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Excellent Hill!!
Also curious as to where this is in NY. Might have to make a showing and support all our fellow SNAIL finalists! Get those shirts ready zero! I'll take a large. . . .
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Excellent Hill!!
Also curious as to where this is in NY. Might have to make a showing and support all our fellow SNAIL finalists! Get those shirts ready zero! I'll take a large. . . .
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Congratulations Hill! Good luck and have fun.
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This is exciting! Wish we had vacation days, the wife and I would love to come support you guys, even have a place we can roost in manhattan.
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The S.N.A.I.L. OLR
07: Corner Rights:
A:
When approaching the turn/apex of turn, the car which "holds" the inner side of turn has entrance-advantage and other driver(s) must refrain from endangering him by his actions.
B:
You must establish substantial overlap with the car ahead before they reach the corner’s turn-in point to have the right to drive up their inside, or to expect them to leave inside room for you. At least the front of your car should be up to the driver’s position in the ahead car. The ahead driver has the right to be fully committed to the racing line of their choice without any interference if there was no substantial overlap before he turned in.
C:
If sufficient overlap is established before the turn-in point, then the behind driver has the right to sufficient side room. The ahead driver must also leave sufficient side room for the behind driver. This means that each driver has a right to their respective "line", or side of the track, right up to the exit point. Neither driver should squeeze the other toward the inside or outside of the corner during the apex or exit.
D:
The turn in point is the point at which the leading car begins their turn into the corner–this may vary from the point at which you turn into the corner.
E:
If an ahead driver has clearly made an error to warrant a passing move, a behind driver may attack their position, with due caution and care, regardless of whether there was any pre-existing overlap. However, the overtaking driver must still avoid contact. Small errors by the ahead driver may not necessarily justify a passing move. The ahead driver getting a bit out of shape at times doesn’t give you an automatic right to force a pass. You still have to pass safely and without undue contact.
F:
Drivers are expected to set buttons up for side views as "I didn't see you" is not an excuse if you collide with another driver when racing.
The Good Racecraft Guide
Defending & Attacking
An experienced racer will take whatever line he feels necessary into any given corner in order to defend & maintain his place, he is entitled to do so as he has track position over the pursuing driver, remember that the fastest line is not always the winning one. It is the other chaps job to force him into an error, whilst still driving cleanly of course, or wait for one to occur naturally & then take advantage of it, albeit in the proper fashion. An inexperienced racer will, in his endless optimism, tend to stuff it up the inside at every unavailable opportunity when trying to pass, imagining he is driving well but making far too much contact & causing many unnecessary incidents. Also, some lacking in good racecraft tend to drive right up to & into the driver in front, as they do not have the common sense to adjust their throttle & braking to account for following in the slipstream of another. You will notice that drivers who have good racecraft make very little contact when following & passing others on track.
The following is from another forum -ukgpl.com. Same message, with pictures.
Corner Rights
If you watch the odd few GPL drivers in action you might think the rule for corner rights goes something like, " Whatever piece of ground I can barge my way into I have the right to ". Well, ... not so. There is actually an etiquette for corner rights. It's not just for GPL, or racing sims, but is basically the same for every level of real-world motor racing - from Formula Ford to Formula 1 and everything in between. " What ! ", you say. " You mean I don't have the right to throw my car into any gap I see ? ". Actually no, you don't - and if you raced in any real-world competition the way you may race in GPL, instead of being hailed as a motor racing genius you may find yourself banned from even the lowest levels of the sport. Some of the everyday things you see in GPL simply aren't tolerated where real cars are damaged, real money is the cost of repair, and real lives are at risk.
In brief, the concept is, you must establish substantial overlap with the car ahead before a corner's turn-in point to have the right for room to be left for you by the ahead driver. Substantial overlap means at least that the front of your car is up to say the driver's position in the ahead car - and that's at the very least. You probably should have more in many circumstances. The ahead driver has ever right to be fully committed to the racing line of his choice without any interference if there was no overlap before he turned in.
If sufficient overlap is established before the turn-in point, then the behind driver has the right to room. The ahead driver can still battle for the place of course but must do so from a wider-out position, leaving room for the behind driver.
You can see here why overlap established after the turn-in point isn't really valid and therefore isn't honored in car racing rules. Its actually false overlap that's created by the turning movements of the cars. Its not due to one being faster than the other or one out-braking the other. In positions 1, 2, and 3, below, you can see that the Lotus has no overlap at all if you consider the straight ahead direction - shown by the blue lines. But if you take a perpendicular from the attitude of the cars, shown by the red lines, there is some overlap at position 2 and substantial overlap at position 3. This overlap is entirely false of course as the Lotus here hasn't actually out-braked or out-sped the Eagle by any amount what-so-ever - as I hope you can see form this diagram. Unfortunately many drivers think that if they do this they are some kind of out-braking genius, when in fact they are not out-preforming the other driver at all. Its a geometric illusion that has nothing to do with a driver's ability or performance. If they could really out-brake the other, they would have made some overlap before the turn-in point, not after it.
1 Before the turn-in point there's no overlap - therefore the Lotus has no right to room or to interfere with the Eagle's normal racing line in any way.
2 But, as often happens, the Lotus sees this empty zone along the inside and thinks they can zoom up into it, probably believing this to be the move of a talented racing genius.
3 Its possible to get apparent overlap after the turn-in point. The point is you shouldn't.
4 The Lotus may actually achieve their objective, forcing the Eagle out wide, who may actually not press the issue for the sake of not crashing - if they can.
5 But, if the Eagle doesn't back away, and holds their line, as they're entitled to do, this is what happens as often as not.
The issue is that the Eagle has the right to be fully committed to the racing line. In this case, the entire inside area ought to have been a no-go zone for the Lotus, who should have tucked in behind and followed the Eagle around. Of course, late braking barge drivers often end up in the hay bails, hopefully without taking you with them.
Racers----Reading for this weekend.
*****This also obviously applies to the start of the race, going into the first corner. Overlap is required before turn in. If you don't have it, back off and get in line.*******
Stewards--- cameras should be on the blue line, square with the track not the cars, when checking for overlap.
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Read people! Read it will and understand it! I am not the eagle! I can say I won't give you the room if you try this (aka, dive bomb). I'll be sure to take my full entitled track space regardless if your squeezing in or not. Things are getting a touch out of hand. We are going into the third week of this season, people should be more then used to driving with the others in their division. Regardless, your racecraft should be good enough to avoid this anyway. Lets start getting back on track to having a stellar, clean league.
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Mopar, do I need to mock you again?...
I mean honestly, if you don't follow the thread, thats whatever, but if you don't, then don't ask that question, watch the 2nd post and wait for it to be updated. If you so follow the thread, then you should know theres 30 complaints, and practicehas been pushed back a day, and No big post has been made clearing the winners, or a even bigger post of the official standing.in short, no, and asking every week is annoying.
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RallywagonMopar, do I need to mock you again?...
I mean honestly, if you don't follow the thread, thats whatever, but if you don't, then don't ask that question, watch the 2nd post and wait for it to be updated. If you so follow the thread, then you should know theres 30 complaints, and practicehas been pushed back a day, and No big post has been made clearing the winners, or a even bigger post of the official standing.in short, no, and asking every week is annoying.
The thread God has spoken. This is far more annoying than mopar asking a question. Just sayin
GumballCGT
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I'll actually be home tonight to practice with you guys. Looking forward to it.
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Congratulations to you too Gumball!!! Wow, how many guys made it to NYC?
@zer0 --- We should add something to the first post.
@zer0 --- We should add something to the first post.
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Aren't we practicing on Thursdays now instead of Wednesdays?
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Yep, that is the plan, Quiet
Hooker, hasn't anyone told you not to test a god?
At any rate. He got a nice reply last week after posting this same question 5 posts after DW had said that the stewards were still reviewing incidents. Not my fault he didn't catch the drift the first time. It is made quite blatantly clear when prize winners are clear of penalties and can choose, and then made quite clear again when the official results are made, and then again when they make the choice and people start posting pics and lap times, and is further clarified on the second post. That goes along with all the buzz that follows the choices made on the thread.
Hooker, hasn't anyone told you not to test a god?
At any rate. He got a nice reply last week after posting this same question 5 posts after DW had said that the stewards were still reviewing incidents. Not my fault he didn't catch the drift the first time. It is made quite blatantly clear when prize winners are clear of penalties and can choose, and then made quite clear again when the official results are made, and then again when they make the choice and people start posting pics and lap times, and is further clarified on the second post. That goes along with all the buzz that follows the choices made on the thread.
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Rally, this would be a good spot to use Walter White's line from Sunday night's Breaking Bad.
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"Ray, the next time someone asks if you are a god... SAY YES!!!"
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There is one in the works from what I understand.
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RallywagonMopar, do I need to mock you again?...
I mean honestly, if you don't follow the thread, thats whatever, but if you don't, then don't ask that question, watch the 2nd post and wait for it to be updated. If you so follow the thread, then you should know theres 30 complaints, and practicehas been pushed back a day, and No big post has been made clearing the winners, or a even bigger post of the official standing.in short, no, and asking every week
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Awesome news! Congrats and good luck!
Anyone have a copy of P90X they can overnight to Hill?
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Congrats!!
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Ditto! Congrats Gumball! There are four active snails that made it. 👍
Okay, I'll see what I can come up with.
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How many times has someone not named Mopar440 asked the very same question without getting a belligerent response?
With over 1700 pages in this thread, things move quickly. There may be 5 pages or more in a single day. Homey just wanted to know if the choices were made. There could be several hours between the choices being made and the first post being updated. Sheesh...
God indeed...meh.
With over 1700 pages in this thread, things move quickly. There may be 5 pages or more in a single day. Homey just wanted to know if the choices were made. There could be several hours between the choices being made and the first post being updated. Sheesh...
God indeed...meh.
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