A Celebration of Independence

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the last private owners of "avanti" collapsed 25-30 years ago

Time Attach: don't forget, they were made for the 63 model year, and only got tweaks over the decades.
 
The original models were interesting because of their futuristic styling. After that the "updates" that were applied pretty much ruined it.
 
well, they were trying to meet the safety requirements and mandated federal updates over the years without ruining the integrity of the Avanti styling. they failed, of course, because they didn't bother (or have the money, for that matter) to redesign the body with the requirements already built in.
 
I wish they'd come out with a modern interpretation of the Golden Hawk.:drool: This car with a tasteful modern twist would rock!👍

 
I'd drive one of those.

I was surfing ebay for studes the other day and there was a couple clean drivers that were pretty nice. There was a '61 lark with V8, column shift & original paint. I could see myself driving something like that. It just needed slot mags and a dual exhaust.
 
i DID do a couple sketches for a revived Stude group back in high school. even made a mini for European markets called Kyte. based the composite headlight's design and the grille shape on the Hawk's
 
That sounds awesome - you don't still have them do you? If so that would be awesome to look at!

I also think a Nash Metropolitan would be a cool car to have - regardless of whether it's an original or a hypothetical redo...
 
I think the notebook they were in has long since disappeared. and, besides, i can't draw a vehicle without my entire drafting kit :P
 
I wish they'd come out with a modern interpretation of the Golden Hawk.:drool: This car with a tasteful modern twist would rock!👍


I see your Golden Hawk and raise you a revived Thunderous Bird

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Hmmm... I actually see a bit of resemblance there. I hadn't noticed that before! The redone Thunderbird was a nice enough car, though I think it suffered from a lack of marketing support. It was just a little too retro at at time when retro was not cool. If they had waited just a few more years....
 
you mean BLUNDERbird. I agree with the marketing goof, but I think the timing is allringht (it came during the first wave of Automotive Nostalga 'caused by PTCruiser and New Beetle), but it needed to be SMALLER. I think they put it on to big of a borrowed platform for a return to its coupe roots.
 
May have worked on the Mustang, though it wouldn't have been civilized enough without a lot of rework.
 
I thought about that myself when I read that. A mustang chassis thunderbird almost certainly would have done better than the awful front wheel drive version did.
 
There was never an FWD T-Bird, dude. That one was Lincon LS/Jaguar S-type, and all the coupes were RWD, too.
 
I think the latest-model Thunderbird was the most retromazing, retrorific looking car of the past decade. It's like the last thin-bodied car. After that era beltlines started going up and windows kept getting smaller and cars gained visual poundage by the hour. Would love to have one. A fast one.
 
When I was a kid, and that car was new, I once drew a "GT1" version of the car...in Ford Credit paint. Sadly, said drawing is no longer with us...
 
heh...

The '80s T-Birds were actually Fox-bodies...The '90s car had it's own platform, MN12.
 
If Ford went and gave the new one a bespoke chassis I hope they at least found other uses for it since they didn't make too many of the new T-Birds... otherwise it sounds like a big $$$ loss to me!
 
Oh OK then at least they got some of their investment back! I bet those cars will start to appreciate in value within the next few years...
 
I just remembered something. the last Mercury Cougar was on an altered Mondeo platform, and I think it was too small for people's taste. mabey if theyda used the last Taurus Archetecture...
 
Well, it was in between sizes - too small to compete with cars like the Monte Carlo, and too big (well, more not focused enough) to take sales away from Integra, Civic, and the myriad DSMs.

I think had it been a bit sharper, it might have done better.
 
Yeah, I agree. The Cougar wasn't quite sure what it was supposed to be and like you say ended up in the unhappy middle because of it.

But I think with Mercury as a whole, their main problem in their final years was their lack of brand identity. You never heard much about them and they were mostly warmed-over Fords. I can't remember any car after the Cougar that didn't have a Ford equivalent, but if there were any than please by all means correct me!

They just sort of fast-faded into anonymity - I barely see any on the road - post-2000s are a rare sight in Ontario to me!
 
except, of course, our British Friends are still scratching their heads over why the Mondeo platform stuff didn't work on us Yanks. i think it was because it was too Close Coupled for comfort. did it work up there?
Merc has been on the chopping block since 2003, and only just got beheaded. mostly for the same reason that the OTHER "Merc" pitched Plymouth...clone-isim.

like the classic deaths of AMC & Stude, the demographic for most of the modern losses of cars is a drying up of the market or ideas. the only one that really puzzles me is killing of Pontiac.
 
I don't think brands like Studebaker and AMC can really be chalked up to lack of ideas/buying demographics, but rather more to just not being able to compete of a cost-effective per car basis with the larger companies. From there it became a slowly downward and irreversible spiral as each new car has a little smaller development budget than the one before, which in turns causes a few less sales, which in turn reduced available development funds, etc. etc.

On the contrary, I think companies like AMC were the most innovate of any of the companies if for no other reason than they had to be! For example, from the time the Hornet first came out in 1970, AMC got over a dozen (16, to be exact) different vehicles across 4 nameplates derived from that one platform. Pretty damn ingenious if you ask me!👍 Of course they probably woudl've liked to do something else, but they stretched what they had way better than anybody else - it lasted from 1970 until they died in 1987 - things like that are just one of the reasons I like AMC so much!:sly:

But, just for GTP's general knowledge base, the 16 vehicles I mentioned above can be broken down as follows:

AMC Hornet 2-Dr Sedan - 1970-1977
AMC Hornet 4-Dr Sedan - 1970-1977
AMC Hornet Sportabout (station wagon) - 1972-1977
AMC Hornet Hatchback - 1974-1977

AMC Gremlin - 1970-1978

AMC Concord 4-Dr Sedan - 1978-1983
AMC Concord 2-Dr Sedan - 1978-1982
AMC Concord Sportabout - 1978-1983
AMC Concord Hatchback - 1978-1979

AMC Spirit 'Kammback' - 1979-1981
AMC Spirit 'Liftback' - 1979-1983

AMC Eagle 4-Dr Sedan - 1980-1987
AMC Eagle 2-Dr Sedan - 1980-1982
AMC Eagle Wagon - 1980-1988*
AMC Eagle SX/4 - 1982-1984
AMC Eagle 'Kammback' - 1982-1983

* AMC was bought and killed off by Chrysler in 1987. The wagon version of the Eagle continued to be marketed as the 'Eagle Wagon' in the 1988 model year under the new standalone Eagle brand that Chrysler created, complete with AMC-style VIN numbers and some badging. These are often considered to be the last AMCs ever made.

Also, the AMC AMX returned as a trim package from 1977-1979 based off of the Hornet, Concord, and Spirit respectively. Although they were marketed as a separate model line, I don't tend to count them as so... I guess it's up to individual preference (that would make it 19 cars!:drool:)

So... what started out as the Hornet morphed into the Concord in an attempt to go upmarket in the cheapest manner possible (but it worked!), and the Eagle in turn was basically a lifted Concord with a Jeep power-train. The Gremlin was based off of a shorted Hornet platform, and became the Spirit Kammback, which became the Eagle Kammback... the Spirit Liftback/Eagle SX/4 was also based off of the Gremlin platform. Slightly confusing I guess... I hope I did a good job of explaining it! So clearly, AMC got good mileage out of a car that was developed in the late 60's... that platform even outlasted AMC itself!:D

Imagine if all companies could be this clever? Lecture over!:crazy::dunce:

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Note - the Spirit AMX ran the Nurburgring 24H, and I believe won in class.

Not bad for an old AMC Hornet...
 
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