My New 3,500,000 Cr Purple Jaguar and Tyres do not mix.

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Whoa my friend, the XJR-9 is an acquired taste. Don't abuse ASM, in fact turn it off it's dumb anyway. TCS should be set at 1 or 2, that should give you room to play without it killin your acceleration. No TCS is better, but you aren't going to be able handle that right off the bat anyway. Your money would have been better spent on the Mazda 787B, it might be slightly underpowered, but it handles like a dream and is very good on tires and balanced to a "T". Go win your money back for that XJ R-9, and sell it, you'll get another one anyway. Get the 787B and use that car, leave the power stock, and follow Scaffs tuning guide. This car will teach you to race hard, it's a great learners race car.

OT, There Ford GT is an awesome car in the right hands, I can handle that thing quite well, and it's a blazing fast vehicle.
 
Yes I know what you mean. It's quite different handling these cars from GT1 and 2. I was pretty good with the special models. Anyways I'll have a look and since I prefer to use the DS2 joysticks its easy to accelerate the way I want it to. :indiff: I don't know if that Mazda is the best for me though.... I'll give you a lap time of a course I'm gonna run in the Jaguar with...

EDIT: Twin Ring Motegi with a lap time of 1:47'585. Also I passed two cars even more powerful than me... :P I might as well sell it then do the El Capitan and get the Minolta....
 
Michael88
Well, just get rid of the tire problems and you will be fine with that car, the Jaggy is actually a beast of a group C car, 974ps @ 894(?)kg beats most opponents on the paper & corners. :dopey:👍

I wouldnt recomment you to use driving Aids because thy only add odd steering to the car or slowing it down too much, make more use of 3/4 throttle.

I didn't even notice the weight of the car. I'll have to check that point out. I raced that car when I first got GT4 and just threw on the Stage 4 Turbo, drove it ragged and noticed it ate tires faster than competing AI cars. I never gave the car a fair shake. It probably would have been competitive with far less HP. That was my mistake which I will reflect upon. It might be a sleeper for 200 A-spec points in some races. I also didn't realize it was a Group C car. I thought it was in the same class as LMPs. Live and learn. I'm eager to retest the Jag, but I'm in the middle of Sarthe II for 200 A-specs so I won't be finished for about a week.
 
SirBerra
I didn't even notice the weight of the car. I'll have to check that point out. I raced that car when I first got GT4 and just threw on the Stage 4 Turbo, drove it ragged and noticed it ate tires faster than competing AI cars. I never gave the car a fair shake. It probably would have been competitive with far less HP. That was my mistake which I will reflect upon. It might be a sleeper for 200 A-spec points in some races. I also didn't realize it was a Group C car. I thought it was in the same class as LMPs. Live and learn. I'm eager to retest the Jag, but I'm in the middle of Sarthe II for 200 A-specs so I won't be finished for about a week.

The XJ-R9 is one of the worst Group C cars, not only is it tail happy, but it's a tire burner, it kind of beats the CLK-GTR LM for tire eater award. Being light is one thing, but it's not very stable in corners, 787B will eat this thing alive, Sauber C9; no contest, R92-same as the Sauber, heck even the LMP's smack this thing around, they all corner better. Only cars the XJ-R9 beats are the Maclaren BMW and the CLK-GTR. Jaguar is for puttin in the garage and looking at it, not for racing unless you like a seriously handicapped challenge.
 
I'm currently doing the GTWC with a different car, however, the Jaguar is my first-place competitor (always starts first). There's a weird mix of cars there, with good tire-eating testing. Results: even the stock Jag pits early in Tokyo (about halfway through the race), together with the Gillet and some other car. However, the two Pescarolos, as well as my Toyota Minolta, earned all the places 1st-3rd without pitting (my minolta only had yellow-greenish tyres in Tokyo). The Jag would've gotten second, if it weren't such a tyre-eater.
 
SavageEvil
The XJ-R9 is one of the worst Group C cars, not only is it tail happy, but it's a tire burner, it kind of beats the CLK-GTR LM for tire eater award. Being light is one thing, but it's not very stable in corners, 787B will eat this thing alive, Sauber C9; no contest, R92-same as the Sauber, heck even the LMP's smack this thing around, they all corner better. Only cars the XJ-R9 beats are the Maclaren BMW and the CLK-GTR. .


Strange, I made the champoinship with it, and the AI also made it very well with the XJ9 at 2nd place overall, killing the 787 and the R92.:scared: The AI Jaggy didn't out-accelerate them but he was VERY fast around the corners and a killer at Tokio.:scared:
With the right setting even the worst cars are absolutely driveable, the CLK and the Vertigo are the worst in the champoinship (AI).

However, cause you can't drive it its not the worst group C car. I still prefer the 787b over the jaguar but saying that its the worst group C car is just a fast and unfair conclusion.
Play around with the settings and you will love that car.

I dont know the problems you guys have with that thing, its just another group C car, and they handle all the same without driving aids, even the Toyota 88 Minolta is a tyre eater. 💡
 
I sold the Jaggy. R.I.P. I decided to do the El Capitan enduro with a souped up Viper in B-spec. Won easily. Now I have a Minolta to play with, excellent handling, light as a feather. Skipped one or two races in the World champ, though. It's not as bad tyre eater as the Jag, with super hards. Corners and drives wonderfully even with super hards.
 
The Minolta is a great car indeed - it handles, it goes :) But for tyre wear, nothing beats, and I mean nothing, the Chapparal 2J.
 
Yep. That Chapparal is great. I mean, how many cars can reach 100km/h in 1st gear? It is also eligible for the Compact race in professional hall. You can win by a whole lap there :P. It also really conserves tyres, but you don't need THAT good tyre-times for the GTWC...
 
blue_sharky39
The Minolta is a great car indeed - it handles, it goes :) But for tyre wear, nothing beats, and I mean nothing, the Chapparal 2J.

Don't get me wrong. I absolutely think the 2J is terrific, but only at certain tracks (Infineon, HongKong, Fuji, Suzuka, others).

Race the 2J at Motegi Oval Speedway (apparently it's ground effects doesn't do well in high-speed turns) and see you still think it is great on tire wear. At many tracks it can't be beat for tire wear, but on others it eats up tires. I think some tracks have rougher surfaces that are only suitable for certain cars. This is just a quick judgment from my memory and hasn't been exhaustively tested.
 
Michael88
Strange, I made the champoinship with it, and the AI also made it very well with the XJ9 at 2nd place overall, killing the 787 and the R92.:scared: The AI Jaggy didn't out-accelerate them but he was VERY fast around the corners and a killer at Tokio.:scared:
With the right setting even the worst cars are absolutely driveable, the CLK and the Vertigo are the worst in the champoinship (AI).

However, cause you can't drive it its not the worst group C car. I still prefer the 787b over the jaguar but saying that its the worst group C car is just a fast and unfair conclusion.
Play around with the settings and you will love that car.

I dont know the problems you guys have with that thing, its just another group C car, and they handle all the same without driving aids, even the Toyota 88 Minolta is a tyre eater. 💡

It's the worst Group C car period. Which of the Group C cars burns through tires as fast as the Jag, the Jag also has a case of oversteer, which other Group C car handles like that thing? Um, I would think that the 974hp XJ-R9 would beat the 681hp 787B, where's the logic in that statement. I won't love that car, I won't hate it, but it's not for me. I prefer other vehicles over it, and it's also very unpretty.

Please don't insinuate I have bad driving skills, so far I closing in on a sub 5 min lap on the Nür in my Sauber C9 5:09.xxx something like that, im not on the machine right now, heck I even have a video, and I made a few grass mistakes as well. Also in my S7 i can get low times on N3's the power is stock, everything else is tuned to my liking. Oh I just don't find the Jag something I like driving, I drive the CLK-GTR more than any other race car, and that is a tire burner(must be all the extra hp PD stuffed in there).

But for a novice driver learning to be competitive, use the 787B. You can't go wrong, you'll learn a lot, it's slightly underpowered, but is extremely balanced.
 
5'09, is that even possible, or close to possible? Isn't the best record known close to 5'30 or something like that.
 
It seems I'm rather behind on the online hall of fame times :lol:, I'm not remotely close to that btw.
 
SavageEvil
It's the worst Group C car period. Which of the Group C cars burns through tires as fast as the Jag, the Jag also has a case of oversteer, which other Group C car handles like that thing? Um, I would think that the 974hp XJ-R9 would beat the 681hp 787B, where's the logic in that statement. I won't love that car, I won't hate it, but it's not for me. I prefer other vehicles over it, and it's also very unpretty.

The 787b (black beauty) has around 905ps (Black used one. With totally worn out engine 891ps) with oil change not 681 ps or so, so its not underpowered. Its also lighter than any other group c car.

I dont wanted to know you driving skills, I just wanted to say that changing the settings for the jaguar is a must to make it driveable. Its not a out-of-the-box group c car, you have to try a lot with the driving AIDS.

The jaguar tends to oversteer with the original settings, just try to find you own perfect setting, you can change the handling of every car with the settings.
 
I'm thinkin GT3 with the 787B. It's around 850hp in GT4, which is utter nonsense. That's what I was referring to with the car, it's not something you give a novice to drive, they will get frustrated. It's the worst handling off the floor Group C car in GT4. This is how I judge driveability for race cars, first get them in GT Mode and then head to arcade mode, choose the car and drive them on RH tires, on Infineon, Laguna Seca and Nürburgring. Every Group C car has stiff as bricks suspension settings, but you can actually control them, the XJR-9 was the worst I've tested, oversteer that is just ridiculous. It's not about me settin the car to my liking, this is mainly for that guy who needed a car to win races, the 787B is his best bet. As for me, I drove the XJR-9 a whole lot in Test Drive Le Mans, thought it would be just as great in GT4, but it requires time and I'm not ready to assault that car as yet. It hasn't hit my favorites list yet. Good conversing with you though.


L4S my time is actually 5'07.629, with mistakes. All in arcade mode.
 
CIEN 470km/h
EDIT: I am not sure what the TCS and TSM settings are, although the only settings I have changed when I bought it was the turbo and the tyres.

Scaff
In that case they will all still be at the default setting.

Go and zero both the ASM settings and personally I would do the same with TCS, but you may want to try 1 or 2 first.

It also sounds like you have all the suspension, gerbox, etc settings set at the default values and you can do a lot to help out with them. Download and print off my guides (link in my sig) if you need any help in that area.

Regards

Scaff

I would generally assume that the more traction you get, the faster your tyres will wear out, so I can see why setting the ASM high in order to maximise grip may be hard on your tyres. However, if you have a low TCS setting and your wheels spin a lot, aren't you just burning rubber and wasting your rear tyres anyway? Has anyone tried doing a sustained burnout against a barrier and monitoring tyre wear? I would be surprised if the game didn't take this into account.
 
Automobile
I would generally assume that the more traction you get, the faster your tyres will wear out, so I can see why setting the ASM high in order to maximise grip may be hard on your tyres. However, if you have a low TCS setting and your wheels spin a lot, aren't you just burning rubber and wasting your rear tyres anyway? Has anyone tried doing a sustained burnout against a barrier and monitoring tyre wear? I would be surprised if the game didn't take this into account.

I was under the impression that more traction meant less tire wear. So I always set TCS higher. All that slipping and sliding is surely abrading the tread. I'm definitely sure GT4 tires wear more from sideway forces than forward motion. Still I'm kinda ticked when I see tires wearing like crazy on the test course. I'm a bit weak on theory and make a lot of poor assumptions.

There must be some happy TCS setting on every car that has to be found to maximize tire wear and still get decent grip. I don't think I've found that secret yet.
 
Automobile
But doesn't Arcade Mode give you driver assists? Is Arcade Mode the conventional way for setting official lap times? :odd:


You can disable all assists in Arcade mode, which is how I drive anyway. You just can't set them as indepth as in GT Mode. Arcade mode is much better for setting lap times. No engine wear, no oil change differentiations, and it forces you to use the car at a universal suspension setup.
 
SirBerra
I was under the impression that more traction meant less tire wear. So I always set TCS higher. All that slipping and sliding is surely abrading the tread. I'm definitely sure GT4 tires wear more from sideway forces than forward motion. Still I'm kinda ticked when I see tires wearing like crazy on the test course. I'm a bit weak on theory and make a lot of poor assumptions.

There must be some happy TCS setting on every car that has to be found to maximize tire wear and still get decent grip. I don't think I've found that secret yet.

Yes this was my original assumption too, that burning rubber would wear out your tyres faster. However, after reading what the others posted, I'm not so sure anymore.

Spinning the wheels might wear the tyres out slightly, but they aren't really doing any work, besides generating heat. When they are fully gripping however, they are transmitting all the work through the wheels into forward motion, which probably uses up more of the tyres as they are constantly engaged in driving the car forward through friction with the asphalt.

I know from real life that spinning the wheels is bad for the tyres. That's why I originally advocated a higher TCS setting, in order to maximise tyre efficiency. But the more I think about it, the more confusing it gets. Maybe someone with a better knowledge of physics than me can help with this one.
 
SavageEvil
You can disable all assists in Arcade mode, which is how I drive anyway. You just can't set them as indepth as in GT Mode. Arcade mode is much better for setting lap times. No engine wear, no oil change differentiations, and it forces you to use the car at a universal suspension setup.

Okay, I see. I haven't really looked at Arcade Mode much, but this is obviously the only way to standardise time attacks. 👍
 
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