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- Negrumir
Okay, this might end up being a quick question, it might also delve into some tuning discussion. So mods, if I put this in the wrong section, or if there's a thread that answers these questions; do as you must.
I'm going to be rather specific so this likely won't already have been covered and I just couldn't find it.
Anyway, first question. To be answered after reading the whole post.
Am I simply not cut out for NASCAR/ do I just suck?
I've beaten the NASCAR special challenges, hated them, beat nearly everything else in the game. Just to say that I'm not that terrible. lol
Is my set up just bad?
I know it can be improved, but for these cars, the usual things seem to not have the effect they usually do. I'll post what I can remember of it and how I drive.
Is the NASCAR A.I. just a bunch of complete *** holes?
I'm fairly certain they're prejudiced against me. Does anyone else notice this?
Now to explain my story to better help you answer my questions.
That NASCAR at Nurburgring Seasonal a while ago, I couldn't even catch the last car. Within 30 seconds, I couldn't even see the pack and the gap just widened until it was about 45 seconds by the end of the first lap. Gave it my all, tried a dozen set ups, retried the event about 30 times before giving up in frustration.
Now, I've tried the NASCAR championship, ended up in second due to an unforeseen dead-last at High Speed Ring. (Got wrecked twice and couldn't catch up fast enough) and a 10th place at Daytona. (saw this coming) With a simple retry, I'm certain I'll be able to get gold, but I'm more trying to improve how I handle these cars than just win.
I have to set ups, on for oval/super fast tracks, and one for technical courses.
The one for Ovals:
Downforce: 35 front, 40 rear. (c'mon who needs downforce on an oval?)
Transmission, I can't remember mostly. The important parts are 3rd and 4th gear. 3rd takes me to 209 so I don't lose as much speed in corners. 4th will go up past 240 or something so I can use the huge slipstream boost to catch up on straights.
Suspension.
Every thing left default except Camber and toe. Toe in the rear is set to 0.0 instead of +.20. Camber front/rear is 6.0 5.4 respectively.
Diff slip is 40 initial 40 accel 20 decel.
Running on Racing softs with ABS at 1 and no other assists. Using a DS3.
The problems I'm having with it:
Indy is a cakewalk, the A.I. are too slow through the corners and I cruise on past them. Daytona ruins me every time. When I hit a corner, I take the middle or inner line and just lose speed from 214-228+ until I'm at about 190 upon exit. The A.I. catches up and goes blazing past mid/end corner. (or slams me or pits me)
What am I doing wrong? I can catch them and accelerate faster than them on the straights, but the big corners cause me slow down so much that most of them pass me. I mean, they must be going 210 - 220 and just hold it; exiting at around 200 or more every time. (varies +/- if in slipstream/not)
So I've not been able to get any better than 7th on this race. Due to slowing down, I either get passed or they just slam me at +20MPH of my speed, or impose themselves on my driving line and I'm spun out. I've tried to simply ride at the back of the pack and use slipstream to pass at the last moment, but they either just pull away from me, or a couple cars hang back and the rest of the pack pulls away.
Now for the problems I'm having with technical courses; Grand Valley Speedway and Laguna Seca:
My tune:
Downforce max on front/rear.
Transission set to a max of 210MPH. No special adjustments other than 1st being bumped to a higher speed a little bit. (to reduce the chance of wheelspin exiting slow corners.)
Suspension: Ride height dropped as low as possible. Rear toe set to 0.0 Front toe set to -.10
Front/rear camber set to 2.0/1.5 respectively.
Everything else default.
Diff-slip is 40 initial, 40 accel, 15 decel.
Running on Racing softs, no assists except ABS 1.
The problems I'm having. Nothing that stops me from winning, but it's problematic. The tires are constantly losing traction when accelerating, braking and cornering. Going into the red and/or creating clouds of smoke. Accelerating I understand, but braking and cornering? I've driven every other class of car and none of them do this, or at least, not to this extreme.
For example, coming up and over the slightly winding hill after the first hairpin at Grand Valley. Tires lose traction through the easy corners at the top of the hill, car wobbles severely. Then the front tires lock up as I apply the brakes coming into the second hairpin. With almost any easy, flat (not embanked) corner with a slight variation in altitude (almost every corner at Grand Valley except hairpins) the side tires start going red and then start smoking unless I back off. Sometimes it the inside tires, sometimes the outside. Sometimes more in the front or back dependent on braking or accelerating. Either way, no car should lose this much traction on soft slicks at the speeds I'm going. I'm trying to hang onto the car much more than I'm trying to set a record or anything.
Braking and turning immediately causes the front tires to lock up. (not in a perfectly straight line though) ABS is either not doing it's job or somethings wrong with the car. The only way I can get these results with another type of car (Super GT for example, and a maxed out Esprit for another) is to enter a corner way too fast, stomp the brakes to the floor, and turn as hard as possible. Only then does another car starts losing traction and sliding out of control in such a fashion.
Oversteer during acceleration is something I love.
But in this case, it's sporadic and feels unnatural; often causing an instant 180 where any other car would only get a little sideways and let me straighten it up.
Turning in general is awful. Braking or accelerating; it feels like the car is going sideways at all times. Not bringing the rear end around, but "crabbing" or handling as if it's an all-wheel-steer lawnmower. (driven one of those, yes, that's what I mean.) As if when I turn right, the rear tires turn left slightly and the car pivots at the center rather than on the rear tires. Oversteer is only a multiplication of this effect. Rather than the rear sliding sideways, it feels like it's twisting the whole car. Braking too. The car wobbles when cornering all the time. It feels too touchy at first, then once it evens out, it doesn't turn anywhere near as sharp as it did at first. It'll lurch suddenly (DS3 somewhat to blame) and wobble back and forth through the corner. As it does so, it phases in an out of breaking the front and rear tires lose. It's as if the whole thing is made of jello.
That's about it I think. As I said, the A.I. hates me. I leave them in the dust on any track except Daytona, but they constantly ram me and cause me to spin out. Never really had this problem with most other races. The first corner of High Speed Ring is where I'll pass them all because they go so much slower than I do. Then I can pull away slightly through the rest of the course. Problem is, they all smash the brakes near the end of that corner and engulf me in a huge cloud of smoke that only they can see through. Then, in an attempt to avoid colliding with each other from sudden braking; they all spread out and cover the entire track. Now, my best chance to pass them becomes a gauntlet of swerving cars. Ultimately, they all hold their ground and end up smashing me off the track into a horrific crash. Not once, but twice, this happened. I had to make up about 10 seconds only for them to do it again as I attempt to pass.
So, do I suck? What's wrong with my set-ups? And am I the victim of an artificial conspiracy?
Please help me drive this twitching sled of jello.
Also, is there any difference at all between the 2010 NASCARs and the new 2011 ones added in Spec 2?
Thanks in advance.
I'm going to be rather specific so this likely won't already have been covered and I just couldn't find it.
Anyway, first question. To be answered after reading the whole post.
Am I simply not cut out for NASCAR/ do I just suck?
I've beaten the NASCAR special challenges, hated them, beat nearly everything else in the game. Just to say that I'm not that terrible. lol
Is my set up just bad?
I know it can be improved, but for these cars, the usual things seem to not have the effect they usually do. I'll post what I can remember of it and how I drive.
Is the NASCAR A.I. just a bunch of complete *** holes?
I'm fairly certain they're prejudiced against me. Does anyone else notice this?
Now to explain my story to better help you answer my questions.
That NASCAR at Nurburgring Seasonal a while ago, I couldn't even catch the last car. Within 30 seconds, I couldn't even see the pack and the gap just widened until it was about 45 seconds by the end of the first lap. Gave it my all, tried a dozen set ups, retried the event about 30 times before giving up in frustration.
Now, I've tried the NASCAR championship, ended up in second due to an unforeseen dead-last at High Speed Ring. (Got wrecked twice and couldn't catch up fast enough) and a 10th place at Daytona. (saw this coming) With a simple retry, I'm certain I'll be able to get gold, but I'm more trying to improve how I handle these cars than just win.
I have to set ups, on for oval/super fast tracks, and one for technical courses.
The one for Ovals:
Downforce: 35 front, 40 rear. (c'mon who needs downforce on an oval?)
Transmission, I can't remember mostly. The important parts are 3rd and 4th gear. 3rd takes me to 209 so I don't lose as much speed in corners. 4th will go up past 240 or something so I can use the huge slipstream boost to catch up on straights.
Suspension.
Every thing left default except Camber and toe. Toe in the rear is set to 0.0 instead of +.20. Camber front/rear is 6.0 5.4 respectively.
Diff slip is 40 initial 40 accel 20 decel.
Running on Racing softs with ABS at 1 and no other assists. Using a DS3.
The problems I'm having with it:
Indy is a cakewalk, the A.I. are too slow through the corners and I cruise on past them. Daytona ruins me every time. When I hit a corner, I take the middle or inner line and just lose speed from 214-228+ until I'm at about 190 upon exit. The A.I. catches up and goes blazing past mid/end corner. (or slams me or pits me)
What am I doing wrong? I can catch them and accelerate faster than them on the straights, but the big corners cause me slow down so much that most of them pass me. I mean, they must be going 210 - 220 and just hold it; exiting at around 200 or more every time. (varies +/- if in slipstream/not)
So I've not been able to get any better than 7th on this race. Due to slowing down, I either get passed or they just slam me at +20MPH of my speed, or impose themselves on my driving line and I'm spun out. I've tried to simply ride at the back of the pack and use slipstream to pass at the last moment, but they either just pull away from me, or a couple cars hang back and the rest of the pack pulls away.
Now for the problems I'm having with technical courses; Grand Valley Speedway and Laguna Seca:
My tune:
Downforce max on front/rear.
Transission set to a max of 210MPH. No special adjustments other than 1st being bumped to a higher speed a little bit. (to reduce the chance of wheelspin exiting slow corners.)
Suspension: Ride height dropped as low as possible. Rear toe set to 0.0 Front toe set to -.10
Front/rear camber set to 2.0/1.5 respectively.
Everything else default.
Diff-slip is 40 initial, 40 accel, 15 decel.
Running on Racing softs, no assists except ABS 1.
The problems I'm having. Nothing that stops me from winning, but it's problematic. The tires are constantly losing traction when accelerating, braking and cornering. Going into the red and/or creating clouds of smoke. Accelerating I understand, but braking and cornering? I've driven every other class of car and none of them do this, or at least, not to this extreme.
For example, coming up and over the slightly winding hill after the first hairpin at Grand Valley. Tires lose traction through the easy corners at the top of the hill, car wobbles severely. Then the front tires lock up as I apply the brakes coming into the second hairpin. With almost any easy, flat (not embanked) corner with a slight variation in altitude (almost every corner at Grand Valley except hairpins) the side tires start going red and then start smoking unless I back off. Sometimes it the inside tires, sometimes the outside. Sometimes more in the front or back dependent on braking or accelerating. Either way, no car should lose this much traction on soft slicks at the speeds I'm going. I'm trying to hang onto the car much more than I'm trying to set a record or anything.
Braking and turning immediately causes the front tires to lock up. (not in a perfectly straight line though) ABS is either not doing it's job or somethings wrong with the car. The only way I can get these results with another type of car (Super GT for example, and a maxed out Esprit for another) is to enter a corner way too fast, stomp the brakes to the floor, and turn as hard as possible. Only then does another car starts losing traction and sliding out of control in such a fashion.
Oversteer during acceleration is something I love.
But in this case, it's sporadic and feels unnatural; often causing an instant 180 where any other car would only get a little sideways and let me straighten it up. Turning in general is awful. Braking or accelerating; it feels like the car is going sideways at all times. Not bringing the rear end around, but "crabbing" or handling as if it's an all-wheel-steer lawnmower. (driven one of those, yes, that's what I mean.) As if when I turn right, the rear tires turn left slightly and the car pivots at the center rather than on the rear tires. Oversteer is only a multiplication of this effect. Rather than the rear sliding sideways, it feels like it's twisting the whole car. Braking too. The car wobbles when cornering all the time. It feels too touchy at first, then once it evens out, it doesn't turn anywhere near as sharp as it did at first. It'll lurch suddenly (DS3 somewhat to blame) and wobble back and forth through the corner. As it does so, it phases in an out of breaking the front and rear tires lose. It's as if the whole thing is made of jello.
That's about it I think. As I said, the A.I. hates me. I leave them in the dust on any track except Daytona, but they constantly ram me and cause me to spin out. Never really had this problem with most other races. The first corner of High Speed Ring is where I'll pass them all because they go so much slower than I do. Then I can pull away slightly through the rest of the course. Problem is, they all smash the brakes near the end of that corner and engulf me in a huge cloud of smoke that only they can see through. Then, in an attempt to avoid colliding with each other from sudden braking; they all spread out and cover the entire track. Now, my best chance to pass them becomes a gauntlet of swerving cars. Ultimately, they all hold their ground and end up smashing me off the track into a horrific crash. Not once, but twice, this happened. I had to make up about 10 seconds only for them to do it again as I attempt to pass.
So, do I suck? What's wrong with my set-ups? And am I the victim of an artificial conspiracy?
Please help me drive this twitching sled of jello.
Also, is there any difference at all between the 2010 NASCARs and the new 2011 ones added in Spec 2?
Thanks in advance.
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