Classics from the stone age

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With nothing really going on to discuss newswise and since most essential topics already seem to be present in other threads I am asking your opinions on the following.

Ever since the Bugatti brand was confirmed for GT5 in the form of the mighty Veyron I was wondering that it would be nice to also include its spiritual forebears in the form of, for example, the late twenties grand prix racer Bugatti type 35.
Also, since Bentley was present in GT4, its nemesis the "Blower" Bentley
and you could name several contemperary cars from Alfa, Mercedes-Benz, etc., etc.

Honestly, the twenties and thirties are not my favourite period in the history of the automobile but they were essential in developing the car as we know it today.
I'm not asking GT to outbranch since it already touched it slightly in some ways in GT4 by offering the 19th century Benz and Daimler and the later model T but these cars, although fun in their own way, did not exactly set my heart on fire, and the closest thing resembling what I previously mentioned was the '39 Auto-Union although it was in record car guise, so quite useless on a twisty circuit.

Just to be clear, I would be perfectly happy with GT as it is now with a lot of new cars and a large selection of classics starting from the fifties onwards.
But if GT is an encyclopedia of automotive history as Kaz always claims it is, there is a large gap between the Model T and for example the '55 Gullwing.
There should not be a large selection, just maybe 3/4 examples to bridge the timeline and offer something more unique and certainly more exciting to drive than the previously mentioned.

I might be the only one though, who thinks driving an archaic straight-eight monster from a bygone era on skinny tyres, perfectly digitally recreated, might be a lot of fun.......
 
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Wouldnt' say that you'd be alone. The Duesenberg SSJ had upwards of 300 horsepower and dual overhead cams. The Ford V8 5-window? Hot-rodder's dream.

I would also mention that the Auto Union C Streamliner is a late '30s model, built during that German upswing (unfortunately fueled by Hitler) towards WWII.
 
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Classic Bentleys as well should be included. I think for possibly GT7 Kaz will try to go back and model all those older cars in high definition, to keep the ultimate encyclopedia of a car list not only up to date, but to keep the car list ever growing
 
Wouldnt' say that you'd be alone. The Duesenberg SSJ had upwards of 300 horsepower and dual overhead cams. The Ford V8 5-window? Hot-rodder's dream.

I would also mention that the Auto Union C Streamliner is a late '30s model, built during that German upswing towards WWII.

That Duesenberg is something special! 32-valve straight-8 with siamesed ports and a centrifugal supercharger? Nutters... I bet it sounds superb!

I'd love to see anything from the 20s forwards, especially the late 30s, late 50s, and all of the 60s... :D
 
I read the thread title as "Classics from the stoner age"

I'd love some of those cars in GT5, but I think its unlikely that we get many if any of them.
 
Wouldnt' say that you'd be alone. The Duesenberg SSJ had upwards of 300 horsepower and dual overhead cams. The Ford V8 5-window? Hot-rodder's dream.

I would also mention that the Auto Union C Streamliner is a late '30s model, built during that German upswing (unfortunately fueled by Hitler) towards WWII.

Thanks for mentioning i'm not alone ;), but i did mention the Auto-Union was '39 so therefor late '30's.
You could probably name a lot of cars such as a Duesenberg, etc. but since i'm not sure this whole period will ever be substantionally covered by GT, whether it should remains open for debate i guess, i limited myself to the most famous/ essential grand prix racers of that period, mainly to avoid people saying, as in other threads suggesting other type of vehicles, they should not be included because they are rubbish on a track.
They may be rubbish/ outdated to modern standards but surely offer thrills of a different kind.
 
I read the thread title as "Classics from the stoner age"

I'd love some of those cars in GT5, but I think its unlikely that we get many if any of them.


Classics from the stoner age would cover an entirely different era, with all sorts of psychedelic paintjobs to scare away even the most open minded GT-fans.......:lol:
 
clearly i need to top up on my automotive history, this does seem pretty interesting though... kinda wish i could give more input.
i will say this though. it would be pretty cool to drive those really old cars just to see how nuts the drivers really were, and how much they didn't value their lives lol!!
 
clearly i need to top up on my automotive history, this does seem pretty interesting though... kinda wish i could give more input.
i will say this though. it would be pretty cool to drive those really old cars just to see how nuts the drivers really were, and how much they didn't value their lives lol!!

Well as you seem to be interested, and being interested is the first step to knowledge, you have plenty of time before GT5 arrives to give some input.
Thanks by the way for pointing out it could also be cool for those who aren't particularly aware/ knowledgeable about ancient car history:tup:
 
Classics from the stone age?;)

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You can always take everything literally, with all consequences.:indiff:

That's an example perhaps more suited to the new motion controller.........
 
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IMO -I know that some people will dislike it- PD should just/atleast include one Grand Prix Car
(and "LeMans Prototype") of each era in GT5.

For example, I can`t imagine any other car that represents the Motorsport in the 30`s better then the Mercedes W125.
Or those legendary Bugattis for the 20`s.
Or a Lotus/Ferrari Formula One Car for the 60`s.
 
Mercedes W124 is it? the 600 bhp one, i would love that car in GT5 ,sort the men from the boys!!! I think it would be great to have these cars as a dlc,,maybe have 5 or 6 from each era,i would love nothing more than racing a 1986 1300bhp 1986 Williams honda against the ferraris ,mclarens etc.In a nutshell analog your idea is totally bang on and i hope for this as a dlc!! no more delays please.lol
 
The W124 was an E-class, not a Le Mans car!

To be fully correct the W124 started life as the 2-300 series and evolved into the E-class and the W125 was a Grand Prix car but that's hardly anything to do with the topic, still thank you for spotting the obvious misstake.;)
 
Here are some pictures for those who might not know these cars i was talking about;

Bugatti_type_35B.jpg

1930_bentley_blower.jpg

1937_mercedes_w125.jpg

AlfaTipoC50013atCoronado.jpg

Saturday-Pre-Historics-2009-1932-Alfa-Romeo-P3-Jon-Shirley-1938-Sparks-Thome-Little-6-Joe-Freema.jpg

All in random order, and frankly randomly selected. ;)
 
The guy in the W125 kinda looks like Sir Jack Brabham, but I don't see why it would be...

That Alfa P3 is beautiful!! Some more:

BRM Type 15



'67 312


Lotus 23


Alfa Romeo 8C Type C


Ferrari 250 GT Lusso (getting a bit prancing-horse-heavy, eh?)


Or any [WIKIPEDIA]Ferrari 330[/WIKIPEDIA], or a 365 GTC (not four-cam), or a...

This may quickly become a wish-list :scared: sorry for my part in this...
 
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Love all the German racing cars in the 30's they just pushed the technological boundaries forward especially the Auto Union's with their mid-mounted engines which every one seemed to forget about for over a decade.

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Bet not many cars even into the 50's were quicker than this legend.
 
[QUOTE Ferrari 250 GT Lusso (getting a bit prancing-horse-heavy, eh?)
This may quickly become a wish-list :scared: sorry for my part in this...[/QUOTE]

I forgive you this time for including one of my all time favourite Ferrari road cars, the gorgeous Lusso :drool::drool::drool:.
And all the other suggestions, although not strictly within the era i was arguing for, are also great examples.;)
 
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The guy in the W125 kinda looks like Sir Jack Brabham, but I don't see why it would be...

That Alfa P3 is beautiful!! Some more:

BRM Type 15

If the BRM type 15 make it into GT5, I would rev it in neutral for hours and hours. :drool:
 
Ferrari 250 GT Lusso (getting a bit prancing-horse-heavy, eh?)
This may quickly become a wish-list :scared: sorry for my part in this...

I forgive you this time for including one of my all time favourite Ferrari road cars, the gorgeous Lusso :drool::drool::drool:.
And all the other suggestion, although not strictly within the era i was arguing for, are also great examples.;)

Hehe! Yeah, that's the only 250 I really like! I figured you had the thirties pretty well covered! ;)

The problem we have is that there seems to be somewhat of a gulf between 1939 and 1950... Can't for the life of me think for why this might be! :rolleyes:

P.S. I don't know why I also posted a pic of the 8C "Tipo C" - it is nice, though!
 
How about the Alfa 158 Alfetta? I think it's one of the greatest race cars ever, being developed in 1938 as a Voiturette racer (Enzo Ferrari was part of the project) and still being advanced enough to win all the Grands Prix (Albeit in the very skilled hands of Farina and Fangio) of the inaugural F1 Series thirteen years later.

Another of my favorites, though a bit past the timeframe we're talking about, is the Mercedes W196 and the derivative 300SLR.

Also missing are some of the great early luxury cars, such as the Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost and the Bugatti Royale.

All of the Grand Prix cars from the thirtiess through the fifties I think have an inherent beauty in them. In fact, I think that cars in general of that era are some of the most beautiful ever. Maybe it's more that cars only started to really get ugly in the fifties and sixties.
 
Hehe! Yeah, that's the only 250 I really like! I figured you had the thirties pretty well covered! ;)

The problem we have is that there seems to be somewhat of a gulf between 1939 and 1950... Can't for the life of me think for why this might be! :rolleyes:

P.S. I don't know why I also posted a pic of the 8C "Tipo C" - it is nice, though!

Well now you mentioned this, i totally forgot the original '49 Beetle and that old 2CV we had in GT4, all the other vehicles of that era seem to be covered well enough in a different game genre, though i'm open minded to a lot of different types of vehicles i might draw the line at lapping La Sarthe in a Hanomag half-track...;)

Oh, and i totally agree with anything from the Targa Florio and Mille Miglia list you supplied, and i really mean anything.....drool.
 
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Veyron is already in Shift and Supercar Challenge, but it's not anything special. More much disappointment rather excitement. Just line on Top Gear Track, so many people thought it will blast any time but all that power went to waste.

From oldies there would be a nice to have Porsche 956
 
Veyron is already in Shift and Supercar Challenge, but it's not anything special. More much disappointment rather excitement. Just line on Top Gear Track, so many people thought it will blast any time but all that power went to waste.

From oldies there would be a nice to have Porsche 956

The inclusion of the Veyron is not being debated here, and it being dissappointing to drive in Shift, etc. is not a benchmark of judgement in my book as those are arcade games.
I used it mainly to remind people Bugatti has a rich history, no matter how you will judge the Veyron.

And yes the Porsche 956 would be great ( however i prefer the 917 ) but although all the other cars mentioned are unlikely to appear, one thing we know for certain, Porsche will not be present in any form other than those manufactured by RUF.
 
Yes i know that. But just like on psp maybe we could download new cars from psn.

I don't think it is possible to download Porsches in the near future as they don't have the license if that's what you mean.
I hope i'm wrong and i would welcome Porsche like you, especially the older models, but again this is not the topic i meant to adress in this thread.
I only wished for the timegap that existed in GT4 to be filled in with some historic models of the brands already confirmed, or at least brands which might be included and Porsche definitely isn't.
 
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