TCS & ASM

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I was wondering, TCS & ASM are supposed to be driver aids. So why does every one drive faster without them? I understand that too higher setting on TCS will prevent full power from getting to the wheels but turning it off should surely be a hinderance as well. F1 drivers use TCS to help them go faster. And ASM is supposed to help you go round corners better but actually makes the handling worse. Is this a bug, or perhaps PD could not represent the physics of these aids properly. :confused:

Any enlightenment would be appreciated.
 
From next season. But they still use it this season - and a traction control glitch was blamed for Schumacher's spin on Sunday.

Launch control HAS been banned, as of Silverstone this year.
 
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I was wondering, TCS & ASM are supposed to be driver aids. So why does every one drive faster without them? I understand that too higher setting on TCS will prevent full power from getting to the wheels but turning it off should surely be a hinderance as well. F1 drivers use TCS to help them go faster. And ASM is supposed to help you go round corners better but actually makes the handling worse. Is this a bug, or perhaps PD could not represent the physics of these aids properly. :confused:

Any enlightenment would be appreciated.
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TCS and ASM are designed to help a driver retain control of a car when it would normally spin/skid/slide etc.

They physically intervene to correct an unwanted situation. The problem is that they will slow down a car, not speed it up.

Most TCS and ASM use braking to control woopsies.
TCS often applies brakes AND retards engine power to bring wheelspin under control.
ASM applies the brakes on particular wheels to bring a car under control.
So if you're trying to turn a tight corner and you are scrubbing the car (on the limits of grip), which will either cause understeer or oversteer (naturally), then the ASM will slow the car down by braking the wheels that will oppose whatever xxxxsteer is going to happen.

The only driver that will go faster with them is one who can't handle the car properly without them. Otherwise, good drivers will go faster without them intervening and leeching off speed.

Hope that helps.
 
All -in real life- offered "driving aids" are there to make driving safer, not faster....

luckily there are car makers that let the driver choose to put them on or off! :)
 
To bad in GT3 TCS and ASM come default for all cars. personally i don't like it. They should have just left some car as they are, for example the AE86. Its not supposed to ASM OR TCS. Grr they better fix this with GT4
 
How much does a real TCS system cost on a real car? And how easily are they found? I'd love to have a TCS system on my car. Though its just a 2000 Suzuki Esteem GLX 1.8. It'd be real nice when I want to take off and its wet. That car is a damn FF.
 
Famine
From next season. But they still use it this season - and a traction control glitch was blamed for Schumacher's spin on Sunday.

Launch control HAS been banned, as of Silverstone this year.
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Suuuure... it was all the car. :)

As for the first question. The TCS and ASM reduce your power to prevent any wheel slip. If they are turned off you can correct your traction loss yourself and have more power going to the wheels when you regain your grip.

Say you go into a corner at 8000 rpm. With TCS it might reduce you to 7000 to maintain grip then you accelerate and leave the corner at 7500. Without, if you lose grip at 8000 and rev up to 8500 by the exit even though you lost time while sliding you are going faster on the next strait. A poor example but maybe you get the idea... maybe someone smarter than me can explain this better or tell me that im full of it.
 
Vietorious
In real life does all economy car has ASM or TSC?
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Economy cars don't have TCS nor ASM in real life.. at least none that I know of.
at the most, only ABS and/or 1 way LSD -usually reserved for top of the line model.
 
Polarbear
The 2003 Hyndai Sonata has TCS actually. Probably the only car I know that has TCS.
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is the Sonata an economy car /econobox? Maybe according to the price... but looking at its' specs and ammenities, it's not an economy car IMO. It's actually more of an accord-mazda 6-galant-altima class.

Mazda 6 also got TCS though only in AT V6 I believe..
 
The Ford Fiesta Zetec-S (108hp, 960kg, FWD, 0-62mph 10.2s) came with Traction Control as standard, and most cars in the UK market, apart from the really, really cheap Korean/Malaysian imports, come with ABS across a significant portion of the model range.
 
An Interesting point that I've always come up with, is that ASM and TCS kick in at a set limit. That limit is when you've over driven the vehicle through some way. So doesn't it stand to reason that if you drive the vehicle up to the opint just before ASM and/or TCS kick in, it would give you the best possible circumstances to learn how to drive.

I know it's a stretch, and I don't think I've used ASM in nearly two years, but I do think that TCS has a valid point.

For Instance, if you can run TT10 without ASM or TCS coming on, and you've pushed the car to it's limit, You'll set a near record pace around the String.

I've yet to apply this theory, but it does sound solid. Then again, frogs without legs can't hear.

AO
 
I usualy use TCS, but on a very low setting. But I rarely, if ever, use TCM as I find it can add up to a second on my time.
Why does the the Ford Fiesta Zetec-S need traction control? Probably just another sales gimmick from Ford.
 
ASM has put me into a wall where otherwise I would be fine far too many times. TCS has saved me from a wall I would otherwise have hit many times.
 
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To bad in GT3 TCS and ASM come default for all cars. personally i don't like it. They should have just left some car as they are, for example the AE86. Its not supposed to ASM OR TCS. Grr they better fix this with GT4
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Just turn it off... Are you that lazy?... You can turn off ASM and TCS for every car in the game, so...


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Asura
probably so. unless if it's a really bad chassis from the get go.
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Very, very much not. I've driven one and it's quite spectacular, for what it is. Ford thought it was good enough to base 4 cars on (Mk3/Mk4 Fiesta, Ford Ka, Ford Puma).

I only activated the TCS once - when the inside left wheel was unloaded and on top of a patch of wet gravel. I guess Ford didn't want chav kids wheel-spinning it eveywhere and bringing the XR2/XR2i/RS Turbo image back to the Fiesta. Which it wouldn't have done, because it's not fast enough. Still, it's a lovely drive - try it.
 
Famine
Very, very much not. I've driven one and it's quite spectacular, for what it is. Ford thought it was good enough to base 4 cars on (Mk3/Mk4 Fiesta, Ford Ka, Ford Puma).

I only activated the TCS once - when the inside left wheel was unloaded and on top of a patch of wet gravel. I guess Ford didn't want chav kids wheel-spinning it eveywhere and bringing the XR2/XR2i/RS Turbo image back to the Fiesta. Which it wouldn't have done, because it's not fast enough. Still, it's a lovely drive - try it.
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I'd have, but unfortunately it's not available where I live.
 
I will agree with the consensus of the Board. ASM is a hinderance while the TCS is usefull.

I drive with ASM off and TCS at 1(depending on the car). The advantage to this style of setting is that you are able to retain a certain degree of slide factor, increasing the angle of trajectory(sp) of the chassis. Both rob power but the slight use of TCS can stop major wheel spin when exiting a corner but still allow you to pivoit the chassis if needed to correct for front tire push by reducing rear bite(ie induce balance thru spin).

As somebody stated earlier tire spin off a corner will reduce your initail acceleration but increase your MPH at the end of the straight, almost an equal tradeoff(good for setting up a pass under breaking at the end of that straight) but tire life and brakes will suffer as a result.
 
IRL, traction control is offered on almost every luxury style car. BMW, Lexus, Infinty...... And of course the nicer sports cars. Vette, Viper, Porsche, Lambo.....

ASM is for people without the skill to properly control the car(as previously stated).

Traction control IRL can be very helpful in bad weather. Personally I would make sure I had it in a car that I plan to transport my future children. It can help with rain an all that fun stuff.

So......as far as GT goes. in GT3, they're both pretty useless, except for the Excudo! I'm assuming in GT4 it'll be the same, but I guess we'll see.
 
I don't have a problem with ASM and TCS being available for every car in the game, you can always choose to turn them off. A game should be challenging, but not impossibly hard or people get discouraged.

Personally I never use ASM, and rarely use TCS. My Speed12 has the TCS set to 2, the few others I use it on have it set to 1.

Chris
 
well it does help in some cases to have TCS and ASM come default....but i would rather have it as a mod u can but for your car...that way its more realistic
 
It would be best if the case was:

Buy a car that has TCS/ASM in real life and it will have it stock.

Buy a car that doesn't have TCS/ASM in real life, and you have to buy it as a mod.

Quite simple really :dunce: ;)
 

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