted road in the middle of nowhere. After all, you're there - why can't someone else be there?

It is never safe to drive at 150mph on public roads. Ever.

That said, technically it isn't safe to drive at the posted limit of 70mph. Then again at 150mph you are travelling at 220 feet per second, and will come to rest in a little over 300 yards. That means you are unable to even react in time to a sudden danger a tenth of a kilometre away and unable to stop in time to avoid something just under a quarter of a mile away. At the posted maximum limit of 70mph you give yourself less than half of the stopping distance and increase your safety margins immeasurably.


Fun quiz - assuming equal braking force applied of around 75%, and both cars brake at the same time, what speed is a car travelling at 150mph still doing when a car travelling at 70mph has come to a complete stop?
 
you are being quite the twit arent you.

it is perfectly legal and safe to drive on the autobahn (a public road) at 150mph. i deliberately posted my comment because you said public road and didnt exclude british or any other roads. the nurburgring is a public road. the no speed limit stretches of the autralian outback are public roads. (of course you have to contend with wildlife there.)


the problem with catch all words and phrases like "safe" is that it depends on who is defining safe. its certainly not safe to drive on public roads at speeds als low as 30mph. if youre drunk, tired, dont know how to drive etc. heck 30mph in the worlds safest car with the worlds safest driver is unsafe if you cant see anything because of fog, smoke whatever. so i repeat your statement; safe enough for whom?


btw; a tenth of a kilometer is only 100 meters. if you are driving at 150mph and not looking/ anticipating beyond 100 meters you are an idiot and should suffer whatever fate belies when you meet it. general statement. not directed at you.

if you react in one second or less you can still stop in less that a quarter mile. 220feet =+/- 72 yards. plus 300ft to stop +375 (rounding off) less than 1/4 mile.

answer to your braking question assumes that the braking is linear at all speeds. to the best of my knowledge, there is no linear braking force in any real world car. some cars brake very well at first then ebb. others do the opposite.
 
I would think if there is no speed limit, safe driving would be the fastest speed you could control your car at and your automobile could handle.
 
neanderthal
you are being quite the twit arent you.

And you were doing SO well up until that point.

neanderthal
it is perfectly legal and safe to drive on the autobahn (a public road) at 150mph.

It is indeed perfectly legal to drive at 150mph on certain stretches of Autobahn. It is not perfectly safe - for reasons I have just outlined above. There is no such thing as "perfectly" safe. However, you cannot imply that speeding is inherently dangerous either.

Fact of the matter is margins. Increasing your speed exponentially reduces your safety margin.


neanderthal
i deliberately posted my comment because you said public road and didnt exclude british or any other roads. the nurburgring is a public road. the no speed limit stretches of the autralian outback are public roads. (of course you have to contend with wildlife there.)

Indeed - but your point makes little sense. In Western Australia it's perfectly legal to drive at 400mph, if you feel like it. But as you have just outlined, it is in no way safe due to an increased likelihood of danger due to wild animals.

Increase speed, reduce safety margins exponentially. Keep that in mind.


neanderthal
the problem with catch all words and phrases like "safe" is that it depends on who is defining safe. its certainly not safe to drive on public roads at speeds als low as 30mph. if youre drunk, tired, dont know how to drive etc. heck 30mph in the worlds safest car with the worlds safest driver is unsafe if you cant see anything because of fog, smoke whatever. so i repeat your statement; safe enough for whom?

Well, my question was aimed directly at you. Who is it safe for to drive at 150mph at 2am? It may feel "safe" for the driver, but it's certainly not safe for anyone else who might happen to be there (and after all if one person - the driver - is there, chances are there'll be another person there) - and therefore not safe for the driver either. Hitting a 60kg adult at 150mph does quite a bit of damage to a car you know.

neanderthal
btw; a tenth of a kilometer is only 100 meters. if you are driving at 150mph and not looking/ anticipating beyond 100 meters you are an idiot and should suffer whatever fate belies when you meet it. general statement. not directed at you.

I don't necessarily agree with your general statement - since there's no need for the bit about not looking.

neanderthal
if you react in one second or less you can still stop in less that a quarter mile. 220feet =+/- 72 yards. plus 300ft to stop +375 (rounding off) less than 1/4 mile.

You seriously think that a car travelling at 220 feet per second (150mph) can decelerate to rest, without reaction time, in 300 feet? That would require a deceleration rate of nearly 7g...

My numbers say:
"Thinking time" (0.65s) = 43.6m
Braking time (5.4s) = 362.0m
Total stopping distance = 405.6m = 443.6 yards

Of course this isn't written in stone Gospel truth for every car - and in fact requires a 75% braking force rather than 100%, a 1200kg car and a little bit of poetic licence. It's still not a bad ballpark figure.



neanderthal
answer to your braking question assumes that the braking is linear at all speeds. to the best of my knowledge, there is no linear braking force in any real world car. some cars brake very well at first then ebb. others do the opposite.

I'm assuming two identical cars. Assumption of linear braking is not necessary, since both will be decelerating at the same rate at any given speed with a 75% braking force applied.


cardude2004
I would think if there is no speed limit, safe driving would be the fastest speed you could control your car at and your automobile could handle.

Why?

Driving at the very limits of your ability - and the capabilities of your machine - only increases the chances of something catastrophic occuring if you marginally overstep your ability (as F.Zamataki proved). Running a machine at the edge of its design parameters increases the risk of something breaking, and prolonged periods of speed lead to increase in temperature, blistering and puncturing of your tyres. A blowout at 70mph - the legal maximum in the UK - is pretty much just a fairground ride. There's very little you can do but hang on - but eventually it'll stop and, bar a few dings, everything will be fine. At 150mph it's a hearse ride.
 
Neanderthal, something you should learn when you post: Never argue with Famine. He is always right! Always. And a very sensible chap too. I wholeheartedly agree with him 👍
 
It is indeed perfectly legal to drive at 150mph on certain stretches of Autobahn. It is not perfectly safe - for reasons I have just outlined above. There is no such thing as "perfectly" safe. However, you cannot imply that speeding is inherently dangerous either.

seemed (still seems) to me like you were the one implying that speeding is inherently dangerous.

is anything "perfectly safe." walking (twist your ankle). staying home (any number of things.) sleeping (heart attacks, stopped breathing etc) eating (choking allergic reactions etc) is anything "perfectly safe?" if your answer is no (look at your words just above this,) then there is margin of safety that is compromised for all normal everyday activities. that implies that everything has a modicum of risk attached to it. since we still go out and do things, that means thats a risk we are willing to accept.

Fact of the matter is margins. Increasing your speed exponentially reduces your safety margin.

no disgreement there. however the use of the word margin implies the varying levels of safety, something neither you or i are arguing. which then begs the question, whose safety? whose definition? (something i said earlier.)

i cant speak for anybody else but i can for myself. and when someone posts something as dumb as "driving at 120mph is dangerous" im the first to question dumb, broad general statements of that nature. depends on the level of risk you are willing to take. thats the margin of safety you mention; for some its fairly narrow, for others its rather broad. see comments posted above vis a vis "modicum of risk." however, sitting on the sidelines spectating isnt how we live our lives. for most of us anyway.

I don't necessarily agree with your general statement - since there's no need for the bit about not looking.

i know you are not saying that people who take calculated risks are stupid. it certainly seems that way. that smacks of you applying your standards of safety to their activities. or you could explain what you mean

You seriously think that a car travelling at 220 feet per second (150mph) can decelerate to rest, without reaction time, in 300 feet? That would require a deceleration rate of nearly 7g...

i was using the numbers you posted. you said "come to rest in... 300 yards" not me. coming to rest could be decelerating. could be braking. however, if you're trying to avoid "sudden danger" i don't think you just let your foot off the accelerator and let the car coast to a stop. most people brake. so when you post about "coming to a rest" avoiding "sudden danger" and you use 300 yards, i assume the two are connected. it makes sense. you are talking in a rational seemingly reasoned way. you wouldn't just throw in words and numbers to obfuscate. or would you?

I'm assuming two identical cars. Assumption of linear braking is not necessary, since both will be decelerating at the same rate at any given speed with a 75% braking force applied.

some cars brake better at lower speeds. panic braking in my 70s era BMW 2002 at speeds in excess of 100 doesnt result in the same retardation as at 70 or less. undersized/ overworked brakes, pick your poision. same applies for moderate braking. at below +/- 90 its confident, sharp and direct, and even better at lower speeds. so comparing two similar 1970s BMW 2002s at those different speds would result in different results.
my mercedes disregards speed reassuringly confidently no matter the speed. my corolla sucked at anything over 40. my brothers 525i is excellent all round. moms mitsubishi galant seems to brake better at higher speeds than low.

ive never taken instruments and measured actual distances, but i think you get the general gist of my point. some cars have more capable braking systems than others. the various factors; swept area of rotors, coefficency of grip of brake pad material and disk area, disc or disc/ drum setup, piston area, number of pistons, volume of fluid moved, thickness of disc, temperature, surface of road, stickiness of tires and so on all contribute to braking efficiency. the efficacy of all those factors is not static. for instance, race tires at 70 may not have the heat built up in them to generate the same braking forces as racing tires at 150.

re your last comment. i meant to say "any speed below the fastest speed that you can control your car and your automobile could handle." my bad.

DQuan. he isnt the only one. i know plenty of people who are like that. thankfully only some of them are dumb as dirt. theres a guy i work with who makes a fool out of himself about once a week. i try to stay out of it. famine, at least, makes sense. even when he is obfuscating.
 
You are mixing up your feet and yards, I suspect. You said that it would take 300 feet to stop from 150mph, after an initial 220 feet (1 second) reaction time. Not yards. It's nearer 350 yards, given a fudge factor.

And I mistakenly CTRL+Ved, and attributed the last quote to you - it was cardude2004. Sorry.

Oh, and for those people who actually wish to know the answer:

If two identical cars, travelling at 70mph and 150mph apply their brakes at the same time with the same braking force, when the car travelling at 70mph has come to a complete stop, the 150mph car is still doing in excess of 120mph. Given a certain fudge factor.
 
Heh i live here in minnesota and when i saw that on the news i about shat my pants. It was on the news for a couple days and then later they said it was fake...
 
Been driving for 12 years in my experience speed does NOT cause accidents. Mostly old farts thinking there safe because there driving ''slow''

The facts are the fastest roads are the safest stats show that over and over so I agree with neanderthal driving in a straight line on a wide road with no other objects, cars, people, animals, etc... at any speed is as safe as anything BUT when does that situation ocur????
 
Some guy from Hearland, which is several miles down the highway from me, was picked up for going 145 mph near the Kenosha County and Racine County border. He was going 145 mph when the speed limit on Wisconsin interstate highways is 65 mph. Most people speed here, but not usually far over 80 mph. He was in his Subaru WRX - Turbo Charged. He was fined for speeding and wreckless driving.


Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Online
Hartland man accused of driving 145 mph on I-94

By TOM KERTSCHER
tkertscher@journalsentinel.com

Posted: Jan. 3, 2005

Caledonia - A 25-year-old Waukesha County man tore into the new year - at 80 mph over the speed limit - and wracked up a possible $1,230 in traffic tickets, the Racine County Sheriff's Department said Monday.

Timothy M. Knick of Hartland was pulled over while driving a turbo-charged Subaru WRX on northbound I-94 near Highway K for driving 145 mph in a 65 mph zone, Sgt. Brian Londre said Monday. That ticket was for $863, and another for reckless driving added $367, for a total of $1,230, Londre said.

The new year was barely five hours old at that point.

There was no evidence that Knick had been drinking.

"That's a good thing," Londre said.

Tickets have been issued to many people for exceeding 120 mph, Londre said, but he hadn't heard of anyone reaching 145.

Court records show Knick was found guilty of speeding in Milwaukee County in 1999 and twice in Waukesha County in 1997. His record at the state Department of Motor Vehicles, which clears citations after five years, is clean.

Knick will have an opportunity to contest the new tickets in Racine County Circuit Court. He could not be reached for comment.


Source -
http://www.jsonline.com/news/racine/jan05/289790.asp
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=%2B145+mph
 
What BS - sober guy with an open, flat, straight stretch of road at 5am and he gets pulled over? Assuming those were the exact conditions, I'm seeing $1230 as pretty absurd.

He's an idiot though - speeding on New Year's is stupid because cops are out in full force looking for drunks.
 
This is why I was saying earlier in this thread, or maybe it was another thread, that people don't speed at night. Somebody told me that people speed on the highway at night. Here in Wisconsin the cops are out in droves at night to pull over all of the street racers. Our highway actually isn't very straight and it rained and then snowed on New Years, making him even stupider, if that is a word.
 
Haha, where I live the highways are pretty much empty at night so cops are never out. I guess they figure that if street racers are going to be out, it'll be them killing themselves proving their own stupidity. Poetic justice I suppose. In the daytime tho, we must have drove a mile and spotted like 5 cruisers hidden in different locations.
 
PublicSecrecy
Haha, where I live the highways are pretty much empty at night so cops are never out. I guess they figure that if street racers are going to be out, it'll be them killing themselves proving their own stupidity. Poetic justice I suppose. In the daytime tho, we must have drove a mile and spotted like 5 cruisers hidden in different locations.

That is so true, its kinda weird though.......
 
^We were in Canada and picked up for speeding. There wasn't any cops around and then down the road we got picked up. We weren't going as fast as the cop said when we passed him. When we passed him we were going under the speed limit. They must has laser readers mounted on trees or on the side of the mountains along the side of the roadway, and then farther down the road they pull you over. In Wisconsin there is usually one cop, in an emergency vehicle 'median' or 'turnaround' with his laser gun or radar to track your speed and then he goes after you, or there is a cop in the median with the laser gun or radar and he tracks your speed and then at the next median there is another cop and he pulls out and pulls the people over.
 
..."in Canada" where?

PS we use km/s not miles. 60mph = 96km/h. So if it said 100 and u were doing 90, I still pitty the guy in front of you.
 
I know you use km/h, but I was talking about an incident in Wisconsin when I used mph. We were in British Columbia, just outside of Whistler. The speed limit was 90 km/h.
 
Every time I read about performance vehicles mentioned in the news they feel the need to state the obvious. The "Turbo-charged" Subaru mentioned above. Reading about a spate of car thefts around Auckland in the paper the other day spoke of a similarly "Turbo-charged" Mitsubishi Evolution 4. For people who know what a WRX or an Evo 4 are there is no need to prefix it with "Turbo-charged" and for people who don't know what a WRX is then they probably don't know what a turbo is either. Not ranting, just pointing out a useless addition.

Also, in the same article it said that the same car thieves had stolen an Aston Martin DB9, one of the first in NZ.
 
They for sure don't need to say it is turbo-charged or anything where I live because people all know the cars. In Wisconsin most people drive around with cars made in the last 8 years. Here cars are a sign of social status or your income.
 
cardude2004
I know you use km/h, but I was talking about an incident in Wisconsin when I used mph. We were in British Columbia, just outside of Whistler. The speed limit was 90 km/h.

And how fast were you going? I love whistler. The roads can get pretty twisty up there, i'm surprised it was that high.

Jeff- remember the Datsun 260Z my dad had? That's where he totalled it and walked away after a 140mph hairpin.
 
Maybe the speed limit was lower than 90 km/h, but we were going between 115 and 120 km/h. It was about a year after my dad was pulled over for speeding here in the US. He only got a warning, or else the fine would have been $120.00 - Canadian. There are a lot of sharp turns there, because of the mountains, but we have just as many curves here on the roads of Wisconsin, because our roads follow old Native American paths. Our car was a dumb American car, from Washington State, where we started out. We took the ferry to Victoria Island, and then from there to the mainland of BC.

Whistler was beautiful. I hope they are able to host the winter Olympics there, like they are hoping. I liked going to the top of Mt. Whistler. The view was spectacular. I don't do much on mountains because there aren't any in Wisconsin. I canoed on the river there, but the current was so fast I kept hitting the side of the river. My dad like the golf courses there.
 
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