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GTPlanet, I'm already kind of known for my college football reports each week. I'm not just trying to come up with anything and everything. But I wanted to create this thread to talk about motorsports competition among colleges and universities. Any form of motorsports from Baja racing to maybe some home-made race cars is perfectly fine here. This can be ANY collegiate effort in the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, any form of college students getting involved in motorsports, this thread is open for discussion.

To start, I'll start with something called Formula SAE.

Okay, so it's not exactly a chance to see Michigan vs. Ohio State at Mid-Ohio or Lime Rock Park. So what is Formula SAE? It is an oppurtunity to see future race car designers and engineers compete in some one-off racing events including endurances. The most recent Road & Track magazine featured five universities which competed in some sweet competition. Those universities include:

University of Michigan {Ann Arbor, MI, USA}
University of Texas-Arlington {Arlington, TX, USA}
University of Wisconsin {Madison, WI, USA}
Cornell University {Ithaca, NY, USA}
Texas A&M University {Corpus Christi, TX, USA}

During this competition, Texas A&M won top honors. If I find pictures, I'll show you some of the cars designed by these five universities. What I will tell you is that Texas A&M's car looks pretty bad. This "Aggie-mobile" has a pretty blunt front of it. Fellow Texans, the University of Texas-Arlington, created a car that's damn near like a Star Mazda race car or something that you could race in the SCCA. I believe the UTA Mavericks developed a car using carbon fiber underbody. The Wisconsin Badgers developed a car with the Penske colors. You know, the white car with red accents like the Marlboro colors on cars. Michigan was big blue with maize accents, just like the Wolverines on the gridiron. The Big Red of Cornell had their own red car. But the most stylish was the Texas-Arlington ride.

In the future, I'll have pictures and maybe a website or two. Carry on, please.

(UPDATE!) SAE competion among colleges:
http://students.sae.org/competitions/ (SAE Racing series)
http://students.sae.org/competitions/formulaseries/ (Formula SAE Home)
http://students.sae.org/competitions/formulaseries/fsae/teamsites/ (The Teams)
http://fsae.uta.edu/ (The University of Texas-Arlington team mentioned earlier)
 
Hmm, interesting. I didn’t know such competitions existed for college students. Interesting concept though. 👍

Blake
 
I have a few friends who were part of the Formula SAE team here at the University of Washington. I think they did pretty well this year, and the car looked awesome. It's something that I would be involved in if I were in mechanical engineering. It's a lot of work, but a great experience.
 
It sounds like a great idea.This could grow if they offered a scholorship.And just think about the advantages the racing series could get with the students when they enter the real world. :)
 
We have a formula SAE team at U Ottawa, but it seems hideously disorganized. I can't even find out where they hold the meetings...
 
You know, my brother's alma mater, the University of Houston, had a Mini Baja project going. With the ASME (American Society of Mechanical Engineers, I believe) deal at UH, I've seen the incomplete car times or two when my brother took me up to the University of Houston. The building is basically an old-style warehouse. I don't think the crew was really done anytime. Hey, I'm no Houston Cougar. I don't have an Engineering major. So, I don't know myself.

As far as this Formula SAE deal goes, I believe the SCCA sanctioned a series where these universities and colleges can actually race these things. So let me make this offer- SCCA Runoffs- Formula SAE class. It would be "the best college" battle. I don't think we're going to see the intensity of the motorsports as Michigan vs. Ohio State, Army vs. Navy, or even Texas vs. Oklahoma on something other than the gridiron or hardwood. Besides, if there were collegiate efforts to break into motorsports, let's face it. Your college/university may have a rival, but on the track, EVERYONE (except your teammate) is your rival! If college motorsports gets to be as big as college football, basketball, or even soccer, then let me sweeten the pot. Let's say that colleges and universities can field as few as one car, but as many as three (so, no 5 or 6 Jack Roush teammates or anything). If you know your colleges and universities and the conferences they represent- can you imagine Big Ten racing? ACC Motorsports? Big XII Motorsports? Conference USA Series?

Now really, Formula SAE is more of a chance for colleges and universities to prepare a race car and get some training as race car engineers, not so much of winning championships and such. Then, if there was such a College Motorsports deal, where and when would you do races? Some tracks will probably be really cold or snowy, and racing doesn't really go on in the Fall and Winter unless you're doing Ice Racing. These are my views, but you're free to comment. Carry on with the collegiate motorsports topic.
 
Having a championship at the runoffs would be like a bowl game.TV coverage and all the glory that gose with it.It could also bring in some major sponsors to help cut the cost to the schools down. 👍
 
I know Oakland University has a little car they run around out in the parking lot on Sundays. I've gone to watch them a few times. I know it uses a little motorcycle engine and really gets up and goes.

Also there is a school sponsored auto cross club at school which is pretty cool. The school lets them use the big parking lot to set up an autocross course twice a month. There are some pretty good people that race. I've tried it out in my Blazer, but I suck at it. And yes they allow lowered SUV's because I can't roll my truck any more then the guy with the WRX wagon can roll his car.
 
BlazinXtreme
I know Oakland University has a little car they run around out in the parking lot on Sundays. I've gone to watch them a few times. I know it uses a little motorcycle engine and really gets up and goes.

Also there is a school sponsored auto cross club at school which is pretty cool. The school lets them use the big parking lot to set up an autocross course twice a month. There are some pretty good people that race. I've tried it out in my Blazer, but I suck at it. And yes they allow lowered SUV's because I can't roll my truck any more then the guy with the WRX wagon can roll his car.

Why lowered trucks specifically? They have less rollover risk then others. Unless the only thing you did was cut the springs, but even then it isn't that great.
 
I have a sports suspension on my truck, plus its 5 inches lower then a stock Blazer. Not to mention I have beefed up sway bars, bushings, and stuff like that. Plus I have high grip tires, trust me, I can corner with that thing pretty damn good. But they will not allow stock height trucks because they will roll over.
 
BlazinXtreme
I have a sports suspension on my truck, plus its 5 inches lower then a stock Blazer. Not to mention I have beefed up sway bars, bushings, and stuff like that. Plus I have high grip tires, trust me, I can corner with that thing pretty damn good. But they will not allow stock height trucks because they will roll over.

Ahh, ok. I though you had done good suspension work. Just wondering why you specifically mentioned lowered trucks. I thought you meant that they normally don't allow lowered ones, as opposed to it being the reason it was allowed.
 
Something to keep in mind is that Formula SAE will likely be the circuit-bound racers, but the Mini Baja may have to have some experience with... Rally America or something. So, for the Mini Baja contenders, there has to be some Autocross or rally tracks to be used.

By the way, I kind of stunned myself with the call on Conference Championships in racing. Now, I'm talking about American college sports, because we are the ones all out there with conferences. Since I like the race car the University of Texas-Arlington came up with, I would like to see cars made up in the mold of something like the UTA ride. On top of this, I'd like to imagine how lower-level schools would want to get involved. When it comes to Division 1 athletics, these are most common in football and/or basketball... and this is just to give you an example of how many colleges and universities are out there in respective divisions.

DIVISION 1 (Miscellaneous football and basketball schools)
Michigan, [THE] Ohio State, San Diego, Marquette, Loyola Marymount, St. John's, Florida State, Texas, Houston, Syracuse (can you imagine their colors?), Oklahoma, Kansas State, Florida Atlantic, Texas A&M, Texas A&M-Corpus Christi, Oakland (of Michigan, not California), IUPUI (Indiana University- Purdue University- Indianapolis)

DIVISION 2 (Miscellaneous football and basketball schools)
Oklahoma Panhandle State, Chaminade, San Francisco State, Grand Valley State, Valdosta State, Presbyterian, Alaska-Anchorage, Seattle, California-Davis, Arkansas-Monticello, Nebraska-Omaha, Adelphi, Bemidji State, Notre Dame de Namur

DIVISION 3 (Miscellaneous football and basketball schools)
Trinity, Occidental, Incarnate Word, Texas-Dallas, Mount Union, Le Tourneau, Mary Hardin-Baylor, Amherst College, Pomona-Pitzer, City College of New York

I think you'd have to divide things into region, especially since colleges and universities can enter at certain divisions. For example, Fairleigh Dickinson has a Division 1 basketball school, but a Division 3 football team, so where would you rate them? Then too... would such programs be good or bad for the participants? Think of the money issues and actually fielding cars.
 
I've been looking through the different websites of American universities and colleges, and I normally said that Texas-Arlington had the most stylish race car. Well, there are some other nice cars, only that the UTA Mavericks have the slickest of them all. California-San Diego has a nice one as well.

Look at the international competition, though (international meaning, other than America). It seems like Canada, Australia, the United Kingdom, Venezuela, Italy, France, and even South Korea are all represented.

A few more links:
http://www.sae.org/news/scca-formulasae.htm
>>>SCCA's provisional racing class for Formula SAE
http://www.sae.org/servlets/collegi...E=teamRegistrationList&EVT_SCHED_GEN_NUM=null
>>>Reigstered teams for Collegiate Competition Events for SAE
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=9&article_id=1585
>>>Road and Track Magazine article on 2004 Formula SAE

Can you believe that over 140 teams have officially registered? This is catching on pretty well. This includes international teams. Also, (especially to BlazinXtreme), Oakland University is included. Now, wouldn't it be funny if the University of Texas had a front wing style similar to Longhorns? Hook 'em horns, baby! ^_^ Check the Road and Track link I provided, and look at both the University of Missouri-Rolla and Cal Poly-Pomona race cars. The Missouri-Rolla ride is pretty sweet. Cal Poly-Pomona's car looks like a car form maybe the 1970s or 1980s with the huge rear wing... and it just looks like a car from the time when Can-Am was hot. Apparentely, Formula SAE has been around since 1981. Some designs seemed pretty ugly, but then, would you rather an Indy racer or a Formula one racer instead? These college and universities don't have the budget of Scuderia Ferrari, so you make the most of what you have. Then too, one of the schools made the first-ever all-wheel drive FSAE racer. So you may want to check that out as well.
 
More links...

http://www.scca.org/Search.asp?IdS=027FA0-9F6E970&
http://www.scca.org/News/News.asp?IdS=027FA0-9F6E970&Id=352&~=
http://www.sae.org/students/fsaehistory.pdf (Adobe Acrobat required)

And you have to see these videos from Texas-Arlington's awesome FSAE ride!

http://maepro.uta.edu/fsae/videos.html

Just listen to the motorcycle engine purr up the gears. Since it's a motorcycle engine, sometimes, I fathom it's kind of a Ferrari motor noise. If you want some high-speed action, check out the Texas Motor Speedway video. I recommend looking at the 2004 videos. By the way, the car name is called the F04. More information at: http://maepro.uta.edu/fsae/04car-team.html .

All I'm trying to do here is kind of show you around with Formula SAE efforts by colleges and universities, not to mention the specific Engineering colleges behind these efforts.
 
I don't know about you, but this is my favorite Formula SAE race car that I've ever seen. Here's a link to their car and the team behind this 2004 Texas-Arlington machine:

http://maepro.uta.edu/fsae/04car-team.html

Note elements such as the aerodynamic work up front and in the rear. They use carbon fiber wings. The aerodynamics at the rear seems to be pretty interesting. I think if UTA spent a whole lot of money on this car, they would likely have a machine that would probably be able to compete in one of the Valvoline Runoff events with single-seat formula cars. It really looks like a stylish and capable formula race car. I don't know some of the real specifics on this car. To give you some perspective on the length of the car, it's much smaller than a Japanese Kei car (3400mm). In fact, I think the 2002 Texas-Arlington race car was about 2,840mm long. It will take the length of two of these race cars to equal the total length of most bigger cars. So they are pretty short lengthwise. I don't know too much about most other dimenisons. I think these cars have to cost no more than $30,000 overall.

Texas-Arlington and Rensselaer Polytechnical Institute (RPI) are among two of the real veterans of SAE motorsports competition. Visit RPI's FSAE website at: { http://www.formularpi.com/v2/default.php } and take a look at their past cars. They have a lot of history competiting in SAE events, especially Formula SAE. RPI even has its own montage of Formula SAE competition on their website. Basically, check it out if you get a chance.
 
yes, they are very small in person, i was going to help with the western michigan university attempt of reconstructing a few crucial parts on their car, but scheduling issues don't allow me to help.

very cool concept. i thought you guys would be up on this stuff!

this fits my schedule so i go help weekly on whatever is needed. http://www.broncomotorsports.com/
its a ton of fun, the other day i helped figure out what we're going to do about the exhaust on the RX7. so far the only thing i have heard running is the rabbit, and let me tell you that mother is loud!
 
Look and see what sort of program they have, a lot of schools have a sponsored motorsports program. At Oakland we do the Formula SAE and we have some sort of track Neon that was given to us by Chrysler a couple years ago. I've also seen NASCAR type cars sitting in the garage at school.

I'm sure you can find something to become apart of if you so wish.
 
I'm glad someone brought this thread back. Something about me... I'll make threads and try to make an effort to talk about them and update them. However, I haven't updated this deal in ages. I haven't even checked my resources for the Formula SAE results of recent FSAE competitions.

For fun, I still imagine if some sanctioning body allowed for universities and colleges to come up with a spec racing series for students to take part in. A fun concept I had envisioned was a superkart league. Imagine if schools bought and maintained these superkarts as they go racing. It would be a low-cost deal for a lot of colleges and universities to take part in. Kart racing is very fun. Nothing like it. Then imagine conferences much like in football and basketball. TwinTurbos94, you're in Columbia, SC. Gamecocks country. Imagine if South Carolina had some "conference racing where some of your school's best compete against similar-spec karts and drivers from schools like LSU, Kentucky, Alabama, and places like that among SEC schools. Or try ACC country and show Florida State, Georgia Tech, Maryland, and Miami who's boss.

This was a different idea from my "let all the schools own and maintain Radicals for racing" idea. It would still be cool to see Radicals, but it would probably cost a lot to have these for racing. Since there's Formula SAE, I could imagine if schools had some open-wheel cars kind of in the general mold of a spec racing car. Maybe something like the Panoz DP-01 in Champ Car (as far as a one-car example). Could you imagine Big Ten racing? Think of a high-speed rivalry between Michigan and Ohio State. Illinois and Northwestern. Wisconsin and Iowa. Minnesota and Penn State. All part of my childish imagination. And all part of having fun.
 
John that would be awsome! This is something that The NCAA and Formula SAE need to do! Have 2 to 3 karts per university. A "University" champion and driver champion per Confrence and the conference champions compete in a "national championship" race.
 
You'd have to establish things in terms of conferences. You can go on football conferences to show off teams among those conferences. Or, you can go with basketball conferences and even non-football schools in them. Say some collegiate racing conference of Big East teams were featured. This is the Big East in football:

BIG EAST FOOTBALL
Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Syracuse, South Florida, Louisville, Cincinatti, Rutgers, and Connecticut

...and this is the Big East in basketball:

BIG EAST BASKETBALL:
Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Syracuse, South Florida, Louisville, Cincinatti, Rutgers, Connecticut, Georgetown, Villanova, Notre Dame, St. John's (Jamaica, NY), Seton Hall, Providence, Marquette, and DePaul

Schools that have the money as well as access to a certain race track or open parking lots and university roads would play host to some racing action. Take the University of Houston here in my hometown. There's a section around where mechanical engineering (a ransacked-looking warehouse) that has a two-lane road. Some of the parking lots would make great racing areas. I should know because some of the parking lots were areas that my brother taught me to drive at. Formula SAE events do use some parking lots as well as some permanent race tracks. I seen a video that featured the University of Texas-Arlington in 2004(?) around part of the infield road course at Texas Motor Speedway, for example. I think some schools should try having some good shifter karts. Even better, nothing like some superkarts with the way they look and perform. You can also dress them up more. Imagine if the University of Illinois-Chicago had some nice flame designs since UIC's teams are known as the Flames (I like their fight song).

If they could spend the money best, they'd either build spec Formula cars or any other sort of car similar to the Legends or Bandelero(?) cars. You all are free to use your imagination with feasible race cars if there was a true racing sanction for colleges and universities. I haven't yet thought of anything for a world league of collegiate motorsports ("Collegiate Motorosports World Series," anyone?). Care to let your creative juices flow?
 
My school (university of calgary) has a Formula SAE team/club. I'd like to join it, but I'm so swamped with school that if I did join, I wouldn't have any free time, and so far I haven't been willing to make that sacrifice. I'm in engineering, so I would fit it with what they do, but engineering program itself just leaves you barely any free time. :guilty:
 
I was looking online for a nice sort of spec car that could be used for motorsports among college racers. You might like this idea. There is something known as the Pro Challenge series. The cars are 3/4-scale cars capable of speeds of about 150 mph powered by motorcycle engines. I tend to like motorcycle-like sounds, only not so much for high-RPM usage. Believe it or not, the early days of Speed Channel or the late days of Speedvision had a series like this. The Pro Challenge cars . There are two classes of Pro Challenge cars that compete. The first is the Pro Challenge Oval Racer, which resembles your average stock car. The other are Pro Challenge Road Racers that resemble sports cars. Two models are cars based on the latest Ford Mustang and the previous-gen BMW M3. The road racing cars are capable of higher speeds. You can learn more about the specs for the two types of car at this link: < http://www.prochallenge.net/racecars_07.html >. Imagine if colleges and universities bought some of these cars to build and maintain by students to go racing. Also envision schools dressing up these cars with the school logo or some fancy graphics to make them look great and represent the school. They don't have lights on them, but I'd like to imagine if some night races were done on... let's say go-kart tracks at night, and the racers installed lights in the otherwise decaled-up headlights. By the way, the Pro Challenge series is thinking about a Dirt Racer style of car.

These cars would be great fendered cars. What I know is that you get into the cars by opening up the top, just like some of the Bandolero and Legends cars in the Lowe's Summer Shootout series. Do you think some schools would take up on an offer like these cars? Their official website: < http://www.prochallenge.net >.
 
Something I really notice about most Formula SAE cars is how they are designed. You have a wide variety of differently-styled formula cars. Most formula cars made by schools have that big roll hoop which protects the driver in the event of a rollover. The tires aren't usually of the pure racing slick variety. In fact, I'm not sure how wide the tires actually are compared to a set of racing rubber for F1 cars or even Indy Cars. I know the tires aren't as large or as wide. The front nose of formula cars made by students have varying degrees of noses. Very few have front wings on the nose. Styles of noses that I've seen for such cars usually range from clean and aerodynamic noses, aerodynamic noses that are curvy and large, then you have those with long and somewhat blunt-edged noses. Some of the radiator intakes are more like what you'd see with Formula Ford or some Formula 3 cars. They are pretty low. There are also the muffler at the rear of the car. Some formula cars made by these universities and colleges have some rear wings installed on cars to add some rear downforce. The Formula SAE car that stands out for me was the 2004 car made by the University of Texas-Arlington. The car just looks really sophisticated. It has wings at the front and rear along with the pure race car body panels underneath. Here is a link featuring picutres of UTA's awesome 2004 FSAE car: < http://maepro.uta.edu/fsae/04car-team.html >.

I still think it's great seeing colleges and universities create these amazing cars and make them shine in competition.
 
I wish ours would do it. We've got a sports competition between the residential colleges at my university, but they'd never agree to running it (even if it were over the uni's private roads one Sunday).
 
The Formula SAE car that stands out for me was the 2004 car made by the University of Texas-Arlington. The car just looks really sophisticated. It has wings at the front and rear along with the pure race car body panels underneath. Here is a link featuring picutres of UTA's awesome 2004 FSAE car: < http://maepro.uta.edu/fsae/04car-team.html >.


Although it may look sophisticated and like a “pure race car”, those huge wings are completely unnecessary as the cars never reach speeds, and certainly don’t corner at speeds where they will create any significant downforce.

I am currently studying automotive engineering at Oxford Brookes University in the UK. We enter the UK, US and German formula student competitions. We are one of the top UK teams and have won the UK competition multiple times. Last year we were also the top UK team in the US competition.

This is our 2007 car, which, although very fast was let down in the overall standings by our design and cost reports and some reliability issues.

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FSAE is an excellent thing to get involved with if your college/university participates.

We also have a university karting championship in the UK called BUKC.
 
I try to do stuff with WSU's FSAE team, I just never time to get to meetings or the shop because of work :indiff: It sucks because I know I'd learn alot too...

I just know at the moment we are having some issues with weight, and engine tuning (mostly lazy guy doing that). Things like a steel gas tank, etc. So hard to figure out where cutting weight will be effective though, because you don't always know if moving this or changing that will require something else in the long run.
 
It's still great for college students to be able to create and race these cars. Maybe just for fun, I'd love to see different Formula SAE cars compete on the track in traditional pack racing. Then too, I don't know if teams can work out the kinks of cars if they do in fact race.

It is for this reason why I'd like to maybe see go-karts or something with schools represented. A dream would be college teams on full circuits. Wildest dream would be packs of Radicals (as in the highly-popular sports car maker) going at it on circuits anywhere. Only thing I'd doubt would be some sort of world championship for collegiate racing. A world championship? Yeah. Think of an international championship in which colleges from America and all over the world agree to compete on race tracks around the world as a world champion will be established. You could even have Formula SAE vs. Formula Student. Part of my focus for this thread is on colleges competiting against each other in any form of traditional racing. It can be road racing, oval (of any kind) racing, drag racing, rally racing, hell... even drifting. Most of my emphasis has fallen upon Formula SAE.

I saw a video made by Jay Leno's Garage featuring the Michigan State Formula SAE race team. I heard cars were usually restricted to about 660cc of displacement and go probably no faster than 20 mph. I would imagine if one university or college decided to go balls-out making a car. I'm talking about something like maybe one team making an all-out racing machine powered a Ducati 999R or a Suzuki GSXR 1300. Say it can do about 120 mph. Corner very well. Has sufficient downforce. Think a school could make such a car?

In talking about how such cars are made, someone mentioned how wings aren't really necessary. Schools are allowed to make such interestingly-designed cars. If wings aren't necessary, try telling that to Monash University and Missouri-Rolla. Both of these schools had cars that had massive rear wings. Almost look like they were hillclimb cars.

Here are some YouTube video links to some Formula SAE action:
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_nwucei04g (Texas-Arlington featured)
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aBoIJI6-y4 (Rensselaer Polytechnical Institute)
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYUG7iBW3M0 (FSAE Japan - no specific school I know)
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd_aalm_yv0 (Formula Student - Germany)
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH3H5bsvI0g (about Formula Student)
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoDFIS7fgrE (Akron)
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvYFTMB0u5o (Cornell University - this one is FUNNY! (WARNING: foul language))


Rennselaer is one of the true veterans of Formula SAE with about 17 years participating in this deal. I tried to get a Monash University hillclimb video for you, but I couldn't find one I like.
 
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