FR - Can you have corner speed and angle??

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I was doing some drifting and ive found that compared to gt3, I am unable to keep the corner speed high enough to make it round long corners, i was using the Truneo S.S fully moded on N3 tires, drifting in 3rd. It seems as soon as my angle gets really nice the car just looses speed and im unable to get round the corner. In gt3 this wasnt a problem at all.

Is the car too underpowered?

BTW this is the kinda angle im talkin about when the car looses speed.

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Id also like some feedback on these drifts/pics, what do you think of my skills? i also drove away from these drifts without spinning, hitting walls or going off the track.
 
Small_Fryz
I was doing some drifting and ive found that compared to gt3, I am unable to keep the corner speed high enough to make it round long corners, i was using the Truneo S.S fully moded on N3 tires, drifting in 3rd. It seems as soon as my angle gets really nice the car just looses speed and im unable to get round the corner. In gt3 this wasnt a problem at all.

Is the car too underpowered?

BTW this is the kinda angle im talkin about when the car looses speed.

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Id also like some feedback on these drifts/pics, what do you think of my skills? i also drove away from these drifts without spinning, hitting walls or going off the track.
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simply put: nope

this would seemingly be a more realistic tire loading model than the one used by the gt3 physics enginer.

the dynamic friction acting on the car is simply too large for you to maintain speed.
A smaller angle will allow that car to roll around a greater proportion of the corner. The rolling resistance of a tire is considerably less than the dynamic friction it will be forced to overcome by sliding sideways across the surface.

At an angle like the one you have shown - practically perpendicular to the apex, nearly all of the accelerative force generated is pushing the car towards the apex, and not past it.
Either enter with a lot of more speed (which, often times is not possible), or reduce the angle to keep more of it.

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note - more power could help, since you might generate a greater accelerative force. Then the amount that is propelling you around the corner would be increased proportionally. The amount of wheelspin you have could limit the effectiveness of this, however
 
i think you are right but there seems to be more to it. im not completely convinced its just the physics being more realistic, it seems that no matter what angle you are at if you rev too high and the wheels spin too fast you lose all your momentum. i suppose it is more realistic than gt3 however i have been in 70 mph drifts and keeping a steady angle when i rev too hard i lose all momentum. another way to test this is to burn out and floor it, then shift into higher gears and turn your steering wheel: the car wont turn then let the back end hang out, it will just turn around as if you werent peeling out at all.
 
make sure all the tcs/asm stuff is on 0. make sure ur revs dont drop out of the powerband. adjust the angle of ur drift and ur steering work. maybe try adjusting suspension/tires? thats all i can think of. i hope i was helpful.
 
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i think you are right but there seems to be more to it. im not completely convinced its just the physics being more realistic, it seems that no matter what angle you are at if you rev too high and the wheels spin too fast you lose all your momentum. i suppose it is more realistic than gt3 however i have been in 70 mph drifts and keeping a steady angle when i rev too hard i lose all momentum. another way to test this is to burn out and floor it, then shift into higher gears and turn your steering wheel: the car wont turn then let the back end hang out, it will just turn around as if you werent peeling out at all.
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yes, I'll agree with that. But that's not really a variable that can be adjusted, that's just something that we all have to work around.
 
Sorry, I can't help you with that but i have to say...Nice pics man!!! 👍 Loved it!!! One is my wa1llpaper right now!
Drift on 👍 👍
 
Thanks for feedback guys 👍
and thanks to dkstz for the feedback on my pics 👍.

Well i think that the car has such a narrow powerband and it just doesnt have enough hp to pull such sideways drifts for too long. Like tankspanker said its just not getting enough sideways velocity, it just wants to drive into the rumble strip, not around the corner.

I did start experimenting with the Falken RX-7, i wacked on N3's, brake balance and weight reduction stage 2 and modified a few settings and it drifts soo nicely. I was drifting tskubars last corner without too much difficulty and i was able to sustain high angle drifts for much longer than the AE86 S.S.

Bottom line.. how long you can sustain high angle drifts mainly depends on HP.
 
how much HP did you have on your trueno. I have around 280 on an R31 Skyline GTS-R and i can pull off the Tsukuba final corner quite cleanly, but have trouble with tight turns with the same car (havent practiced with it in a while. Im trying to stay consistent and practice with the same car every day).

I would say high angle drifts also depend on your tire choice and throttle modulation, in addition to the horsepower. plus all the other factors like the weight of the car, the balance, etc....

Based on that I think its safe to say that some cars will NEVER be able to drift as well as others.
 
my trueno had max power, (315hp i think).

Yeah your totally right, i just dont like the power band of the AE86 S.S

Im gonna keep practising with my Falken RX-7, hopefully i may one day be able to make a vid of some sort :)
 
I am finding that some of these physics are very unrealistic. I can not get over the fact not a single car can do a Donut... I might just be a corny person but I like to get in the car and beat them with in a inch of their lives. I would like some one to floor a 400hp car and turn the wheel and not spin around, yet in this game I can drive in circles in 6th gear burning out.. Oh well I am a nit picker.

As far as the drifting I am happy with the corner speeds and the way the car must exit to not get snap back and be able to smoothly flow out.

I just want to do a DONUT
 
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I am finding that some of these physics are very unrealistic. I can not get over the fact not a single car can do a Donut... I might just be a corny person but I like to get in the car and beat them with in a inch of their lives. I would like some one to floor a 400hp car and turn the wheel and not spin around, yet in this game I can drive in circles in 6th gear burning out.. Oh well I am a nit picker.

As far as the drifting I am happy with the corner speeds and the way the car must exit to not get snap back and be able to smoothly flow out.

I just want to do a DONUT
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I still don't know what the big deal is with donuts. I just don't get it. I'll never do them in my car(when I get a FR/AWD). But there are a lot of people on this forum that are rather upset about it.

Someone explained to me before that it's strange that you can drift but can't do donuts. I guess that's true, but since I have no desire to spin around in a circle that thought never crossed my mind. :indiff:
 
Donut is usually a misnombre for "drifting in a circle". It's a basic drifting technique that teaches control. At any point during any corner you are simply sliding through part of a circle. So, being able to control your angle and the size of the circle is basically just practice for drifting on real corners.
 
There really is no need to do a donut I guess, however; I have ripped a few donuts in my car, but again it really is pointless but extremely fun. I havn't a clue where you live but up in New England the snow offers some fun times if you don't feel like breaking anything trying and tire wear is minimal in the snow... Just something to do on the way home from work/school/or whatever...
 
About the donut issue:

Watch the Drift Bible. One of the first exersizes is maintaining a controlled drift in a perfect circle. I used to do donuts in GT3 to first test out my cars, too. You can really get a feeling for the throttle control neccessary for drifting the car.

Small_Fryz: The reason you're losing so much speed is because you're 4-wheel drifting that corner. You don't need a 4WD car to 4WDrift :sly:

If you see smoke coming off your front tires, you're 4-wheel drifting. When the front tires are sliding, they are not only creating understeer, but also slowing you down. In a regular FR drift the front tires are still stearing the car and the rear wheels are spinning because of the throttle (unless you're using braking drift), but as long as your front tires are maintaining traction, you should not be losing any speed during your drifts, only maintaining or increasing your speed. My suggestion to you is try some smaller angle drifts, you'll lose less speed but it won't look as impressive. Sometimes this 4WDrifting in an FR car can help you around a hairpin because of the front tires slowing you down by sliding, but for the majority of corners you really want a small angle drift if you're going for high speed.
 
burnout060
Small_Fryz: The reason you're losing so much speed is because you're 4-wheel drifting that corner. You don't need a 4WD car to 4WDrift :sly:
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too funny! I love that sly guy...

But yeh the car is not facing the exit at all it is at a right angle with the corner
 
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There really is no need to do a donut I guess, however; I have ripped a few donuts in my car, but again it really is pointless but extremely fun. I havn't a clue where you live but up in New England the snow offers some fun times if you don't feel like breaking anything trying and tire wear is minimal in the snow... Just something to do on the way home from work/school/or whatever...
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Snow drifting is the shizznittlebamsnipsnapslam! Especially in my old 1987 Jeep Cherokee Laredo (5 speed manual, RWD and 4WD, depending on what I felt like :sly: )

Where in New England do you live? I'm really only familiar with CT drivers.
 

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