Is online racing dead to you because of Hybriding?

Is online racing dead to you now because of hybriding?

  • Yes - dead to me - rage quitting GT5 right now

    Votes: 1 2.4%

  • Will only race in my lounge with friends

    Votes: 4 9.5%

  • Will only do seasonals, A-Spec and B-Spec

    Votes: 4 9.5%

  • Hybriding is not that big of a deal - just kick cheaters

    Votes: 27 64.3%

  • Not dead - I like racing 3,000 hp Civics

    Votes: 6 14.3%
  • Total voters
    42
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Motor City Hami

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MotorCtyHamilton
Just curious about everyone's thoughts. I think it is fun for a while to experience a new glitch, but hybriding may kill the ability to join an online room and be competitive with honest PD programmed cars.

Mods: Sorry if I put this in the wrong place. It is a GT5 question, but also about online racing and hybriding. Thought it fit best here?
 
Not a big deal. Cheaters and trolls should be kicked at the host's earliest convenience, or at the very least simply ignored. Yes they might win most of the credits before getting kicked but still that's not a big deal. They want reactions to their antics -- do NOT give it to them... this can be fun in itself as well as an exercise in patience and discipline.
 
I have no idea what this glitch is about. Sounds like a way of cheating, and that definitely is not ok. But regarding the "death" of online racing, that is maybe an overreaction. You can join lots of rooms with serious gamers, or just start kicking those who cheat!
 
Not really cause they only use those cars for drag racing really. And also I only go to rooms where the cars are restricted anyway so it's not that big of a deal.
 
I think it depends on the abilities of these hybrids.
Can they break PP or hp/weight limits?
Can they only swap certain engines, or can they tune a car with a small enough advantage that people won't catch it?
 
Now that you mention this, I got an email on PSN account when I logged in about a month ago. Someone was trying to get $$$ for telling me how I can make a 500pp car 550pp or 600pp etc. in a 500pp room and so on. I never answered and just flogged it off as "yea right". Well, maybe there was some truth to it.
 
What I have read indicates that they may have cracked into the power limiter and added a multiplier. Right now hackers are just building really high hp cars for show. I was surprised to see people in my friends list with these cars on share, so they are easy to get. I have heard that the borrow glitch works on these cars too, so only a matter of time before everyone can own one. Way more accessable than previous hybriding and no need to jail break your PS3. That's the scarry difference.

So, someone could program a 500PP car to look like it has 500PP, but it really has 550PP. If someone was just barely beating a room, how would you know if they are just one of the elite drivers or if they were "just barely" cheating?
 
I would never enter an Open Lobby that didn't have a PP limit or some other description that indicated a certain class of cars were allowed and nothing else. I've never entered a free run lobby and never would. So these hybrid cars would have no effect on me. I avoid Open Lobbies for the most part because the majority of them have no definable racing intent that appeals to me. I don't want to run 400 hp cars on tires that stick like glue around the same track(s) over and over which eliminates most Open Lobbies from the get go...lol..:sly:

I can see however, if these hybrid cars are somehow able to avoid the usual checks and balances that apply to PP or HP limited rooms, the Open Lobby system as we know it is done and so is impromptu, online racing.
 
I'd vote only I have not played GT5 in months.

But I have to wonder if people are making a big deal out of nothing. If these cars do not circumvent PP, HP, or weight I don't see the big deal. If they don't, they're probably going to be terrible cars everywhere except SSRX. The only concern I'd have, if they can't get around room restrictions, is if the PP equation starts to go crazy when applied to unusual cars, and there is a strong possibility of that.

However, should they be able to get around room rules, there is a simple solution, kick them and get on with the race.

From what I've gathered so far though, it seems like people are getting riled up over this as they do when discussions on engines swaps come up. "People will put X1 engines in Civics!" and then end up with a car that accelerates slower, corners worse, and can't stop.

Motor City Hami
So, someone could program a 500PP car to look like it has 500PP, but it really has 550PP. If someone was just barely beating a room, how would you know if they are just one of the elite drivers or if they were "just barely" cheating?
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This was an issue in the DCS simulator because like most PC games, it was mod friendly. The devs solved it by creating an integrity check. As host you set what game files could be modified. If a player tries to join your lobby with illegal modifications, that player won't be able to enter the room.
 
Exorcet
However, should they be able to get around room rules, there is a simple solution, kick them and get on with the race.
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Is it that simple? You know how trolls can be. Suppose a lot of people get a hold of these hybrids and get around room rules. They enter lobbies, wait till the last second, then pick their hybrid car so they can't be booted. They then play havoc with the race. If the host quits to boot them he can't race. If it's an ongoing issue, the host will miss a lot of races and will quit most likely. If he let's them finish a race, ruining everyone else's race in the process, the good clean drivers will quit if this is an ongoing issue.

Either way it sucks for someone, either the host and or some or all of the participants.
 
Motor City Hami
What I have read indicates that they may have cracked into the power limiter and added a multiplier.
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Perhaps a bad word choice, but by my assumption of the word multiplier, it would mean they can simply go 'beyond' the 100% cap that we have.
Meaning they can put their power limiter at 200%, for double power.
As long as that's still calculated into PP, then I don't care. If it isn't calculated into PP, then there's a huge issue.

If you want to run a 3000hp civic on route x, go have fun, won't effect me in the least.

But if people start hopping in NASCAR rooms, with 10-15 extra HP, no one will notice it on track, in a pack, but they'll have that edge that allows them to win.
Same goes for any room really. That is when it's going to destroy the game. If I see or hear of anyone doing this, I'll be reporting them and their account immediately, friends list or not.
 
Adrenaline
Perhaps a bad word choice, but by my assumption of the word multiplier, it would mean they can simply go 'beyond' the 100% cap that we have.
Meaning they can put their power limiter at 200%, for double power.
As long as that's still calculated into PP, then I don't care. If it isn't calculated into PP, then there's a huge issue.
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Think it is more like 100% no longer means 100%; more like 100% now means 1,000%. The Civic that I borrowed last night still showed 50% to 100% and the power went up and down with the scale, but the HP related to that was 100 times the normal Civic.

Now that I look at the YouTube videos, the PP level also rises. So more power is available, but they have not been able to get around the PP system yet. I am concerned that if they could figure out how to crack the power limiter, it's only a matter of time before they figure out how to change PP values in the programming. I could see having a NASCAR with 25hp more than everyone else and no way for the room host to know it.
 
Maybe you and I can get into a room later Hami, use your hacked car, and let me set some different restrictions and see what does or doesn't boot you from the track.
 
Johnnypenso
Is it that simple? You know how trolls can be. Suppose a lot of people get a hold of these hybrids and get around room rules. They enter lobbies, wait till the last second, then pick their hybrid car so they can't be booted. They then play havoc with the race. If the host quits to boot them he can't race. If it's an ongoing issue, the host will miss a lot of races and will quit most likely. If he let's them finish a race, ruining everyone else's race in the process, the good clean drivers will quit if this is an ongoing issue.

Either way it sucks for someone, either the host and or some or all of the participants.
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Well I've personally had no problems quitting mid race to kick people. But I guess others might not. I don't think your room will see a constant influx of modded cars unless a group of cheaters target your room for one reason or another, but I guess that would depend on how many people are doing this and intend to ruin rooms.
 
Situation A - You're the one hosting a lobby and a Hybrid joins in - You kick them.

Situation B - You join a lobby then a Hybrid joins in - You ask the host to kick, or you leave.

I fail to see why people using Hybrids would cause you to "rage quit" a game. And if it's seasonals you're worried about then I think it'll be pretty obvious, if a Civic leads a 700pp Leaderboard, that cheating is involved.

Move on people.
 
Adrenaline
Maybe you and I can get into a room later Hami, use your hacked car, and let me set some different restrictions and see what does or doesn't boot you from the track.
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I don't have one. I just started down my friends list to see who was online and found one. Can't remember who had it but will check. You may be friends with them too from the FITT challenges?
 
Guardian
Situation A - You're the one hosting a lobby and a Hybrid joins in - You kick them.

Situation B - You join a lobby then a Hybrid joins in - You ask the host to kick, or you leave.

I fail to see why people using Hybrids would cause you to "rage quit" a game. And if it's seasonals you're worried about then I think it'll be pretty obvious, if a Civic leads a 700pp Leaderboard, that cheating is involved.

Move on people.
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Situation C - Somebody has a 800bhp 450pp NSX and wins races by going just a little faster than everyone else..

Situation D - Lots of people do the same as in situation C and racing online is unfair.
 
Guardian
Situation A - You're the one hosting a lobby and a Hybrid joins in - You kick them.

Situation B - You join a lobby then a Hybrid joins in - You ask the host to kick, or you leave.

I fail to see why people using Hybrids would cause you to "rage quit" a game. And if it's seasonals you're worried about then I think it'll be pretty obvious, if a Civic leads a 700pp Leaderboard, that cheating is involved.

Move on people.
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Right. So if I could bring in a car that you can't detect, what then? A Civic that shows 400PP, but really is a 450PP car underneath, you can't tell, then what???
 
SpeedyishOlly
Situation C - Somebody has a 800bhp 450pp NSX and wins races by going just a little faster than everyone else..

Situation D - Lots of people do the same as in situation C and racing online is unfair.
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If you're hosting, and you suspect foul play, what stops you watching the race? You'll be able to see if the person in his Hybrid is purposefully winning the races by a small margin.

Motor City Hami
Right. So if I could bring in a car that you can't detect, what then? A Civic that shows 400PP, but really is a 450PP car underneath, you can't tell, then what???
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See above.

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If someone starts winning races in a car that I'm quite sceptical about then I'll kick them. If they decide to come 2nd all the time to avoid getting caught, then that defeats the purpose of having a hybrid.

These sorry cheaters will get their comeuppance. Stop worrying over nothing.
 
Guardian
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If someone starts winning races in a car that I'm quite sceptical about then I'll kick them. If they decide to come 2nd all the time to avoid getting caught, then that defeats the purpose of having a hybrid.

These sorry cheaters will get their comeuppance. Stop worrying over nothing.
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I'm sure they won't spread that much anyway, I was just saying.
 
Since all the online racing I ever do now is Shuffle Racing, this won't affect me so I'm all good.
 
Might have more ramifications for the upper tier drivers. If I enter a room in a legal car (genuinely legal) and beat a field of average drivers by too much, I'd hate to get kicked. At the same time, we're over 2 years into the game, I don't spend a whole lot of time in random lobbies anyways.

Motor City Hami
I don't have one. I just started down my friends list to see who was online and found one. Can't remember who had it but will check. You may be friends with them too from the FITT challenges?
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I won't be driving any car that has been compromised, on the off chance Sony/PD starts locking/banning accounts/IP's. Which I hope they do.
 
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Guardian
Situation A - You're the one hosting a lobby and a Hybrid joins in - You kick them.

Situation B - You join a lobby then a Hybrid joins in - You ask the host to kick, or you leave.

I fail to see why people using Hybrids would cause you to "rage quit" a game. And if it's seasonals you're worried about then I think it'll be pretty obvious, if a Civic leads a 700pp Leaderboard, that cheating is involved.

Move on people.
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Adrenaline
Might have more ramifications for the upper tier drivers. If I enter a room in a legal car (genuinely legal) and beat a field of average drivers by too much, I'd hate to get kicked. At the same time, we're over 2 years into the game, I don't spend a whole lot of time in random lobbies anyways.
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Adrenaline has one reason and that's a big one to add into the mix. If it becomes commonplace for hybrid cars to fudge just a little and stay in a room, who's to say me winning by 5 seconds is legal or cheating? How many guys will get booted by being legal?

Open Lobbies are bad enough as it is. Add in this kind of bs and it will kill the Open Lobby system for anyone other than the trolls. Worse, what if the hack is ignored by PD and finds it's way into GT6 somehow...that wouldn't be good...not at all..:scared:
 
SpeedyishOlly
Situation C - Somebody has a 800bhp 450pp NSX and wins races by going just a little faster than everyone else..

Situation D - Lots of people do the same as in situation C and racing online is unfair.
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Dude 39 posts in 1 day,take a break.👍
 
The only way to actually stop the crazy HP cars, is to create an HP limit. The hybrid X1 has a negative PP so it can negate all PP limits.
 
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