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I am appalled at the behaviour at some certain people on this forum.
We are here to discuss the art of drifting and to measure ourselves up to each other in terms of knowledge and skill. In the first few days, it was ok, because people were RESPECTING each other and their opinions. Not now though.. this has gone downhill since people started popping in asking for settings.

Never have I seen such disrespect and repent since I joined. If someone posts an idea that seems radical and undone, someone will almost immediately dismiss it as nonsense. Other thing I have seen is the smartarse behaviour of some of the members on the board (I'm not naming anyone). You really think that it is funny to mess with authority? They are here everyday trying to help keep the forums clean and on topic. But NOOOO. We have to have jackasses that think it's funny to point out little mistakes.

Ten
As a drifter, I can't stand 90% of my own kind.
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That is very true at this stage. I feel ashamed to be a drifter. Most that venture outside the drifting forum finds that the overall population think that "drifters" are a bunch of 14 year old kids that couldn't tie their own shoe laces without tripping over them. :dunce: Grow up you lot. Drifting isn't everything. If someone questions your opinion, so be it. Don't lash out at them with inane sentences and strange comebacks. You'll only get laughter from them.

NEVER start an argument from anger. If it is to discuss a topic, that is understood. But calling someone a ****wit because they think that a 1.5-way LSD is better for the car to stay under control than with a 2-way LSD is not appropriate. How are you meant to reply to that then? Gather your own evidence and back yourself up. Or if the other person is just being an ass, tell them to get evidence to prove their opinion is correct. Simple.

You think that I'm being too harsh by saying this? Well go read the AUP. I bet half of the people that are whinging and pissing haven't even heard of the AUP. Better yet, go to some other forums. They literally ban you for just swearing. Jordan is being too generous with the people that continually break the rules.

And finally, don't post a thread until you thoroughly searched for it. Jordan hasn't got enough bandwidth for every Joe Blow that decides to post a new thread about the difference between a Trueno and a Levin.

I'm done.
 
I must say MdnIte, this is all so true. I myself am feed up with all the crap thats been going on. I can't say anything for myself as i can not deny, that a couple of times i've lashed out at new members in anger. I'm on these fourms for about 4-6 hours a day. I really like these fourms and i want to keep this place in line. I don't want the same thing to happen like the GT3 drifting fourm.

I think we should have another poll to nominate more moderators to keep this place in line. I'm aware that the modeators we have right now are working 24/7 to keep this place going but, they can't be every where at onces, they should have a break too.
 
I dunno where Delphic Reason went to, but obviously if you see indiscretions, use the Report button so it can be dealt with 👍
 
This needed to be said and put in the open for everyone to read, and I'm glad someone has done so.

Honestly, is it crucial that we have 25 threads discussing the new physics or understeer? Yes we all know that it is more apparent in GT4 than GT3; yes this is infact a more realistic modelling of real events; no, you arent the first one to notice it; and no, you're not the first one to post about it.
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Please everyone, take the time to post sensibly, legibly, and in the proper spot. Read all the 'Read This' threads and the links contained therein. Take the time to search for answers. You will likely find what you're looking for faster than you would by waiting for someone to post or re-post the answer for you. This search issue was a problem in the GT3 drift forum, and one that I would like to see eliminated in GT4 - as I am sure everyone else who has, and has yet to post in this thread does.

An innocent question is nothing to be ashamed about, but an ignorant question is a different matter. I cannot emphasize this point enough, look around and use the search button before you post a new thread.

If you don't have anything of value to add to a thread, then don't post. There's nothing more frustrating as a reader to sift through 20 some odd off-topic posts before getting back on-topic to find what you are looking for. Doing so might reduce the amount of redundant thread topics that appear within this forum.

Also, please respect other members opinions. You arent required to agree with them, but as a show of respect you should at least consider them. It is utterly unnecessary to insult another member because they hold views which differ from your own. I've had a fair share of derrogatory and/or insulting posts aimed at me for some of the viewpoints I've posted, and I've seen even more targetting other members. In my opinion, it is the sender and not the reciever of the insult that generally portays themselves as being of inferior intelligence.

Without meaning to make an example of anyone, I realize that this place is a public forum, and some members of the general public simply are (or behave as) idiots, there's no two ways about it....but I do wish they could at least make an attempt to keep their idiocy to themselves, or at the very least limit it to a more tolerable dosage.

If you plan to disagree with someone, take time to explain your reasons for disagreeing with the stated views in a logical and coherent manner, and try not to make it too personal. This applies to everyone, not just the members with the 'New member' distinction below their username.

I do feel that a moderator is needed at this time. The GT3 vets have been doing a decent job of trying to police this forum by keeping threads on topic, and stopping redundant threads short before they get carried away, ad I'm sure they will continue to do so. But the forum cannot continue to operate efficiently without a dedicated moderator to keep everything under control. This place is only going to get busier, and in its current state its already headed into a downward spiral.

I have got more to add, but I'll censor myself at this point as I am getting longwinded to the point that people will skip reading my post entirely and dismiss it as the frustrated ramblings of a grumpy old man, where it is really only the frustrated part that holds water. I may be back with more later.
 
MdnIte, i say with all of your common sense and reason, you'd make a great mod. 💡
This is so true what you say about most drifters. '14 year olds that cant tie thier own shoe' is what i belive you said. They think that it's the internet so no one can do anything no matter what they say. While this is true there's a thing called respect and on forums, that has a lot of influence. Mods and premium members are repected. People who do great write ups and are courtious AND have common sense get repsect. MdnIte, i have much respect for you. :) 👍
 
MdnIte
Most that venture outside the drifting forum finds that the overall population think that "drifters" are a bunch of 14 year old kids that couldn't tie their own shoe laces without tripping over them.
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Unless you actually go out and participate in drift events you aren't a drifter. Actually the term itself is retarded. I guess other people are "grippers"? :dunce:

Its a videogame for christ sakes. Some people take this **** WAY too seriously.
 
JaeTea
Unless you actually go out and participate in drift events you aren't a drifter. Actually the term itself is retarded. I guess other people are "grippers"? :dunce:

Its a videogame for christ sakes. Some people take this **** WAY too seriously.
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these are the exact types of posts that he (and myself) was referring to.
And he's not taking it too seriously. What wrong with holding the expectation that your views should be considered and appreciated by other members, regardless of whether or not they agree with them 100%.

He's a prominent member of the forums and he's trying to improve general community with his efforts. If anything you should be thanking him, and not ripping him apart.

clearly you missed his whole point. You should go back and re-read this thread, you would clearly benefit from it. Edit your post, that's way to offensive for some readers, and look over the AUP while your at it.

and yes actually, they are called 'grippers' on this forum, they even term themselves that
 
TankSpanker
clearly you missed his whole point.
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I didn't miss his point. I understand and support what he is saying. I run the largest djing forum on the net so don't tell me I don't know what he's talking about as far as respect and behavior go. I deal with it every single day.

I also believe the repetitive threads HAVE to go.

However I think its offensive and disrepectful to the people who actually spend a crapload of money, time and effort to actually participate in drifting sports to refer to the people who drift in GT4 as "drifters".

I don't think anyone on this board is calling themselves rallyers or racers and if they are they're clueless. Go to an actual track event and say you're a racer because you play GT4 all day and they'll stone you to death.


Also anyone who refers to themselves as a "gripper" is a moron, I've never heard the term outside of this board unless we are making fun of someone referring to themselves as a "drifter". 👎
 
JaeTea
I didn't miss his point. I understand and support what he is saying. I run the largest djing forum on the net so don't tell me I don't know what he's talking about as far as respect and behavior go. I deal with it every single day.

I also believe the repetitive threads HAVE to go.

However I think its offensive and disrepectful to the people who actually spend a crapload of money, time and effort to actually participate in drifting sports to refer to the people who drift in GT4 as "drifters".

I don't think anyone on this board is calling themselves rallyers or racers and if they are they're clueless. Go to an actual track event and say you're a racer because you play GT4 all day and they'll stone you to death.


Also anyone who refers to themselves as a "gripper" is a moron, I've never heard the term outside of this board unless we are making fun of someone referring to themselves as a "drifter". 👎
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Hmm...well. Here's how this goes. I'm a driver, racer and a drifter. It's not that I think I can take an S14 to the track right now and drift it because I can't. But there ARE people on this board that do. So before you start saying that people aren't true "drifters", research what you're talking about. Yes, I have been to an actual race track to participate in events and have driven on a track multiple times. So would I be considered a racer or a gripper in real life? Probably not. However, I do have experience in such things.

From what you were saying I can tell that you have experience on a forum but it looks like you are actually taking this too seriously as far as titles go. I mean, what are we supposed to classify ourselves as? Gamers? That puts us in lump with about 100 million over people in America alone. The veterans of this board understand the difference between driving/drifting in a game and in real life and wouldn't mix the two for a second. Even though the techniques are the same, the application is very different. I know that, TankSpanker, NK4E, Midnite and the other vets that have posted in this thread know that. So please, relax, take a step back and either be a productive member of the board or just don't come here. Thanks.
 
Swift
Hmm...well. Here's how this goes. I'm a driver, racer and a drifter. It's not that I think I can take an S14 to the track right now and drift it because I can't. But there ARE people on this board that do. So before you start saying that people aren't true "drifters", research what you're talking about. Yes, I have been to an actual race track to participate in events and have driven on a track multiple times. So would I be considered a racer or a gripper in real life? Probably not. However, I do have experience in such things.

From what you were saying I can tell that you have experience on a forum but it looks like you are actually taking this too seriously as far as titles go. I mean, what are we supposed to classify ourselves as? Gamers? That puts us in lump with about 100 million over people in America alone. The veterans of this board understand the difference between driving/drifting in a game and in real life and wouldn't mix the two for a second. Even though the techniques are the same, the application is very different. I know that, TankSpanker, NK4E, Midnite and the other vets that have posted in this thread know that. So please, relax, take a step back and either be a productive member of the board or just don't come here. Thanks.
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Well said Swift. Did you miss me... HAHA i'm back.

Behavior determines your identity in a way. If you're acting like a complete ass, then you don't get much respect. To determine if you're an ass or not is up to you.


Instead of lashing out at someone's opinions, you could kindly "criticize", explain your view in a more respectful manner and don't make it sound like you're about to take the guy's head off. No one's perfect. They are opinions and opinions should be taken seriously with some thought.

If someone said they've drifted a skyline before on the track and you find out they're only 13, you just laugh it off instead of flaming him to death. I think that should be the prevailing attitude in these forums. More patience and more respect for others.
 
im new, but i have some input.
1. Why doesnt this forum use the reputation status bar? this is a scheme where new members can only post a ceritan # of posts per day untill their rep gets better. If they are idiots their rep goes down, and they cant start threds or post. MOderator is needed to control reputation. Once a certin post # is reached post status becomes unlimited.

2. Lets not take video games 2 seriously, although i think having a productive forums site for drifting GT4 could be awesome. Being positive should be the focus of the forums not being cocky.

~scott
 
Well, considering I pretty much instigated the situation that brought out Ten's comment above, I feel i should comment on this. I admit that i was being a nit-picky jack ass, and I DID call out EP3_DC5 on his multiple pictures, but when my post came up he had already fixed his pics, so i went back and removed my comment directed at him. It was out of line and not really that necessary.

TankSpanker
This needed to be said and put in the open for everyone to read, and I'm glad someone has done so.

Honestly, is it crucial that we have 25 threads discussing the new physics or understeer? Yes we all know that it is more apparent in GT4 than GT3; yes this is infact a more realistic modelling of real events; no, you arent the first one to notice it; and no, you're not the first one to post about it.
just an example...
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This forum is growing every day and theres always new people that come in and dont know we roll here. Maybe we could put a big, bold, banner at the top of each forum page telling people to search for their topic of interest before making a new post. I guess i just got irritated how people were posting in the thread and not paying any attention to the rules for the thread, and went and said something where it wasnt my place to say it. I assumed everyone knew the 1 photo limit based on the discussions we had last week about it, but it wasnt stated in the thread. Those of you that have seen me around the boards know thats not usually the way i am. Sorry this topic had to be brought up this way, but it did need to be addressed. I agree with MdNite and Tankspanker 100%
 
IMO the solution to this problem is simple... Bigger notices, stickies, etc, is not going to work to the fullest... There will always be someone doing the same mistakes over and over again - starting a flame-war and creating bad vibes in this forum....

So what to do? Well, the solution is "us"... the veterans, and frequent users of this forum... follow these two steps, and let's see what happens...

1. Patience

2. Ignore

It's quite simple... Be patient and don't post without thinking.. And also, as mentioned above, do not post out of anger... Step 2 is to ignore "silly" threads and posts.. that person will get the message after a while... the thread will die out.. and thats the end of the story.. I can also add that it requires only one post from anyone to direct the person to the stickies, search function, AUP, etc... after that.. leave it be!

Let's give that a try and work together...

-CMD-
 
Not wanting to repeat half the thread, I'll just look at Swift's post and use that in my defense. I don't think I can take my Bronco II out and get it sideways....at least not without killing myself or someone else.

I think YOU take US too seriously. I consider myself a drifter in the game of GT. The game. There is no blurred line between fantasy and reality here. There's no need to crucify us because we refer to ourselves as drifters in the context of GT. You'll note that I have never used reference to real life driving experiences when talking about drifting in this forum, save the occasional joke about owning an '86 Ford Bronco II and the potential humor of attempting to drift it. (something I'm not nearly stupid enough to do)

I'm not looking to carry on an argument any longer than it has been. Just wanted to defend myself. I don't tke anything in here "too seriously". So please, have some consideration and don't generalize like that.

CMD has a point, and I agree for the most part, but without an active mod (one whose job it is to moderate this area), the other moderators will find themselves irritated to no end, inboxes full of drift forum complaints - drawn away from the areas of the site they are expected to care for. Ignoring a problematic post is a good idea, but if left unlocked or uncorrected by at least ONE person, it runs the risk of being created again, or responded to further by other users willingly unaware of the AUP or stickies. If examples aren't made, no one will learn. It's already been proven that the stickies and rules are just plain too much of a hassle for some people to read. :indiff:
 
i dont think this post gets anything done other than all the veterans getting to come and complain about people (probably like me ^_^) theres always gonna be people that come into forums that never search and post "noob" questions all the time.....never gonna get rid of it... maybe your wasting bandwidth with this post alone..... and maybe your post was created out of ANGER.... who cares.. its just a game....if you get annoyed with peoples smartarse comments then just ignore it, if i make a smart comment...dont take it personally... im just jokin around half the time anyway.....just stop taking everything on this board so seriously....geez..
 
uglyDRIFT
i dont think this post gets anything done other than all the veterans getting to come and complain about people (probably like me ^_^) theres always gonna be people that come into forums that never search and post "noob" questions all the time.....never gonna get rid of it... maybe your wasting bandwidth with this post alone..... and maybe your post was created out of ANGER.... who cares.. its just a game....if you get annoyed with peoples smartarse comments then just ignore it, if i make a smart comment...dont take it personally... im just jokin around half the time anyway.....just stop taking everything on this board so seriously....geez..
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Ok, so you think everything is going just fine and we should leave it how it is then?

Also, What CMD said was right on target. Especially about searching/stickies/AUP. The first person that says it gets the prize. AFter that there is no need to beat a dead horse. I know I've done that myself. But it must be really annoying and discouraging to someone to have 5-10 people rag on them about one mistake. Ever seen Office Space? :sick:
 
I assume Delphic Reason (fka SilviaDrifter), but he's been AWOL for some time. I haven't even seen him around the IDM forums. Any ideas, Swift? CMD? Stan? Other IDM-goers?
 
JaeTea
Just a question but the drifting forums for GT4 has AT LEAST one mod right?
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none to speak of yet, sadly
no one has been appointed. I know that myself and Swift, and I'm sure others, have just been reporting threads or pm-ing mods when their intervention is needed. Its a rough way to operate a forum.
 
TankSpanker
Its a rough way to operate a forum.
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Definetly!!

Without the mods we have on our forums I don't know what I would do. Probly kill myself.

So what exactly is preventing them from making any of the veteran people mods?
 
The way I see it, the nagging problem with drifting discussion is exactly the same as the problem with religion.

Many people take it way too seriously.
 
F310B
The way I see it, the nagging problem with drifting discussion is exactly the same as the problem with religion.

Many people take it way too seriously.
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Interesting, yet completely ludicrous comparison since religion, or as I call it spirituality, deals with eternal issues and we're talking about a video game here.
 
2 simple Words for dealing with them "Ignore Them" if you cant do that then just report them and they will be dealt with... or you can try to talk some sense into them but they probably wont listen.
-TD
 
Swift and I have been discussing this on a regular basis. Jordan knows of the situation, and is contemplating action.

Last I head DR was wrapped up in school.

We've bantered a few ideas back and forth, and know that this place needs a Moderator. I hate to say that, as we had all hoped that the long established members would get the respect they deserve from the new members. That doesn't seem to happen, so I'm searching through the posts to find an appropriate member to make an example of.

Oh wait... Here's one now.
uglyDRIFT
i dont think this post gets anything done other than all the veterans getting to come and complain about people (probably like me ^_^) theres always gonna be people that come into forums that never search and post "noob" questions all the time.....never gonna get rid of it... maybe your wasting bandwidth with this post alone..... and maybe your post was created out of ANGER.... who cares.. its just a game....if you get annoyed with peoples smartarse comments then just ignore it, if i make a smart comment...dont take it personally... im just jokin around half the time anyway.....just stop taking everything on this board so seriously....geez..
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What will happen in the near future, will benefit the members of GTplanet, as well as the Drifting forum.

For the very near future, please don't hesitate to drop me a PM, or (preferably) hit the report button. Many of the moderators worked hard to establish the GT3 Drifting forum as the premier knowledge spot for Drifting. Jordan and the rest of the staff want the same thing to happen with this forum. Having the quality members who are long established here, means we should draw in the best possible members.

I expect it, I want it, and we all need it.

Thanks,

AO
 

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