"Best Car" Returns; Looking for "Best Family Sedan/Saloon"

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Okay, I've decided to stick my feet back in the water and go searching for the best family sedan. This time things are a bit different, as we won't be comparing country-to-country, as I am looking for maybe the best vehicle worldwide in a particular category. This does create some challenges, particularly with pricing and size differences.

So here are the new rules:

1) Each person can nominate ONE, and only ONE car.

2) The car MUST be a sedan. No wishy-washy wannabes like the Mazda RX-8 or Saturn Ion Quad Coupe. That would be a sedan, saloon, whatever you want to call it.

3) Price wise, it can be anything up to $30,000 USD or it's equivalents in Europe and Australia, which I believe work out to around £20-23,000 (based on comparisons between 3-series and Vectra prices, your tax system makes things complicated, same with conversions), and about €25-27,000, and about $40,000 Australian (based on conversion tables). In a perfect world, we would be looking a nicely equipped models, not some stripper luxury ones.

4) This competition is open to models around the world. I do realize that some models will overlap here, and that is fine by me. For example, models like the Vectra come to mind, and I don't plan on encompassing all of the Epsilon models in one category, as many of them are indeed different.

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So, lets begin?

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Being the crazy Volkswagen-loving American that I am, I can't deny the awesomeness of the VW Jetta GLI. Okay, I'd be more likely to go out and buy a Zeta Impala once they arrive, but until they get here, I'm going with Vee-Dubya powa.

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Pricing is fairly competitive, and you can usually find a pretty nicely equipped model for less than $25K with a moon roof, 6-speed manual, and the arguably better plaid seats. Where this car wins is in fuel economy and power delivery, the 2.0T besting the old "efficent" 2.0L 8V by a few MPG, and manages to deliver an extra 85 BHP thanks to the turbocharged, direct-injection setup. Power is instantly there, and VW has done a good job of keeping torque steer at bay. Added to that, the chassis is remarkable at keeping the car pinned to the tarmac while still offering a quiet, comfortable ride that is acceptable for the whole family. Of course, that is if you allow the kids in the back seat...

Look, I'm sure a car like the Accord or Camry would be likely to win in this situation, but who knows. The GLI may be a long-shot nowadays, but it is worth a mention no less.
 
I know many of you will disagree but I'd have to say for the money I'd get one of these.

2007 Ford Fusion SEL V6:
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It has a V6 that's powerful yet fairly economical--and the low-end grunt is just fantastic. It may have 20bhp or so less than the Accord but it is faster and feels much more sporty. And even with 40bhp or so less than the Maxima the FWD Fusion doesn't have hardly any torque-steer while maintaining a great feeling of acceleration. With a nicely trimmed interior with a decent radio and comfy seats make it a good place to be on long trips. The 6spd automatic transmission is pretty good, especially when you consider Ford's US transmissions in the past were rather rubbish. I think it looks fantastic on the outside--even with the Mach3 grille. Granted I'd paint the chrome trim the same color as the body, but its still not ugly to say the least. You can get an AWD model this year with the SEL V6 spec--and let me tell you the handling is slightly better along with the acceleration is marginally better versus the FWD drivetrain. Its quite a quick cheap saloon. While being on a stretched Mazda6 platform it has more power and is cheaper than its Mazda sister. And the best part is, fully spec'd with every option it costs $29,910 USD.
 
:sly: My own car?? Yep :sly: Very nice sedan/saloon car.
 

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It's gotta be the Subaru Legacy 2.5 GT ($29,000 in Limited trim).

You get 250 horses and 250 lb-ft backed by an auto or a stick, and that means 0-60 in 5.3 and 14.1 the the quarter. To put that in perspective, that's only a few ticks behind the burly Mustang GT, which does them in 5.2 and 13.8, respectively. The plain (but agreeable) exterior makes it a great sleeper.

You also get the assurance of AWD, so if it's snowy or rainy, that performance is not going to disappear.

And you can get it in a wagon too, which is pretty unique in this segment. Can you say ultimate SUV alternative?
 
Chevrolet Impala
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With engines ranging from 211HP 3.5 Liter V6, to a 3.7 Liter 242HP V6 and the 303HP 5.3V8 for the SS the Impala has looks and performance for all needs and budgets. New & updated exterior styling includes new front and rear fascias, headlights, and taillights. And to go with that new exterior an updated interior with flip-and-fold rear seats, new instrument panel that wraps into the door panels, and standard side-curtain airbags. And a base price of only $20,330 you should put the Impala on your list if your looking for an affordable midsize family sedan.
 
Damnit Skip, you stole mine... I'll have to go find another one now...

And my dad has the 2.5 XT Outback Wagon Limited, which is basically a lifted Legacy... with every option. So nice and smooth.
 
2007 Honda Accord Sedan
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Starting at $18,800 (USD) for the VP, and ranging all the way up to $27,400 (USD) for the EX-L with a 244hp V-6, the Accord is a standard to look at, when it comes to family cars. Whether it be for it's ideal gas mileage, incredibly low maintenance, solid history, or abundant options list, the Accord is a difficult car to compare with for the dollar. A tested 24-36mpg for the 2.4L 4cyl, and 20-29mpg for the 3.0L V6, should keep your wallet from emptying too quickly on you, while the available Satellite Navigation system should guide you nicely.

~Cars.com Road Test


ALTHOUGH....

That still leaves us with it's arch-rival, the...

2007 Toyota Camry
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With a range of prices from $18,200 (USD) for the 2.4L (158hp 4cyl) CE to $27,800 (USD) range for the 3.5L (268hp V6) XLE, the Camry is on the same course as the Accord Sedan. It offers similar amenities and has plenty of options for the buyer to personalize their car with. 25-34mpg for the 4cyl and 22-31mpg for the V6, which also sounds nice for a rather luxurious sedan. And, since the car was just redesigned, they definitely look quite exquisite and higher luxury than the price reveals. A great bargain for the family sedan.

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don't know if you can have cars which have gone out of production so.....

Honda Accord Type-R '98

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2.2 VTEC motor, 216bhp, high spec interior and amazing handling. need i say more? (don't awnser that i'm not going to :lol:)
 
Well, I nominate which ever one toyomatt does not. So make my nomination the Camry I would say, since the accord was his first mention.
 
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2007 Hyundai Azera Limited



When Hyundai abolished their bad stereotype with the new 2006 Sonata and Tucson, they focused on maintain their new good looks and also the high value in each one of their cars, for a very affordable price.

The 2007 Hyundai Azera is no exception, backed up by America's Best Warranty (10yr - 100,000 Miles powertrain) and with an full arsenal of base features, it automatically becomes a great candidate for a family car.
With an MSRP of $27,135, the Hyundai Azera is one of the most luxurious cars for the money.

The following list contains standard options that come within its base model.

- Safety: Is what a lot of families look for.
  • Electronic Stability Control (ESC) as well as Traction control system are included.
  • Eight system airbags, 2 advanced front airbag
    - 2 front seat-mounted side-impact airbags
    - 2 rear seat-mounted side-impact airbags
    - 2 roof-mounted curtain side-impact airbags - Which as a matter of fact, saved my life from a huge side collision by a Dodge RAM grill.
  • Anti-lock braking system (ABS) which I think come standard in almost every vehicle today. It's always a big plus, both for your life and insurance payment ;)
  • Double reinforced steel beams on each side door, provides protection against a 35MPH collision. The one on the front and rear bumper is capable of resisting 10MPH. I know it doesn't sound much but it's better than 2.5MPH in most bumpers out there.

- Interior/Exterior features: Two other factors that most families look for are convenience and also looks. :)

Roominess is a winner for most families, the Hyundai Azera has a inside interior bigger than the BMW 3 series and Honda Accord, Toyota Avalon and Nissan Maxima. The trunk? you could fit another Azera in there, and let's not even mention the leg room in the back seats.

  • - Power driver and front passenger seat
  • - Integrated Memory System (IMS):Power driver seat, Outside mirrors and Power steering column.
  • - Moonroof is included.
  • - Heated front seats.
  • - Dual zone Automatic Temperature Control with outside temperature display and Air Quality System (AQS)
  • - Electrochromic auto-dimming rearview mirror with compass and Homelink® Universal Transceiver.
  • - Power rear sunshade - It helps keep the car cool on sunny days.

The car also has standard fog lights, chrome dual exhaust tips, break-away mirrors (for those small spaces in between cars at the mall parking lots) and a also a nice sleek looking design ;)

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- Performance: Power wise, why would you need more?

Engine comes with Continuously Variable Valve Timing (CVVT), and having 263-horsepower DOHC 24 valve V6 engine and 257 lb.-ft. of torque isn’t just impressive, it’s exhilarating.
Transmition is automatic, but you can always shift it to "Shiftronic" mode, which allows you to change the gear by yourself with just pushing the stick forward for upshift or down for downshift (duh!) and it feels pretty cool to be honest.

- And last but certainly not least, Pricing: Most people don't care about extra features, money is what really comes down with.

But if you can enjoy the luxury of an Avalon Limited (34 grand) and reviews state that the Azera challenges the ES330, for the price of a top-of-the-line Camry, then why not?
The invoice of the car is $25,000, so there's obviously some mark up on it, leaving you with more room for negotiation.
Seriously, you take a car like that, with all those features, you're looking at a 32+ thousand dollar car.


Note that most of the comparisons made for this car, are not with Accords or Camrys, there's the Sonata for that. They are made with BMWs, Lexus or even M-B.


And for those people who are still skeptic about Hyundai's improvement, there's the standard warranty of 10yrs - 100,000 miles power train and 5yrs bumper to bumper coverage.

My mom and one of my college buddy's parents got the Azera and they never had any complaints with it.


That's it...I'm done 👍







Ciao!
 
Mitsubishi Lancer EVO 9
Watch me put a family in it.
It has everything you need to haul the "American Family" in it, for 99.99% of your excursions, so barring a long trip where you need to carry tons of cargo, it's a handy-dandy daily driver, for one, or the whole family.
Did I mention it's got enough pep to pull on the highway without worrying about being rear-ended?
 
BMW 3 Series
A new one for less than $30,000 USD? Not unless you steal it…

I’ll be biased and nominate my own car :sly:, the Mazda 3. For $17,000 USD you can get the most powerful sedan in its class, a sport-tuned suspension, kick-ass good looks, an interior that feels like it belongs in a car $10k more expensive, an audio auxiliary port, a clutch and shifter that are almost Miata-quality, and of course the practicality of a sedan. And for less than $25,000 USD, you can max it out with leather seating, meaty wheels, Xenon headlights and LED taillights, auto-everything (including windshield wipers), and a navigation system.

Screaming value + awesome handling = yay for us. :)

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Hyundai Sonata SE


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Pricing - 21,595

Powerplant - 3.3-liter DOHC 24-valve V-6, 234 hp, 226 lb-ft

Transmission - 5 speed auto w/ manumatic shifting.

Coming in at 21K, the Sonata is much cheaper than that of the Accord V6, or the Camry V6, and with similar power. With loads of standard features, the Sonata is the value priced of the more competitive Family Sedans.

The Sonata SE, with its 234hp V6, will stay competitive with the Accord in terms of straight line performance and for 3K less.

Comparison

I love this car. :drool: over value.
 
Being the crazy Volkswagen-loving American that I am, I can't deny the awesomeness of the VW Jetta GLI. Okay, I'd be more likely to go out and buy a Zeta Impala once they arrive, but until they get here, I'm going with Vee-Dubya powa.

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Pricing is fairly competitive, and you can usually find a pretty nicely equipped model for less than $25K with a moon roof, 6-speed manual, and the arguably better plaid seats. Where this car wins is in fuel economy and power delivery, the 2.0T besting the old "efficent" 2.0L 8V by a few MPG, and manages to deliver an extra 85 BHP thanks to the turbocharged, direct-injection setup. Power is instantly there, and VW has done a good job of keeping torque steer at bay. Added to that, the chassis is remarkable at keeping the car pinned to the tarmac while still offering a quiet, comfortable ride that is acceptable for the whole family. Of course, that is if you allow the kids in the back seat...

Look, I'm sure a car like the Accord or Camry would be likely to win in this situation, but who knows. The GLI may be a long-shot nowadays, but it is worth a mention no less.

I respect your views, and I'd just like to add mine.
A Golf is available for slightly less money. A Passat is available for slightly more.
VW have completely buggered up the Jetta thanks to it's pricing.

My choice-

Simple equation:
Comfort+Technology+Low Price=Great Car.
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A new one for less than $30,000 USD? Not unless you steal it…
I was beginning to wonder why it hadn't yet been nominated, however.

YSSMAN
3) Price wise, it can be anything up to $30,000 USD or it's equivalents in Europe and Australia, which I believe work out to around £20-23,000 (based on comparisons between 3-series and Vectra prices, your tax system makes things complicated, same with conversions), and about €25-27,000, and about $40,000 Australian (based on conversion tables). In a perfect world, we would be looking a nicely equipped models, not some stripper luxury ones.
And on forth to www.bmw.co.uk
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318i ES * £20,465 Petrol 22% (25%) 1995cc Yes 38.7 (35.8) mpg 10.0 (11.0)p
Tadaa.
 
So which do you nominate? You can only nominate 1; check the rules.

I was nominating the Accord, so I apologize for not being clear enough for you to notice. I just wanted to post up the Camry for user interest, and possible alternate user nomination. (Which Azureman promptly did for me. ;))
 
I was beginning to wonder why it hadn't yet been nominated, however.


And on forth to www.bmw.co.uk

Tadaa.

Yup. If we still got the 318i on this side of the pond, I'm sure it would cost somewhere under $30k.

3-series is my vote, too. Who cares if my 318i has a chance against the E90 318i in a drag race ( :lol: ) -- we're not after speed, here. It's decently practical, looks nice, and is very reliable (especially since the 318i is...shall we say, lacking a surplus in drivetrain-wrenching power ;) ).
 
I respect your views, and I'd just like to add mine.
A Golf is available for slightly less money. A Passat is available for slightly more.
VW have completely buggered up the Jetta thanks to it's pricing.

Yeah, I do realize that. However with the Jetta you get more optional engines by comparison to the Rabbit here in the US, and given that 40% of American VW sales are indeed Jettas, they are obviously designed with Americans in mind. I would agree however that for the small price increase, the 2.0T "Value Edition" Passat is a good choice, but I'd rather get the extras of a GLI Jetta myself...

My choice-

Simple equation:
Comfort+Technology+Low Price=Great Car.
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Okay, help me out here. What kind of Citroen is that?


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BTW: What happened to the rest of the Europeans?
 
I'm not actually nominating any car. However, I would like to weigh in and say that the Jetta GLI and Camry stand out in my eyes.
The Jetta is the sporty car for the thread and the Camry is the family car for the thread (just my opinion though).
 
BTW: What happened to the rest of the Europeans?
We're more into hatchbacks.

For example, Renault pretty much only does Hatchbacks. There is the Megane Sport Saloon, but untill I double checked on the Renault website I'd never heard of it.

Ford's main seller is the Focus, I'm not sure if the new version comes in saloon form, I know the Mk1 did.

Oh and lest we forget, there's the Vectra. Not that it's highly rated.
 
So how many more nominees you need to create the official voting thread?

Where's everybody else's nomination? :confused:







Ciao!
 
We're more into hatchbacks.

I think I'll do a Hot-Hatch showdown next then. It could be fun, as America is attempting to get into it, kinda. Of course we're pretty much just modifying your Astra for the Saturn brand, but we do have a few tricks up our sleeves.
 
I'll have to be Bias and nominate the Commodore SV6.

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$39,990AUD with 6-Speed Manual

  • 195kW of power at 6500rpm (260hp)
  • 340Nm of torque at 2600rpm (251 ft.lb)
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Probably the biggest car nominated so far, the most powerful, and RWD.
 
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I nominate the Jaguar X-type, while it isn't the cheapest car on this list (and no one buys the model without that brilliant touch-screen sat-nav/ onboard computer/ TV system) it is within the reach of quite a few middle-class families and with its quiet but powerful engine range, Jaguaresque stylings, 4WD, and vast array of great gizmos it is a brilliant car. It even has a big boot and countless weight-sensitive airbags, perfect for a family.

It may be in dodgy ground on rule 3 but this scaled down saloon performs well on dodgy ground.
 
Flame, that starts at around 34000 USD. Which puts it out of the price range for this. Just an FYI
 
I think the UK gets down-spec/diesel engines we don't see in the states that would allow it under the cap.

Although the spec should be specified in the nomination clearer, voting could get confusing if we end up pitting the 3-series in general against a Mazda3 (for example).
 
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