GT5 A-Spec Point Racing

The following is my idea for GT5 A-Spec Racing:

During my recent run at La Sarthe in the 24 hour endurance race, I had the time to think about what else can be done in GT5 now that I've reached the 40/40 level.

I've decided to see if there were additional challenges available.

So I took out my trusty calculator and launched a few spreadsheets on my computer, and tried out a variety of scenarios. After multiple battery replacements and a bit of carpal tunnel, I have hit upon the following idea:

ACCUMULATE 10,000 A-Spec Points!

You may ask: How can we accumulate A-spec points?

Answer: By winning A-spec races with a car that has a lower PP value than that of the AI competition.

For example: a typical opponent in the FF Challenge - Beginner Series is the Honda Prelude Si VTEC '91. This Prelude has 211HP and weights 1280kg and has a PP value at this level of tune of 401. So if you run a race and beat the Honda Prelude (and all the other AI competitors in the race) using a car with a PP value of 311 (say a Mini Cooper 1.3i '98 with 57HP and weighting 720kg) you would earn 90 A-spec points.

The GOAL is 10,000 A-spec points because there are 127 A-spec races and I think that it might be possible to have an average score of about 75 at each race.

Can 10,000 points be reached?

RULES: (open to suggestions)
1) Tires: Equal or worse in grade to the AI (for example, the AI in the Sunday Cup race use Sport Hard tires (SH), so your car must use sport hard tires or worse)
2) Must win race to earn the A-spec points

Tire factors:
10% bonus for using tires one grade worse than AI
20% bonus for using tires two grades worse than AI
30% bonus for using tires three grades worse than AI

More to follow:
Respectfully,
GTsail

Reserved for typical opponents:

Good news on this, the recent GT5 update (V1.1) has added the PP values for the AI car's in the "Typical Opponents" car window! My work is done!

One thing that I did notice is the the update dropped a few of the cars that had been listed, and it added a few cars that had not been listed originally. Don't know what the story is with this.

I will leave my post as a reference since it lists a few of the cars that the recent update dropped, and we might run against these dropped cars and might want to know what their PP values are.

Sunday Cup - Beginner Series (SH tires):
---AI Cars---------------------HP---Weight---PPV
---Mazda6 Concept '01 --------------- 175 - 1300 - 384
---Citroen C4 Coupe 2.0 VTS '05 ------ 178 - 1330 - 384
---Toyota Corolla RUNX Z Aerotourer -- 186 - 1160 - 387
---Mitsubishi FTO GR '97 ------------ 176 - 1150 - 389
---Toyota Sprinter Trueno BZ-R ------ 174 - 1080 - 387
---Toyota Corolla Levin BZ-R '98 ---- 174 - 1080 - 387
---Toyota Celica SS-II ZZT231 '99 ---- 185 - 1140 - 394
---Toyota Will VS '01 --------------- 185 - 1190 - 388
---Mazda6 5 door '03 ----------------- 175 -- 1390 -- 383
---Honda Prelude SiR '96 ------------- 193 -- 1260 -- 396
---Peugeot 207 GTi '07 --------------- 179 -- 1260 -- 394
---Nissan PRIMERA 20V '01 ------------ 196 -- 1320 -- 389
---Clio Renault Sport 2.0 16V '02 ---- 170 -- 1035 -- 399
---Mini Cooper S '07 ----------------- 172 -- 1210 -- 395
---Nissan Silvia K's Dia Sel. S13 '90 - 172 -- 1140 -- 392
---Mazda Roadster RS NC '07 ------- 165 -- 1100 -- 391

FF Challenge - Beginner Series (SH tires):
---AI Cars--------------HP---Weight---PPV
---Honda Prelude Si VTEC '91 ---- 211 - 1280 - 401
---Honda Integra Type R DC5 '03 -- 221 - 1170 - 420
---Honda Civic Type R EP '01 ---- 212 - 1190 - 414
---Fiat Coupe Turbo Plus '00 ----- 212 -- 1310 - 409
---Renault Megane Sport '08 ----- 221 -- 1400 -- 414
---Honda Accord Euro-R '02 ----- 216 -- 1390 -- 397
---Honda Prelude Type S '98 ----- 214 -- 1310 -- 399
---Honda Civic Type R '08 ------- 222 -- 1270 --
---Ford Focus ST '06 ----------- 221 -- 1430 --
---Alfa Romeo GTV 3.0 V6 24V -- 216 -- 1415 --

World Compact Championship - Beginner Series (SH tires):
---AI Cars-----------------------HP---Weight---PPV
---Peugeot 207 GTi '07 ---------179 -- 1260 --
---Citroen C4 coupe 2.0 VTS ----178 -- 1330 -- 384
---Honda Civic Type R EK '97 ---177 -- 1050 --
---Peugeot 206 RC '03 ----------174 -- 1110 -- 395
---Mazda Lantis coupe 2000Type R- 173 - 1200 --
---Mini Cooper S '07 ------------172 -- 1210 -- 395
---Ford Focus ST170 '03 --------170 -- 1240 --
---Mini Cooper S '05 ------------167 -- 1180 --
---Honda Civic SiR-II EG '95 -----166 -- 1040 -- 383
---Honda CR-X del Sol SiR '92 ---166 -- 1100 -- 378
---MG TF160 '03 ----------------159 -- 1150 -- 378
---BMW 120i '04 ----------------149 -- 1335 --

Lightweight K Cup - Beginner Series (CS tires):
---Suzuki Alto Works RS-Z '97---------63 -- 710 -- 328
---Suzuki Wagon R RR '98-------------63 -- 820 -- 300
---Daihatsu OFC-1 Concept '07--------63 -- 820 --
---Suzuki Cappuccino EA21R '95-------63 -- 690 --
---Suzuki CERVO SR '07---------------63 -- 820 --
---Suzuki Alto Works Spt Ltd '97-------63 -- 710 -- 326
---Daihatsu MIRA TR-XX Avanzato '97--63 -- 700 --330
---Daihatsu Cuore TR-XX Avanzato '97--63 -- 700 --
---Daihatsu Midget II D Type '98-------63 -- 570 --
---Daihatsu MOVE CX '95--------------63 -- 740 -- 307
---Mazda Autozam AZ-1 '92-----------63 -- 720 --

Japanese Classic - Beginner Series (CS tires):
---Dome Zero Concept '78------------162 -- 920 -- 403
---Nissan Skyline HT 2000GTR '70-----157 -- 1100 -- 373
---Nissan Skyline 2000GTR KPGC110 '73---157 -- 1145 -- 369
---Toyota 2000GT '67----------------154 -- 1120 -- 1120 -- 373
---Nissan Skyline Spt Coupe BLRA '62---153 -- 1350 -- 354
---Nissan 240ZG HS30 '71------------148 -- 1010 -- 377
---Nissan Fairlady 240ZG '71---------148 -- 1010 -- 377
---Nissan Silvia CSP311 '65----------147 -- 980 -- 380
---Nissan Bluebird HT 1800SSS '79----147 -- 1050 --
---Nissan Fairlady Z 280-L 2seater '78---147 -- 1225 -- 368
---Isuzu 117 Coupe '68--------------143 -- 1050 -- 369

Yaris/Vitz Race - Beginner Series (SH tires):
---Toyota Vitz RS 1.5 '07--------------138 -- 1070 - 361
---Toyota Vitz RS Turbo '02------------137 -- 980 -- 378
---Toyota Yaris RS Turbo J '02---------137 -- 980 -- 378
---Toyota Vitz RS 1.5 '00--------------128 -- 940 -- 362
---Toyota Yaris RS 1.5 J '00-----------128 -- 940 -- 362
---Toyota Vitz U Euro Spt Edition '00--118 -- 850 -- 366
---Toyota Yarix U Euro Spt Ed. J '00---118 -- 850 -- 366
---Toyota Vitz F '99-------------------113 -- 820 --
---Toyota Yaris F J '99----------------113 -- 820 --

European Classic Car - Beginner Series (CS tires):
---Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Speciale '63---147 -- 950 -- 371
---Alfa Romeo Spider 1600 Duetto '66-------147 -- 960 --
---Alpine A310 1600VE '73------------------143 -- 930 --
---Alpine A110 1600S '73-------------------138 -- 715 -- 419
---Lotus Europa Special '71----------------137 -- 730 -- 416
---Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA 1600 '65---133 -- 745 -- 400
---VW Golf I GTI '76-----------------------133 -- 820 -- 386
---Triumph Spitfire 1500 '74---------------128 -- 805 -- 397
---Lotus Elan SI '62-----------------------118 -- 639 -- 413
---Autobianchi A112 Abarth '79-------------113 -- 700 -- 401
---Ginetta G4 '64---------------------------90 -- 454 -- 441
---Mini Marcos GT '70-----------------------88 -- 559 -- 405

World Classic Car - Beginner Series (CS tires):
---Chevy Corvette Convertible C1 '54-------207 -- 1309 -- 399
---Toyota 2000GT '67-----------------------202 -- 1120 -- 409
---Isuzu Bellett 1600GTR '69---------------197 -- 970 -- 413
---Isuzu 117 coupe '68---------------------197 -- 1050 -- 406
---Nissan Silvia CSP311 '65----------------197 -- 980 -- 411
---Nissan Skyline 2000GTB S54A '67---------197 -- 1095 -- 406
---Nissan Fairlady 2000SR311 '68-----------196 -- 930 -- 419
---Alfa Romeo Spider 1600 Duetto '66-------187 -- 960 --
---Mazda Cosmo Sport L10A '67--------------187 -- 940 -- 409
---Mazda 110S L10A '67---------------------187 -- 940 -- 409
---Mazda 110S L10B '68---------------------186 -- 960 -- 410
---Mazda Cosmo Sport L10B '68--------------186 -- 960 -- 410

FR Challenge - Beginner Series (SM tires):
---BMW M3 '04------------------------------339 -- 1570 --
---Nissan Fairlady Z Z34 '08---------------331 -- 1530 -- 468
---Chevy Corvette Grand Sport C4 '96-------330 -- 1496 -- 466
---Infiniti Coupe Concept '06--------------330 -- 1665 -- 459
---Chevy Camaro Ss '00---------------------326 -- 1560 -- 460
---Toyota Supra RZ '97---------------------326 -- 1510 -- 472
---Buick GNX '87---------------------------320 -- 1600 -- 446
---Shelby Series One SuperCharged '03------319 -- 1202 -- 486
---BMW M Coupe '98-------------------------317 -- 1465 -- 449
---Lexus SC 430 US '01---------------------316 -- 1730 --
---Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX231 '83----------315 -- 1380 -- 464
---Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX Vers S Twin '98-314 -- 1520 -- 455

Clubman Cup Championship - Amateur Series (SM tires):
---VW Golf V GTI '05-----------------------252 -- 1336 -- 441
---Audi S3 '02-----------------------------252 -- 1420 -- 430
---Mazda Atenza Sport 25Z '07--------------251 -- 1470 -- 431
---BMW 120i '04----------------------------251 -- 1335 -- 441
---Peugeot 207 GTI '07---------------------251 -- 1260 -- 444
---Toyota Celica GT-FOUR ST205 '98---------251 -- 1390 -- 424
---Audi A3 3.2 quattro '03-----------------251 -- 1495 -- 427
---Subaru Legacy B4 3.0R '03---------------251 -- 1460 --
---Chrysler Crossfire '04------------------247 -- 1361 -- 436
---VW Golf IV GTI '01----------------------246 -- 1280 -- 427
---Alfa Romeo GTV 3.0 V6 24V '01-----------246 -- 1415 -- 418
---Nissan Silvia spec-R Aero S15 '99-------246 -- 1240 -- 435

European Hot Hatch - Amateur Series (SH tires):
---Peugeot 207 GTI '07---------------------220 -- 1260 -- 427
---Peugeot 307 X5i '04---------------------217 -- 1260 -- 415
---Citroen C4 Coupe 2.0 VTS '05------------217 -- 1330 -- 419
---Alfa Romeo 147 2.0 Twin Spark '02-------217 -- 1280 -- 420
---VW Golf IV GTI '01----------------------217 -- 1280 -- 410
---BMW 120i '04----------------------------217 -- 1335 -- 421
---Alfa Romeo 147 TI 2.0 Twin Spark '06----216 -- 1280 -- 411
---Renault Megane 2.0 16V '03--------------212 -- 1230 --
---Mini Cooper S '07-----------------------212 -- 1210 -- 423
---Mini Cooper S '05-----------------------211 -- 1180 -- 421
---VW New Beetle 2.0 '00-------------------208 -- 1228 -- 411
---Citroen Xsara VTR '03-------------------202 -- 1180 -- 414

This is going to take a while to list all the cars and check their PP values

More to follow
GTsail

Reserved for Results:

I'm off!!

Sunday Cup - Beginner Series(SH tires):
Track - Autumn Ring Mini:
Car Used: Nissan Skyline Sport Coupe '62
---------HP 80
---------Wgt 1350
---------PPV 277

Against: Mazda6 Concept '01
---------HP 175
---------Wgt 1300
---------PPV 384

A-spec points earned: 107

FF Challenge - Beginner Series (SH tires):
Track - Suzuka East:
Car Used: Mini Cooper 1.3i '98
----------HP 57
----------Wgt 720
----------PPV 311

Against: Honda Prelude Si VTEC '91
---------HP 211
---------Wgt 1280
---------PPV 401

A-spec points earned: 90

World Compact Championship - Beginner Series (SH tires):
Track: Madrid Mini:
Car Used: Daihatsu Copen Detachable Top '02
----------HP 59
----------Wgt 800
----------PPV 310

Against: Mini Cooper S '07
---------HP 172
---------Wgt 1210
---------PPV 395

A-spec points earned: 85

Japanese Classic - Beginner Series (CS tires):
Track: Grand Valley East:
Car Used: Nissan Silvia CSP311 '65
----------HP 125
----------Wgt 1050
----------PPV 355

Against: Dome Zero Concept '78
---------HP 162
---------Wgt 920
---------PPV 403

A-spec points earned: 88 (used CM tires)

Yaris/Vitz Race - Beginner Series (SH tires):
Track: FUJI Speedway:
Car Used: Toyota Vitz U Euro Sport Edition '00
----------HP 84
----------Wgt 850
----------PPV 325

Against: Toyota Vitz RS Turbo '02
---------HP 137
---------Wgt 980
---------PPV 378

A-spec points earned: 129 (used CM tires)

European Classic Car - Beginner Series (CS tires):
Track: Madrid Mini:
Car Used: Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA '65
----------HP 108
----------Wgt 745
----------PPV 374

Against: Ginetta G4 '64
---------HP 90
---------Wgt 454
---------PPV 441

A-spec points earned: 111 (used CM tires)

World Classic Car - Beginner Series (CS tires):
Track: La Sarthe:
Car Used: Mazda 110S L10A '67
----------HP 130
----------Wgt 1050
----------PPV 360

Against: Nissan Fairlady 2000 '68
---------HP 196
---------Wgt 930
---------PPV 419

A-spec points earned: 143 (used CH tires)

FR Challenge - Beginner Series (SM tires):
Track: Trial Mountain:
Car Used: Nissan Silvia K Aero S14 '96
----------HP 210
----------Wgt 1280
----------PPV 412

Against: Shelby Series One SuperCharged
---------HP 319
---------Wgt 1202
---------PPV 486

A-spec points earned: 171 (used CS tires)

This is going to take a while since I have to do a lot of research on PP values first!

Enjoy the racing!
GTsail

I think we all begin to search for something that is FUN and CHALLENGING once we get to 40/40. You drive cars you bought and didn't use, you buy cars you did not need.
You find the fun in driving. Then you hit on your idea, which is a minimalistic view. What is the least powerful car that will kick some a**. Not sure if I can type that word.
I will try some of these when I get home tonight.
👍

GTsail290

The following is my idea for GT5 A-Spec Racing:

During my recent run at La Sarthe in the 24 hour endurance race, I had the time to think about what else can be done in GT5 now that I've reached the 40/40 level.

I've decided to see if there were additional challenges available.

So I took out my trusty calculator and launched a few spreadsheets on my computer, and tried out a variety of scenarios. After multiple battery replacements and a bit of carpal tunnel, I have hit upon the following idea:

ACCUMULATE 10,000 A-Spec Points!

You may ask: How can we accumulate A-spec points?

Answer: By winning A-spec races with a car that has a lower PP value than that of the AI competition.

For example: a typical opponent in the FF Challenge - Beginner Series is the Honda Prelude Si VTEC '91. This Prelude has 211HP and weights 1280kg and has a PP value at this level of tune of 401. So if you run a race and beat the Honda Prelude (and all the other AI competitors in the race) using a car with a PP value of 311 (say a Mini Cooper 1.3i '98 with 57HP and weighting 720kg) you would earn 90 A-spec points.

The GOAL is 10,000 A-spec points because there are 127 A-spec races and I think that it might be possible to have an average score of about 75 at each race.

Can 10,000 points be reached?

RULES: (open to suggestions)
1) Tires: Equal in grade to the AI (for example, the AI in the Sunday Cup race use Sport Hard tires (SH), so your car must use sport hard tires as well)
2) Must win race to earn the A-spec points

More to follow:
Respectfully,
GTsail

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The idea is not bad but I dislike the UPGRADING of the tyres.
Try to win them with stock cars.

How many points would give this : https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5299121#post5299121

btw I had downgraded the tyres for an online race.


raVer

-raVer-

The idea is not bad but I dislike the UPGRADING of the tyres.
Try to win them with stock cars.

raVer

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I get what you're saying raVer about the tires. I've done a few races with the tires one step down from the AI's tires and had some decent races, but of course received fewer A-spec points since I had to increase the tune. As you know, GT4 would adjust the A-spec points for the tire downgrade, but since GT5 does not, I did not want to complicate the calculation initially. Perhaps we should require the tire downgrade but reward some sort of A-spec point constant for this downgrade (like the 60 point factor in GT4). I will work on this further.

I was also thinking ahead to when we are racing against the race cars and they would be on Race Hard tires, so being a step down on Sport softs would not seem realistic.

Perhaps in the Beginner Race Series we should always be on tires that are one grade worse, but maybe by the Expert or Extreme Series we would need to use the same tires.

Respectfully,
GTsail

My idea for the tyre calculation is:

2 grades higher than AI = A-Spec points / 2
1 grade higher than AI = A-Spec points / 1.5
same grade than AI = A-Spec points x1
1 grade lower x1.5
2 grades lower x2

and so on


raVer

The only problem i see with that is people like me, who would probably have 10000 A-Spec points by now, but aren't level 40.

Great idea and I believe fully achievable. As a matter of fact you probably achieved that on your way to lvl 40. I think most of us already use cars substantially lower in HP/PP in the A-spec races just to make them competitive; I know I do. Getting to lvl 40 by blowing away all the comp ain't no fun.

Level 34 here, and the fastest car I used in A-spec is a Lupo GTI with comfort medium

I like your homemade A-spec points calculation. Too bad the game doesn't do itself like in GT4

Ok, I've done some more testing:

I downgraded my tires to one level worse than the AI, and ran races at the following tracks for a test sample:

Nurburgring - Lupo Cup - Professional Series
Daytona Road - Tuned Car Championship - Expert Series
Rome - Gallardo Trophy - Expert Series
Suzuka - Super GT - Extreme Series
Indianapolis - American Championship - Extreme Series

And in all cases, I had good races with a de-tuned car against the AI on tires that were one grade below the AI's tires. The only exception was the Tuned Car Championship. In this Series it was easy to win with a tire that was three grades lower!!

Its apparent from this small test that we would get better racing in most cases if we ran the race on tires that were one grade below the competition (sometimes even two grades would be ok in the easier Series on tracks with the longer straights).

The advantage to this would be that we could use cars that are closer in tune (and PP values) to the competition. Sure it would mean that we couldn't kill the AI in the corners, but it would allow us to mostly stay with the AI on any tracks that had longer straights like Monza or FUJI.

So I've done some testing and come up with some initial factors to adjust the PP values.

I propose that we use the following factors and add them to the AI's PP value before subtracting the PP value of our cars:

Same tire ----- no adjustment
1 grade worse --- 10%
2 grades worse -- 20%
3 grades worse -- 30%

Note - The above is just my initial proposal on this, so these factors are not set in stone just yet.

For example: If the AI car's PP value was 401 (the Honda Prelude Si VTEC '91) and you won a race with a car that had a PP value of 350 on tires one grade worse than the AI Honda, you would earn 91 A-Spec points (401 * 1.1 - 350 = 91). If you won this same race on tires that were two grades worse you would earn 131 A-Spec points (401 * 1.2 - 350 = 131).

Respectfully,
GTsail

This is a really good idea, an update by PD to include this in game would be brilliant, and maybe a trophy to achieve 10,000 points as you suggest, forcing people who want 100% to race a spec with competition and make it much more interesting........ I Agree with your idea!!!!👍

Tuning parts need to be taken into calculation too aswell as the use of the power limiter


raVer