California sues America's and Japan's Big 3

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http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/09...-ford-honda-chrysler-toyota-nissan/#more-4064

My tax dollars at work... :grumpy: :mad: 🤬 :banghead:

If our so-called leaders hadn't gone off the deep end before, they sure as hell have now! I'm all for helping the environment, but this move isn't going to do jack 🤬 except make even more of our hard-earned tax dollars go up in smoke and, hopefully, expose those clowns in $acramento for the stuck-in-a-fantasyland knee-jerking lunatics that they are! Thank god I graduate in May so I can move somewhere else before those money-grubbing, self-serving, hippie-dippie, spend-til-the-cows-come-home :censored:bags who wouldn't know words like "logical" or "realistic" if they ran them over and hacked off their :censored:s sue mankind for breathing out CO2! *endrant*
 
This is going to be thrown out of any court it ever gets into. Its silly, like sueing gun companies for making guns that some idiot uses to kill people. Don't worry about it.
 
Toronado
This is going to be thrown out of any court it ever gets into. Its silly, like sueing gun companies for making guns that some idiot uses to kill people. Don't worry about it.
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I know it'll probably be thrown out, but the fact remains that me, my parents and all the other Californians who know this is a waste of time and energy already paid for it. That's the real rub!
 
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The U.S. sate of California filed a lawsuit today against GM, Ford, Honda, Chrysler, Toyota, and Nissan for the "public nuisance" they have created by building and selling millions of vehicles that contribute to global warming. "Vehicle emissions are the single most rapidly growing source of the carbon emissions contributing to global warming, yet the federal government and the automakers have refused to act," Attorney General Bill Lockyer said.

"It is time to hold these companies responsible for their contribution to this crisis," Lockyer said
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I'd like to see that proof that global warming is happening, let alone that vehicles are contributing to it.

Note that he says vehicles are the most rapidly growing source of carbon emissions contributing to global warming. Not that carbon dioxide is the most potent greenhouse gas (which it isn't) or that vehicles are the largest contributors of C02 (which they aren't). To sue, you have to prove damages, how has CA been damaged? Even NO can't prove it has been damaged by global warming.
 
A better, more effective way to reduce pollution would be to get the Californian leaders to stop lighting up big fat spliffs (CO2 emissions) before drafting up stupid lawsuits (depletion of the forests). They also might discover that the air is fresher than they think if they pulled their heads out of thier asses. And I bet they all drive around in gas-guzzling fleet Suburbans, too.
Seriously, it's like sueing the city of New York for light and noise pollution.
 
Keichi Tsuchiya
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4495463.stm
To be honest, I didn't really read into it, but its happening, it is caused by man and its a problem.
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Not everyone agrees with these conclusions. One scientist who disagrees is William Kininmonth, a former head of Australia's National Climate Centre and a member of Australia's delegations at various rounds of United Nations climate treaty negotiations.
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Here's another quote from that article...

the article
Historically, those changes have happened very slowly; but what we are doing now is we are changing that imbalance at a rate which appears to be unprecedented over at least a thousand years and possibly longer."
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A thousand years???? OMG WHAT!! That's so loooooong...

Oh wait, the Earth is billions of years old. What this quotes says to me is that we're seeing changes that have occured within the last few thousand years. Climate change on the Earth occurs on a 10-100 thousand year scale, so I'm not surprised the changes don't fit within the last 1000 years. If they fit anywhere within the last million years they could easily be natural.

But how do we know what the atmospheric absorbtion rate is over the last thousand years? Can they say with confidence how long it has been since the absorbtion rate has changed this quickly? Of course not, because the thousands of temperature readings they get from the oceans can't fill in data from a thousand years ago. That's why the scientist isn't sure how long it's been.

Your 2005 article isn't convincing. If you're convinced by it, I have some property to sell you.
 
This is in the opinions forum also and I already voiced my opinion there. To sum it up, the Federal Government of the United States of America should sue California for being a pain in my ass. I don't speak of Californians, but of the state government as an institution. Let's just assume that every single employee of the State of California drives a Maserati. Funny thing, that, since they get worse mileage than just about any vehicle any of the "Big Six" makes.

They have just taken the term "liberal whining pansy" to a new level.

And this thread shouldn't turn into another "Sorry we used up all your oil" thread. No, instead it should tunr into a "Hey everyone, California is the most sane institution on the planet!" thread.
 
I never like politics in the first place and this puts more salt on the wound. I'll say that (generally) people in Cali are more unrealistic than in the other states.
 
Oh god, it is things like these that makes me embarrassed of being Californian...

Seriously, if this is what Governor Ahnold comes up to solve our budget problems, I think another recall is necessary.
 
Toronado
This is going to be thrown out of any court it ever gets into. Its silly, like sueing gun companies for making guns that some idiot uses to kill people. Don't worry about it.
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It could be worse. It could be like the tobacco lawsuits. For over 50 years, it has been hinted (and later proved) that smoking causes all sorts of nasty internal disease, but people who smoked for just 15 years seemed to be having success in court.

There's no mistake that current civilzation (since ~1820) is severly detrimental to local environments. Displacing vast forests-worth of animal life, strip mining, any factory, over-fishing...it's all pretty bad stuff, and it's all going to be extremely difficult to correct.

Global warming itself, however, is almost impossible to prove one way or the other. For one thing, we've only got 120 years of useable data. Even extreme anomalies (like snow in June in the 1950's, summer of 1978) can be found all throughout history (minor ice age in the 1600's, creation of African deserts). There's so many factors it's like finding diamond dust in white sands.

I'd throw the trial out, but mostly because it's California. ;) That money could be so much better spent, like actually trying to fix the problem rather than blaming someone. Or when in doubt, spend it on education. Apparently California is in desperate need of it.
 
I don't see this happening.
Any fair minded judges would consider the fact that California's residents were contributing to the problem (which ties to their claim of state losses).

This law suit is meant to force America into officially recognizing global warming. My guess is that the "eco-friendly" people are hoping we will all change to live as they do- I don't see that happening either.
 
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The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Northern California […]
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Note that it’s the NorCals who are stirring up trouble – we SoCals are cool about everything. :sly:

Have I ever mentioned my absolute unadulterated hatred for bureaucracy?
 
I don't think that this is anything more that a publicity stunt designed to score points with the voters of California.... the issue of global warming aside, it is pretty pointless attempting to sue some car manufacturers. Surely if the precedent was set that car manufacturers can be successfully sues, then they'd have to sue all of them? And then they'd have to start on everyone and everything else that produces greenhouse gases - like power companies, or sue the individuals who use these products. It doesn't make any sense, but sadly this issue will probably run and run.
 
Well my biggest question is to why they go after GM, DCX, Ford, Toyota, Honda and Nissan... But not BMW, Porsche, Hyundai, etc. Do their cars produce birds and flowers as a bi-product of their cars burning of gasoline?

Next thing you know, they are going to be suing the airliners for buring jet fuel over California, Zippo for building lighters that can start fires, and McDonalds for food that can make you fat.

...Common sense should prevail with some folks, but unfortunately it looks as though everyone has lost their mind in California...
 
Wanna sue someone? Sue the Chinese! they pollute FAR more than Japan or U.S.'s Big Three.
 
Sage
Note that it’s the NorCals who are stirring up trouble – we SoCals are cool about everything. :sly:
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That does seem to be true in a lot of cases. Just another reason to split the state right down the middle, a la the Carolinas. That way stuff might actually get done instead of being in a perpetual state of partisan deadlock. Never gonna happen, though, simply because it would make too much sense... :rolleyes:
 
I wish the 6 automakers getting sued would do an :

"OK.. Screw you guys" - And stop selling cars in California. Tear down every single store and repairshop and then make like a banana...
 
L8 Apex
Thank god I graduate in May so I can move somewhere else before those money-grubbing, self-serving, hippie-dippie, spend-til-the-cows-come-home :censored:bags who wouldn't know words like "logical" or "realistic" if they ran them over and hacked off their :censored:s sue mankind for breathing out CO2! *endrant*
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You never finished your sentence. Before what?
 
Flerbizky
Sue mankind for breathing out CO2.....

It is indeed a finished sentence... A long one though :-)
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Yeah, sorry 'bout that. I tend to do a lot of things worse than usual when I'm royally pi$$ed at people, particularly public officials.

Anyway, the six manufacturers in the lawsuit have issued a joint response:

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/09/21/auto-industry-calls-california-lawsuit-a-nuisance/

I don't think I could have said it better myself. Like I said, I think we have to make it a point to help the earth, but $acramento's latest course of action doesn't accomplish squat toward that end, but hopefully it will make people associate "Bill Lockyer" and anyone connected to him with "brainless, self-absorbed scumbag."
 
Now what is this going to solve?
If he thinks this is a public nuisance and affects our economy now, just wait 'til they take away our cars that we use to get to work to support the current economy. You'd have chaos, which the last time I checked, is quite a public nuisance!
Maybe we should sue Bill Lockyer's parents for utilizing the nurses that drove to work to help his mother bear him. I wonder how Mr. Lockyer or his attorney's get to their offices everyday.
The last tim I checked, this country was based on the majority rules. The majority doesn't want to stop using their cars.
What a waste of ENERGY!:scared: :scared:
 

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