High Performance '93 Mustang AKA First Legit Car

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So pretty soon I'm going to start saving up for my legit first car (yup, I know). Well, after I get my GT5 racing wheel lol. But I already know what I want, and what I have planned to do to it, and I'm going all out. I don't car if it would be overwhelming to better to start off small, I'm going for an extremely high perfomance (and street legal) Mustang. I've got a few around town for sale, so I'm going to search around a bit more and see what the deal is. I plan on picking up a '93 Mustang (possibly a Cobra), or any foxbody Mustang, and building the crap out of it.

I've going to be applying for another job at some point. I've worked on cars before and have a lot of experience in this stuff, but I've still yet to even get my permit in NYS, but I do know how to drive. In fact had I gotten it on my birthday, I'd have my normal license by now. I just got hung up with other things so I hadn't really gotten a chance to go and get it.

Basically, I've got a 1975 Ford 351W block, already bored out 30 over. It NEEDS to go 60, maybe I can get away with 40 or 50 over, because it was already built once, and I mean BUILT, as in 700hp. Connecting rods and internals cracked and landed in the oil pan. My dad says the block is shot and I'm better off getting a new one like a crate, as boring it out 60 over isn't really worth it. I plan on doing an entire engine swap for this Windsor.

As far as body work goes, the one I'm looking at is in excellent shape, been garaged half it's life. The only after market is chrome wheels. I want to paint it light red with clearcoat and have a set of white dual racing stripes down the center of the car, with side skirts and LEDS underneath and lowriding bumpers. I'm going to put Flowmasters on it at some point and bend them to point out going through the sideskirts just before the rear wheels, which will be replaced with chrome star wheels and chrome trim will be on the rest of the car, specifically around windows and edges, like the grill and taillights. Taillights will probably be left stock, as I hate all aftermarket tailights that are available for it.

As far as the engine, I think we've got a second set of Ranchero heads to throw on the Windsor (if not I'll pick up a really good set), as well as a Holley 4bbl 600CFM carb, Edelbrock intake and filters, headers, overbore it, and I want to stroke it. I'll probably either supercharge it, maybe turbocharge it but I don't really need a lot of high end torque. Obviously it'll be a gas guzzler, maybe 2-3 miles a gallon if I'm lucky. I don't car about that at this point, and the Windsor we run in our truck now isn't so bad as far as gas money lol. I'll obviously have to do more than that though for power, like increasing compression and the like, replacing parts and the like. I'm only really going for 500-550 hp at most, I'm not going for those big drag monsters. I've heard that they can safely run almost 12:1 compression so I'll have to wait and see. My biggest worry is that running a 60 overbore that it will overheat easy and crack the block. Then I'd have to go junkyarding lol. By the time this is all said and done (body mods can wait) I'm looking to only spend maybe 8G's total, I've seen these things topped for under 10 grand so we'll see where it goes.

As far as weight reduction, I'm removing all glass windows and replacing them with a lighter alternative, removing all extra seats and carpet, probably will tune gear ratios and convert to standard trans if it's automatic (not sure yet, haven't seen the interior).

Anyways ya. I'm going for it. I don't care if I need to start small. I want this and have wanted it since I was little, nothings stopping me now (except maybe money, but I'm putting every bit of my paycheck into it. When the car is done, then I'll think about moving out. Probably won't be done for a few years though). Thoughts?



BTW, for wheels and paint, this is perfect:


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Pretty typical build, from the sound of it. Especially for where I live.

I say get atypical.

Get a Sierra Cosworth engine.

Also...no stripes.
 
A stock 5.0/5 speed from those years is going to get to 60 in under 7 seconds with a competent driver. 6.1 was what the reviews all clocked it at. And that's out of a whopping 225 horsepower. It's going to be more than enough for a 16 year old. It'd be more than enough for me, and you'll blow traffic away. A lot of people mod their cars to make them as quick as fox bodies were in stock form, so don't think too much about building it right now. Focus on finding a good one.

'89 and newer foxes were MAF, '87-'92 had forged pistons stock.

How much money are you looking to spend? Because the build you've outlined is a 10,000 dollar build at least, plus the price of the car. Not to mention insurance is going to absolutely rape a 16 year old with more than 500 horses under the hood.

If you're looking to build it yourself, get a 4cyl, and swap in the 5.0. You'll have a 4cyl vin which helps a lot with insurance. The T5 was the same in the 2.3 and 5.0, only difference is the spring rates and possibly the rear end. Which you'd need a new one for anyways running big power like that.


Moral of this long post: Get the fox (love em), learn to drive the piss out of it, and mod the suspension first, it'll be more rewarding because I know it's not getting drag raced every weekend. And then after you get a DD, start the crazy build
 
Hang on, maybe I missed it, but what do you want to do with this car? As in will it be your DD? dedicated track car? weekend/nice day fun car?

A bored/stroked Windsor isn't going to net you 500+ hp. Even if it did, how do you plan on putting that power to the ground? A T5 isn't going to hold, and neither is the 8.8 rear. What about the suspension?

I don't think you really comprehend the amount of $ it takes to build a car to the level that you want. Hope you have a good job lined up man.
 
As a former 5.0 Fox owner you will definitely love this car. Definitely more power than any 16 year old would need, so don't end up wrapping yourself around a pole. Oh and they're incredibly sketchy in the rain with that high torque short wheelbase combo....

As for engines.... Stick with the 5.0 for sure.........

 
If you're looking to build it yourself, get a 4cyl, and swap in the 5.0. You'll have a 4cyl vin which helps a lot with insurance. The T5 was the same in the 2.3 and 5.0, only difference is the spring rates and possibly the rear end. Which you'd need a new one for anyways running big power like that.

This is a good point. In order for the things you outlined to work, you're going to need to basically tear down the car to nothing. It's more cost effective to get a rolling shell and building from there.

Hang on, maybe I missed it, but what do you want to do with this car? As in will it be your DD? dedicated track car? weekend/nice day fun car?

A bored/stroked Windsor isn't going to net you 500+ hp. Even if it did, how do you plan on putting that power to the ground? A T5 isn't going to hold, and neither is the 8.8 rear. What about the suspension?

I don't think you really comprehend the amount of $ it takes to build a car to the level that you want. Hope you have a good job lined up man.

A stroked Windsor making 500hp+? Easy. But I can't agree more with the rest of this post. You're going to be spending lots of money on things that you haven't even considered yet.

Things to consider:
Why do you want 500 horsepower? Are you going to race the car (be realistic here) or are you just going to show off. If it's the latter, then you wont be able to put down any of the power and will have to put thousands of dollars into suspension, chassis, and drive train parts just to make sure the car doesn't literally tear itself to sherds

Have you researched how much parts cost? If your block is shot, it's shot. Don't go trying to put 500 horsepower in it. It's costs upwards of $4,000 to make an engine with 300hp+, upwards of $10,000 for a powerful crate engine.

Are you underestimating the importance of gas mileage? 2-3 mpg is a low estimate, but even low 10's will hurt you. If you live 3 miles from school, chances are you'll be pitting for gas once a week. Say goodbye to those upgrades. I see lots of kids saying "Meh, I'll just deal with it," sell their car in a matter of months because it's so damn depressing to burn through money at that rate.

How will you get around when your car is inoperable?

Things that you're just plain doing wrong:

Stripping the sound deadening and running flowmasters on a 500hp engine sounds like hardcore fun. It's not. Don't do it or you'll hate yourself. Try listening to a clip of any car revving 3000rpm's for 15 minutes straight and you'll see why.

You will not make enough money to achieve the goals you outlined. You haven't even purchased a car yet. You don't know what kind of electrical and mechanical problems you're going to have to diagnose and fix.

Even if you had all the money and a project car. The sheer time and effort required for this sort of thing is more than you think. Do you expect to just immediately pick up body work and fabrication skills?

TL;DR version for idiots:
What are you really using your car for? What sounds good but won't do anything or even bother you on a day to day basis?

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Chrome+White stripes=tacky
Go for something unique when it comes to the exterior.
 
I know it may be overwhelming. I definitly don't want a blower on it but i know it's still possbile to push 500 horse out with out it. I'll be on the track a lot aswell, and I won't be paying for insurance, I'll be on my parents plan for a while. When the time comes, I'll keep the Stang for racing and downgrade to another car to lower insurance costs.

I already know how to do pretty much everything I want to do so that's not a problem. I have available options as far as transportation if something happens.

As far a a job, I've got a few well paying jobs I'm applying for and have a really good chance of getting.

Hell, I'd run it straight pipe if it wasn't illegal here lol. I'll be at the track more than a dialy driver.
 
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I've got a few well paying jobs I'm applying for and have a really good chance of getting.

Not to sound like a downer here, but it's wise not to count chickens until they hatch.

Big dreams for cars are cool and all but starting a thread about doing this, doing that and having a car with big power etc when you've only just got your license and no means to fund the project sounds a bit well... You know...

I'm not a fan of these threads about "I'm going to do this, do that". Normally it doesn't happen like that, and life kicks in with all its different priorities.

If it gets off the ground the way you want it too, sweet, post away and I'll enjoy watching the progress.
 
Not to sound like a downer here, but it's wise not to count chickens until they hatch.

Big dreams for cars are cool and all but starting a thread about doing this, doing that and having a car with big power etc when you've only just got your license and no means to fund the project sounds a bit well... You know...

I'm not a fan of these threads about "I'm going to do this, do that". Normally it doesn't happen like that, and life kicks in with all its different priorities.

If it gets off the ground the way you want it too, sweet, post away and I'll enjoy watching the progress.

I see what you getting at, and I was totally aware of said things when I posted.
 
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I already know how to do pretty much everything I want to do so that's not a problem.

What sort of real life experience do you have?

Have you ever welded anything? What sort of tools are in your garage?

EDIT: Are you a member of any racing/auto-x clubs?
 
As a former 5.0 Fox owner you will definitely love this car. Definitely more power than any 16 year old would need, so don't end up wrapping yourself around a pole. Oh and they're incredibly sketchy in the rain with that high torque short wheelbase combo....

As for engines.... Stick with the 5.0 for sure.........


^^^ That.
 
What sort of real life experience do you have?

Have you ever welded anything? What sort of tools are in your garage?

EDIT: Are you a member of any racing/auto-x clubs?



I have everything that I'm going to need, and I'm currently enrolled in an Auto program for kicks. Welding, yes. Tools, everything you can possibly buy basically from Snap-On, Mac and Craftsman. If I need something I'll head to the shop to get it or pick something up. I have everything I need since my dad has done this stuff before.
 
I'm going to sound like an old man, but....

I once dreamed of a 500+hp car as well. I started working (and saving) at age 15, and by my mid 20's I had enough to buy a new 2012 Nissan GTR.

I ended up planning for the future and using about half that money to put a down payment on a house. Best investment I ever made.

If you want a fox-body, go for it. But I wouldn't mod it as much you are planning. Especially at your age.
 
Get driving lessons before you get 500hp. You need to be in a mental and emotional state where you have nothing to prove to anybody. Otherwise you're going to find yourself wrapped around a tree because you thought you could hold a powerslide around a bend. Spend money on some driving instruction. Make your car stop well with good safety equipment (better seat belts, etc.) before you even think of upgrading the rest of it.

I heard of a kid who spent 3 years working on an older M3 only to crash into a tree literally 30 minutes after it was finally put on the ground.
 
Sounds good slashfan. Dream it and build it. I'm partial to the 5.0 myself. Had a 93 coupe going 11.7 straight motor with full interior and ac. Try restoring it first to near stock condition and you will be surprised how fast and fun these things were. Good luck.
 
Sounds good slashfan. Dream it and build it. I'm partial to the 5.0 myself. Had a 93 coupe going 11.7 straight motor with full interior and ac. Try restoring it first to near stock condition and you will be surprised how fast and fun these things were. Good luck.

The one I'm looing at buying is pretty much all stock, 5.0 and the only aftermarket is wheels. I'm not the type that will go drifting in my car, or speed down the road and risk a ticket. I plan on driving normally at the speed limit and only using the monster power at the track. Besides, I've driven stock cars at dirt tracks around and our truck. The old motor as I said was cranking 700+ horse so I know what power feels like.
 
Did you drive the anything with the old motor in it, or just ride along?

From the basic description you're giving of the starter car, I'm jealous! Seems like a really nice fox. Is it a 5 speed or auto?
 
Did you drive the anything with the old motor in it, or just ride along?


Drove once, usually ride. Used as a work horse now now. **** ton of low end torque. Tiny push on the pedal and your moving.


From the basic description you're giving of the starter car, I'm jealous! Seems like a really nice fox. Is it a 5 speed or auto?

It's been garaged it's whole life pretty much except for daily driving to work or whatever, has 107k miles on it, it's in amazing shape. The owners have taken good care of it. It's an automatic 5 speed. I just wish it didn't have the 302, I'd rather have the 351 in it.If I end up ripping the 302 out like I want I'll throw it in something else later. I'm now debating between this Cobra and an '85 Mustang GT down the street for $1500 cheaper.
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What type of transmission is that? Considering the auto's on fox's were. 4spds.

Btw, here's pics of my old 87 GT Fox 5spd. The damn car was so mint it was ridiculous. Especially for a Canadian car!













 
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Drove once, usually ride. Used as a work horse now now. **** ton of low end torque. Tiny push on the pedal and your moving.


It's been garaged it's whole life pretty much except for daily driving to work or whatever, has 107k miles on it, it's in amazing shape. The owners have taken good care of it. It's an automatic 5 speed. I just wish it didn't have the 302, I'd rather have the 351 in it.If I end up ripping the 302 out like I want I'll throw it in something else later. I'm now debating between this Cobra and an '85 Mustang GT down the street for $1500 cheaper.

351s have monster torque, it's sweet. Sounds like a truck engine though, I'll bet you that engine versus the 302 in that mustang, the Mustang is faster already. But throw that in there and do wheelies :dopey:

It's a cobra?? I thought it was just a GT. Do you know how rare fox body cobras are? That's not a car to mod, trust me! But then again if it's got a 5 speed automatic somebody has already ripped out the original tranny and replaced it. They came with 4 speed auto from the factory.

After you get it, wanna trade for a great '91 F150? :lol:
 
351s have monster torque, it's sweet. Sounds like a truck engine though, I'll bet you that engine versus the 302 in that mustang, the Mustang is faster already. But throw that in there and do wheelies :dopey:

It's a cobra?? I thought it was just a GT. Do you know how rare fox body cobras are? That's not a car to mod, trust me! But then again if it's got a 5 speed automatic somebody has already ripped out the original tranny and replaced it. They came with 4 speed auto from the factory.

After you get it, wanna trade for a great '91 F150? :lol:


I was pretty sure it was 5 speed auto, but you guys were right, it's a 4 speed auto. Hadn't driven it yet so I wasn't sure.

And yes, it's a Cobra. There is a GT down the street though, porbably about a half mile. And yes the 351 is a truck engine =P Both are/were

Haha maybe, I've always wanted a truck =P I'd give ya the GT though lol


Also, the cobra is EXACTLY the same as the pictures above, minus the 5.0 on the side, those were taken off. Wheels and all. Now that I can see the pcitures lol the GT has the chrome wheels (and in better shape as far as paint). I'll try to get pics this week of both.. The only difference in those pictures are the missing 5.0 and the fact the paint is faded, almost looks like light matte red that faded.
 
The car you pictured is a LX 5.0. Cobras were only made in '93, and only in hatch back form.
 
The car you pictured is a LX 5.0. Cobras were only made in '93, and only in hatch back form.

The one for sale is a '93, so when he said 87 I was like ok....I was pretty sure the front headlights were pushed into the frame until '91ish
 
The one for sale is a '93, so when he said 87 I was like ok....I was pretty sure the front headlights were pushed into the frame until '91ish

The '93 you're talking about is not a Cobra. Or are you talking about ND4SPD's red fox on further up the page? His ain't a cobra either :lol: That was some canadian trim package or something, he posted it about it in the thread for that car
 
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