A massive problem I see with the feedback section. Correct me if I'm wrong..

Did nobody else see the flaw since day 1? If you didn't post the idea when the feedback section opened you virtually have no chance of the idea being represented as sought after by gt5 players as it actually is in reality.

No matter how great an idea, nobody will ever read it let alone vote for it because by FAR the vast majority of people will just look at page 1 and vote for what they like best there.
There's virtually nothing new that has appeared since the feedback section launched. It's frozen dead in time in my opinion



For example I posted this shortly after the feedback section opened. However it was too late, the top 10 had already been established with 1000s of votes and that was the end of it.

http://feedback.gtplanet.net/forums...d-seasonal-events-official-lobbies-?ref=title

I find it hard to believe that NOBODY esle on GTplanet that has visited the feedback section is in favor of the ideas I posted. In fact I have seen it spoken about on gt planet since so i know it has interest. The only reason it has only 3 votes, all mine, so in other words 0 votes, is because lack of exposure, and I find this is the single fatal flaw in the way the feedback section operates and why it wont be much more than a fluke first come first serve wish list stuck in time in January 2011.

I think ideas should be bumped by the most recent post the same as forums topics are, and there should also be a grand top 20 section as well to see the most popular onces at a glance, but it should not be the fundamental structure of how it operates.

I've moved this to the GTP Site Feedback subforum, since it is really more about how the site works as opposed to GT5 itself...

It is probably more appropriate thanks.

With all due respect, it might be that nobody else is interested in your idea among the many feedback ideas we receive. We cannot force popularity; we cannot blame people for not reading every last word on our site. As long as people have the courtesy to read and follow the rules, we cannot worry about the thousands of threads that die every day. Bumping threads anywhere on our site is an example of breaking a rule.

Sorry, that's the breaks. People can be lazy, but the GT5 Feedback area was created differently that the forums on purpose.

I pointed this out a month ago & ran a poll to get others opinions, most people did not agree that there was a problem, see for yourself by clicking on the link below.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=175052#post4749546

For instance, if someone posted up the replay info problem that's on the news page, how long would it take to get to the top of the pile!

xSNAKEx

I think ideas should be bumped by the most recent post the same as forums topics are, and there should also be a grand top 20 section as well to see the most popular onces at a glance, but it should not be the fundamental structure of how it operates.

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Great idea, I agree!


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Pupik

With all due respect, it might be that nobody else is interested in your idea among the many feedback ideas we receive. We cannot force popularity; we cannot blame people for not reading every last word on our site. As long as people have the courtesy to read and follow the rules, we cannot worry about the thousands of threads that die every day. Bumping threads anywhere on our site is an example of breaking a rule.

Sorry, that's the breaks. People can be lazy, but the GT5 Feedback area was created differently that the forums on purpose.

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No offence taken. I don't demand respect, just a logical conversation.

However I think you are 100% wrong on everything you've said.

The fact of the matter is you dont need to be a genuis to have confidence that the current feedback system very heavily, if not completely attracts votes to the most popular ideas that already have a lead, NOT the best ones or the ones most people are interested in were they to have a less biased exposure to what is on offer.

Also you misunderstood the reason I brought up my own feedback topic.

It was not about a matter of ego or personal pride, I simply used my topic as an example, and pointed out the extremely unlikely scenario that out of thousands of memebers not one would be in agreement with my ideas.
Are you you honestly saying this is more likley the case, in contrast to the glaringly obvious scenario that almost nobody is reading and voting on anything other than the page 1 feedback ideas? Mind you that have been around since the feedback section was introduced...

I can find tons of great ideas that have little to no votes, better than some which have over 500x as much and certainly not 500x as bad!

If you actually beleive that every feedback topic that has thousands votes is 1000s of times more favoured than every single topic that has no votes and the system works perfectly fine then I dont think there is much more I can do to convince you.

P.S You've also misunderstood my mention of bumping most recent posts to the top as well.
I never advocated the use of self bumping to get your idea to the top as you seem to have understood is the case.
I simply meant like current process where when anyone makes a plain old forum post it rises to the top. Surely you are not saying the current process in control of and automated by the gtplanet website is against the rules?

I don't use the feedback section at all but I've noticed that it does have a Tab that sorts by most recent ideas, maybe making the page default to that tab would give more focus on ideas missed by the current system. However this would probably lead to votes being more spread out and no ideas really taking a lead within the GT community, if that happens then as a developer you can't work out what the people want from their product. Defaulting to new ideas would probably mean you see loads of duplicate ideas with a few votes each, the main idea itself would have lots of support yet because it has been entered a million times by users you have no way of seeing the scale of support.

I believe the current system is the best way about it, that way if PD ever does view the Feedback we have a few clear cut ideas with large support that shows them what the community really wants.

I been thinking the same things snake, but don't know what would be a solution, but I have some ideas. Another thing is, the software behind it, isn't from GTPlanet, so don't even know if there is something to do about it.

I do agree there is a problem, that's pretty clear when comparing the numbers on the first and second page. What I maybe would suggest is to increase the number of ideas shown per page, and make it more visible that there are more pages. Also the system could use the same kind of modding love as the forum gets, regarding duplicate ideas and ideas placed in the wrong idea forum.

Another thing that could help is maybe even divide the main idea forum into smaller sections regarding the game aspects and features. And also make it more visible that there are more then the main idea forum. Many people have missed the car and track forum, when posting their wishes on cars and tracks.

Uhm, yeah, just some ideas, cheers. But think its mostly down to the customization the software provides

I'm not faulting your idea nor your feedback post; but the point was provide awareness of the most popular requests and steer those demands away from the forums in such a way that both site features would be more constructive to anybody, say...working for a company that may or not have anything to do with a Real Driving Simulator, or our members of GTPlanet.

We can't make guarantees that any of it will make a scuessful or fruitless leap to a new update; just because a lot of people want it or don't want a feature, let alone those that aren't even aware of the request. Unfortunately, that's the structure of the feedback section, in contrast to the forums or the blog.

In any case, it may be a good idea for the feedback link to load the new ideas section by default, and then if they want to see the most popular then the user can always click the relevant button after that.

TL;DR: Replace feedback hyperlink in header with this link Feedback (Might I also suggest renaming the hyperlink to GT5 feedback, some users may think it's for site feedback)

Owen.C93

In any case, it may be a good idea for the feedback link to load the new ideas section by default, and then if they want to see the most popular then the user can always click the relevant button after that.

TL;DR: Replace feedback hyperlink in header with this link Feedback (Might I also suggest renaming the hyperlink to GT5 feedback, some users may think it's for site feedback)

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Yes its as simple as that, and something so little would go a long way.
I mean why would you want to have the most popular ones load by default. You cant miss them, everyone knows them they have been the same for months!

Also ther eneeds to be some kind of drop in votes as the months go by. If people still want that idea to be their number one prioroty they should re vote.

The big juggernaughts have gotten too much of a lead for anything else to catch them.I I think most people voted with the inital surge when the feedback section was launched and never came back, and the slower dribble of people coming into the feedback section since just look at page one and keep feeding the same ideas from then.

Owen.C93

(Might I also suggest renaming the hyperlink to GT5 feedback, some users may think it's for site feedback)

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Ah, that would help with more votes I could imagine, just need to attend to the first problem first, the visiability of other than the main forum and he first page

When you go to the Feedback tab, with a specific "want" in mind, the first thing you have to do is enter it in the Search box. If it isnt there already, you can submit it, likewise, if enough people go in wanting it, and it is there, they'll find it quite quickly.

Well if you see my idea(it's in second I think,might be third now). It was the first idea on the board. I recently made an idea for online grand tour. I even made a thread for it, and I think it still has 3 votes.