Your Opinion: Do I Get it?

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Collector's value or not, it's still a freakin' Spirit... but I know what you mean. I think the same of the AMC Matador
 
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Collector's value or not, it's still a freakin' Carlton...



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And yes, the Matador does kick ass.

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Spirit R/T.......... I can't believe there was an demand for it, then again, I had no idea the car was the quickest sedan on the market.
 
being european i've never heard of it either. the lotus carlton does kick ass, but u wont find a good example for less than $18-20k...

but don't pay $11k. if the books say 7-8, i doubt it will become collectible enough in 10 years for you to get that money back. since it's rare, the value probably wont plummet but yeah talk them down to 7-8 and buy it then. I made the mistake of paying $2000 too much on my nissan 200 and i couldn't sell it for the price i paid, regardless of condition.
 
MrktMkr1986
What about the BMW M5? :confused:
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One thing you should remember about the 91-93 BMW M5 is that it was based on the 535i, which carried a 3.4-liter six-cylinder, rather than the period's 540i (282hp 4-liter V8) or 530i (215hp 3-liter V8). Indeed, the 540i didn't debut until 1994, the year after the M5 was dropped. Consequently, that generation's (E34) M5 was not the beast that it is now - it carried "just" a 3.5-liter straight six. In fact, when the 540i debuted in 1994, it had just 28 less horsepower than the 91-93 M5 had (282 vs. 310).
 
M5Power
One thing you should remember about the 91-93 BMW M5 is that it was based on the 535i, which carried a 3.4-liter six-cylinder, rather than the period's 540i (282hp 4-liter V8) or 530i (215hp 3-liter V8). Indeed, the 540i didn't debut until 1994, the year after the M5 was dropped. Consequently, that generation's (E34) M5 was not the beast that it is now - it carried "just" a 3.5-liter straight six. In fact, when the 540i debuted in 1994, it had just 28 less horsepower than the 91-93 M5 had (282 vs. 310).
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I see. Would you consider buying one of these instead of the Spirit? Besides, it would fit you perfectly.

M5Power = '93 BMW M5 :)

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Yeah, they rock - I'd wager quite a bit there isn't a single one closer than Chicago (not for sale, in existence) though. But they're not among my 'near future' purchases - too expensive to buy, too expensive to run, too desirable (to others), not fast enough. Saw an E28 the other day and was pleasantly surprised but I've never seen an E34 M5 out of the Bay Area.
 
M5Power
One thing you should remember about the 91-93 BMW M5 is that it was based on the 535i, which carried a 3.4-liter six-cylinder, rather than the period's 540i (282hp 4-liter V8) or 530i (215hp 3-liter V8). Indeed, the 540i didn't debut until 1994, the year after the M5 was dropped. Consequently, that generation's (E34) M5 was not the beast that it is now - it carried "just" a 3.5-liter straight six. In fact, when the 540i debuted in 1994, it had just 28 less horsepower than the 91-93 M5 had (282 vs. 310).
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3.6 liter actually. in the uk cars from november 91 had the 3.8 litre engine anyway... shame if the us got shafted on this one too. sure its no 'beast' but it has all the cool extras inside, and it has an m-tech suspension if i remember correctly. the fact they aren't well known or so amazing just means they cost less...

http://www.totalbmwmag.co.uk/Buying/BuyingJuly02.pdf

for a guide to M-cars & prices in the uk...
 
M5Power
You're right - it was a 3.6. Never a 3.8 in the US though.
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Don't let engine size be the only determinant for a good/bad car. The first ever M3 had a 2.3 engine if i remember correctly with only 4 cylinders. Nothing special u might think right? But that engine was a cut down version of the formula one engine at the time. Which means it achieved speeds to rival 2.0 turbos a decade later!

but this is offfffff topic!!!! lol sorry
 
Nightmage82
Don't let engine size be the only determinant for a good/bad car. The first ever M3 had a 2.3 engine if i remember correctly with only 4 cylinders. Nothing special u might think right? But that engine was a cut down version of the formula one engine at the time. Which means it achieved speeds to rival 2.0 turbos a decade later!

but this is offfffff topic!!!! lol sorry
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where do people get such incorrect information from? :scared: the S14 was two thirds of the then M5/ M6 engine. an engine that was never ever used in formula 1. it was used in BMWs shortlived M1 procar series though.

although in a very circuitous way you could say it was related to a formula one engine. the 1.5 liter engine that first debutted in the neue klasse in the early sixties was the basis of the formula one BMW engines. since BMWs engines were modular, you could say the S14 engine was a derivative of that M10 1.5 liter, and thus you could say it was used in formula one.

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id say an E30 M3 was worth 11K. not a dodge spirit. a little late to the vote, but there it is nonetheless. and an E30 certainly has more cachet than an E34 M5 too.
 
neanderthal
where do people get such incorrect information from? :scared: the S14 was two thirds of the then M5/ M6 engine. an engine that was never ever used in formula 1. it was used in BMWs shortlived M1 procar series though.

although in a very circuitous way you could say it was related to a formula one engine. the 1.5 liter engine that first debutted in the neue klasse in the early sixties was the basis of the formula one BMW engines. since BMWs engines were modular, you could say the S14 engine was a derivative of that M10 1.5 liter, and thus you could say it was used in formula one.

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id say an E30 M3 was worth 11K. not a dodge spirit. a little late to the vote, but there it is nonetheless. and an E30 certainly has more cachet than an E34 M5 too.
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i heard that the 4 cylinder in the e30 was 1/3 of the 12 cylinder used in formula 1 at the time and de-tuned. if that isn't the case i stand corrected sorry... :dunce: but i will try and find the magazine that said it...

as for M5_Power, u said it carried "just a 3.5 litre straight 6" and my point was that a 3.5 litre straight six COULD be a super engine... but yeah, its not really a point worth arguing over, so dun worry :D 👍
 
Nightmage82
as for M5_Power, u said it carried "just a 3.5 litre straight 6" and my point was that a 3.5 litre straight six COULD be a super engine... but yeah, its not really a point worth arguing over, so dun worry :D 👍
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I see - well the context there was that the M5, while kickass, wasn't the monster that it is today. So it was "just" a 3.5L six, instead of a 4.9 V8 or whatever this new one's going to be using. Most people do forget that the E34 M5 carried a six rather than an eight.
 
M5Power
I see - well the context there was that the M5, while kickass, wasn't the monster that it is today. So it was "just" a 3.5L six, instead of a 4.9 V8 or whatever this new one's going to be using. Most people do forget that the E34 M5 carried a six rather than an eight.
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got it ;)👍

but then the 535 and 540 had 8's right?

lets not forget 911's have a '6' and they are badass ;)

hope you come to a decision about the car u are thinking of buying though!
 
Nightmage82
got it ;)👍

but then the 535 and 540 had 8's right?
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Actually, the 535 had a six - the 530 and 540 had a V8. In fact, the 530's 3-liter V8 is the smallest consumer-market V8 in US market history at just three liters (I believe Porsche had a 2.8 V8 and Ferrari came up with a 2.9 or 3.0 V8 for the F40, though).

hope you come to a decision about the car u are thinking of buying though!
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I think our next car is a 3000GT VR-4 Spyder. Gotta love retractible hardtops (we don't call them 'coupe convertibles', a term which seems to be rampant in the UK).
 
I found a page of automotive superlatives that says the smallest V8 petrol-running engine was a 1.990cc in the 1975 Ferrari 208 GT4. There were others like the 1.5 litre V8 by Coventry Climax, but never made it into a road car. The smallest V8 diesel-running engine is the 3.3 litre in the 2000 Audi A8 3.3 TDI. The smallest American V8 engine, the 3.5 Litre found in the 1961 Buick Special 215.

do i get a treat?
 
fresh strawberries to all those finding out about small v12 and v8 engines :)👍

as for this...
M5Power
(we don't call them 'coupe convertibles', a term which seems to be rampant in the UK).
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in the UK we pronounce "coupe" as: "coo-pay" not "coo-p". and that makes "coupe convertible" a total mouthful, so u rarely hear that over here. we either say coupe, or a convertible. or in the case of the 3000gt, i guess just "sports car" lol. if it has a retractable hard-top we say "convertible hard top" lol. some people used to call convertibles 'soft-tops' since they always used to have non-metal rooves over here... but recently that's kinda disappeared, and its convertible or cabriolet mostly.

end of english lesson, boys and girls please put ur pencils on ur desks and tuck your chairs..... :)
 
M5Power
Gotta love retractible hardtops (we don't call them 'coupe convertibles', a term which seems to be rampant in the UK).
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The term 'coupe convertible' is one thats never been 'rampant' in my ears, or eyes for that matter. Cars of this nature are general refered to as 'retractable hard tops' or 'girls cars' ;)
 
Diego440
I found a page of automotive superlatives that says the smallest V8 petrol-running engine was a 1.990cc in the 1975 Ferrari 208 GT4. There were others like the 1.5 litre V8 by Coventry Climax, but never made it into a road car. The smallest V8 diesel-running engine is the 3.3 litre in the 2000 Audi A8 3.3 TDI. The smallest American V8 engine, the 3.5 Litre found in the 1961 Buick Special 215.

do i get a treat?
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and:
http://www.grmotorsports.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=6318
Jensenman
Many moons ago, there was a whole class of road race bikes called 'teacup' racers, limited to 50cc displacement. Honda and Suzuki both had 50cc V6's, and they IDLED at 9000 RPM. The tach would sign off at 24000 RPM. Generally made something like 35 horsepower. Tohatsu had a 'low tech' twin cylinder, and the tach didn't read below 10K.
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Diego440
do i get a treat?
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No - in fact, all you did was back up my assertion that the 530 had the smallest consumer-market V8 ever. :p

Nightimage82
in the UK we pronounce "coupe" as: "coo-pay" not "coo-p". and that makes "coupe convertible" a total mouthful,
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Still - I've heard the term 'CC' used to describe more than just the Peugeots by British car magazines.
 
I think you should not buy it, and use the money to buy new kitchen appliances:)
 

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