07 year of the nissan supercars?

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Some juicy info found online! this was posted at freshalloy by one of the admins I'll give you the gist of it here

so we all know the GTR is comming to the US as an infiniti, with nissan left with nothing to sell at such a high range. Well now we have exciting news! In order to have something to compete with the GTR nissan will get 2 new cars, one is a 450Z The upgraded model will feature a 4.5 liter V8 found in the M45 except bumped up from 340 to 430 HP with AWD.

Second nissan is also making a special edition 350Z fairlady TWIN TURBO edition with a 550 HP TT 3.2L engine no more than 10% of Z's made will be allowed to be this model, however since the GTR is TOP DOG in nissans arsenal I expect the GTR to be even more powerful than either of them since nissan would never undercut the mighty GTR. so I'm excited to think of over 550 horses to compete with the new lineup of porsches, audis, M3s etc. Go Nissan! I mean nissans goal was to beat the 911 and the 07 one is gonna have 460-to-480 so nissan needs to up the ante if they are going to compete in the supercar market!

any thoughts on this?
 
Already knew about the 450Z (there is a thread on this in Auto news) but a VQ32DETT at 550HP 350Z sounds awesome, Im curious about emissions as the Z tune was detuned from its 600+hp tune due to emissions.
 
Sounds great. I didn't know about the GTR coming to the States as Infiniti for sure, so I'm bit dissapointed. :D I just hope Nissan invest more in economy/entry models. Last couple generations of Sentras got their butt kicked by everybody, except Daewoos. If they don't take care of business with their mass models, they could get into the same kind of jam they were in in the 90's.
 
Aw... I didn't know they were really going to badge the new GT-R as an Infiniti. :indiff: How crappy.
 
I don't think the next GT-R will have over 550bhp, maybe 500 or 550 but I don't see it having 600 or more stock. It will be the flagship but that doesn't mean it will have stupid power levels. I don't think it would be agood move for Nissan to overpower it themselves, it would put the car up against some high level supercars and it won't shine against them, it will against 911's, maybe F430's ect but not the 600bhp+ crowd.
 
I'm really looking forward to the new GT-R. Though in my opinion they have ****ed up the whole "Skyline"-concept now cause it will have 400-450 bhp (Read that from a finnish car mag). The original 276 bhp was WAY better. But anyway I'd love to own one someday. Shame they release it in Europe in 2008.
What comes to the other two projects, well, they sound damn nice!
But no Nissan ever will beat the R32 GT-R. Propably the best car ever built.
 
This new car isn't a Skyline, and the old GT-R's never had 276bhp ;). I think 450 is where the power will probably be at and where it's best for the market, upping the power means it'll he head to head aginst faster cars, if they give it too much power I think it'll become a great car still, but nothing specail compared to other cars in the same power brakets.
 
live4speed
This new car isn't a Skyline, and the old GT-R's never had 276bhp ;). I think 450 is where the power will probably be at and where it's best for the market, upping the power means it'll he head to head aginst faster cars, if they give it too much power I think it'll become a great car still, but nothing specail compared to other cars in the same power brakets.
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The new car is practically an extension for the Skyline-series you know? And how much have GT-Rs had then? I was pretty sure it was 276 or 280 bhp.
 
No, Nissan have worked hard to seperate the two brands, the Nissan Skyline brand is now exclusively more luxury oriented coupe's and sedans and the GT-R is a proper sports car and will not share the name, body style or drive train with the Skyline range.

Officially the old GT-R as in R32, R33 and R34's have had 276bhp, that was due to the gentlemens agreement the Japanese auto makers had setup to prevent power wars and pollution, this argeement was stopped recently allowing the next wave of Japanese sportscars to compete with the rest of the world. If you bought an R34 GT-R and on the same day of purchase took it to be dyno tested and made no modifications to it at all you'd find depending on the weather and so on, the power would be around 330Bhp.
 
skylineGTR_guy
...any thoughts on this?
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Three ultra-high-performance cars released pretty much at the same time? I don't know, but that seems sort of odd, considering that they'll basically be competing with each other, just as you said.

Manufacturers don't like to compete with themselves. Generally, they try to compete with other manufacturers.

Nissan did not create the Infiniti line to compete with its Nissan line. I don't see this scenario coming true. It really doesn't make sense when you think about it. They might bump the 350Z to 4.5 and drop the 3.5 altogether, but I would think that's all they would do. Having a total of four sports cars (350Z, 450Z, 350 Turbo, GT-R) in their line is highly unlikely.

Hell, even the 450Z is really questionable considering the roaring success of the 350, and what is going to be happening soon to the price and availability of gas...

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EDIT: What was I thinking of? The four cars would not be "distinctly different" at all. They would, in fact, be all too similar to each other.

This ain't gonna happen, folks.
 
Ah no it's ok 👍.

And Zardoz that was the first thing I thought when I read the first post, mind you I've yet to see this info in any non-rumour form so thats all it might be.
 
Hiya! :D :O :lol: Meow! (='.'=)

These news really excite me about how Nissan is now trying to expand their market. :O I hate to say it, but I am starting to like Japanese cars more than American cars now that there are many good imports out there that can be tuned to high levels. The new GTR and 450Z will truley start the import era BIG time when they both get released.

Unfortunately, the GTR will pretty much be only available for those who have the income to get it. :nervous: Sadly, I would want it to be expensive like that and I don't want to explain why because it really isnt a good idea to start a war again...

I can't wait to own a GTR in the future! or a 450Z if my plans fall short. :nervous: :O
 
It's a nice idea to see so many powerful sportscars like this, but it doesn't make any sense that Nissan would create two other cars that would take sales away from the GT-R, especially a 4wd 450Z which I don't believe will happen. Nissan arn't going to compete with their flagship model, no manufacturer ever competes with themselves like that.

A source for the info would be nice or if anyone does find anything on this elsewhere.
 
No it's Nissan competing with their OWN flagship model, it's not a good business strategy.
 
live4speed
No it's Nissan competing with their OWN flagship model, it's not a good business strategy.
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I think its creating competition in a market that doesn't have alot of competition at the present. Creates more demand for any of them, IMO.
 
http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthr...8031602&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

see post #2

freshalloy is a very large nissan site with many many links to the automotive industry, I highly doubt their admins would be ones to start the rumor mill without some type of valid proof.

Keep in mind that this TTZ will only be 10% of production, so its not going to be as avaiable as you think, I'd be surprised if they arent all pre sold. The 450Z would take the main market share and be nissans main sports car (since the TT will be like a special edition not a mass production version) and infiniti will get the GTR, so it will be more like a G35/350Z of today.
 
TwinTurboJay
I think its creating competition in a market that doesn't have alot of competition at the present. Creates more demand for any of them, IMO.
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Creating a competing product for one of your own products does not increase demand for either product. It doesn't work that way.

Again, this whole thread is based on unfounded rumor and speculation. There is no solid info on either of the new models we're talking about.
 
Zardoz
Creating a competing product for one of your own products does not increase demand for either product. It doesn't work that way.

Again, this whole thread is based on unfounded rumor and speculation. There is no solid info on either of the new models we're talking about.
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+1

you guys are funny!
seriously, who comes up with these lies.
the principal of the Z is an affordable sports car.
the gtr will be their halo car.
nissan is still trying to get rid of their debt.
cutting funds for making 3 halo cars is business suicide.
probable truth value: less than 0.0001%


*next week, nissan makes R391 successor for no good reason :dunce:
 
Z32
+1

you guys are funny!
seriously, who comes up with these lies.
the principal of the Z is an affordable sports car.
the gtr will be their halo car.
nissan is still trying to get rid of their debt.
cutting funds for making 3 halo cars is business suicide.
probable truth value: less than 0.0001%


*next week, nissan makes R391 successor for no good reason :dunce:
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Agreed.
Whenever I need a good laugh, I'll just come to this thread. All of you talking about this nonsense about the Z are sucked in by lies.
 
skylineGTR_guy
Keep in mind that this TTZ will only be 10% of production, so its not going to be as avaiable as you think,
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10% seems like a pretty large number to me.
 
Z32
+1

you guys are funny!
seriously, who comes up with these lies.
the principal of the Z is an affordable sports car.
the gtr will be their halo car.
nissan is still trying to get rid of their debt.
cutting funds for making 3 halo cars is business suicide.
probable truth value: less than 0.0001%


*next week, nissan makes R391 successor for no good reason :dunce:
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Market strategy isn't that simple. And if you think Nissan doesn't like to compete with itself, what's up with the Altima and Maxima sharing engines and wheelbases (they used to be much further apart). And how about the Maxima vs. the G35 Sedan? Or the Infiniti G35 Coupe vs. the 350Z? Differences in price, trim and target markets keeps these vehicles competitive.

True, the principle of the Z is to create a simple and affordable sportscar, but, as Porsche has shown, you can extend that mission profile to cover quite a number of different trims based on one model. Like I said in the 450Z, Fake or Not argument... why not? They have the platform. They have the engine, which does fit into most platforms that take the VQ35DE. And by doing this, they tackle another market segment, totally different from the segment covered by the 350Z.

The likely difference in performance between a (now) 300hp 350Z and a 400hp 450Z is enormous. The 350Z hits the same market that goes for RX8s, TTs, and EVOs. The 450Z would be a stab at the Corvette, Viper, and (paradoxically) the Porsche market that the next GTR is to target. That 10% would not represent the current market segment of the Z... people who want a 300hp sportscar, but the Porsche-Corvette market segment.

Porsche is another of those makers that covers a lot of ground with cosmetically similar models that cater to a wide range of performance, comfort and exclusivity preferences.

If GTR volumes are kept low and prices are kept high, that extra exclusivity factor will ensure sales. And no, it won't cost too much to produce a 350Z, a 450Z and a GTR at the same time, as they will share a lot of componentry.

Interesting: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=108154

I think, though, that a VQ32DETT might not be possible. It could be a way to hit that 400hp market while meeting mileage and emissions targets, but I doubt it.

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AFAIK, Nissan's debt has LONG BEEN CLEARED. Nissan is now #2 in Japan, thanks to some cooking models (including the CR-V killer, the X-Trail... you Yanks deserve to get this car!), cost cutting and sound business strategy. It's so far from the dying Nissan of the 90's, it gives one hope that Mitsubishi will live through its current troubles.
 
niky
...450Z...They have the platform. They have the engine...
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Hmmm. Well, I suppose that one could happen, maybe. But the 350TT really would be a direct competitor to it, so forget that.

We'll see.
 
niky
AFAIK, Nissan's debt has LONG BEEN CLEARED. Nissan is now #2 in Japan, thanks to some cooking models (including the CR-V killer, the X-Trail... you Yanks deserve to get this car!), cost cutting and sound business strategy. It's so far from the dying Nissan of the 90's, it gives one hope that Mitsubishi will live through its current troubles.
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I thought Nissan was behind Honda? But if Nissan made a comeback to the #2 spot, I'm very glad. Props to Renault for rescuing Nissan. :)
 
live4speed
It's a nice idea to see so many powerful sportscars like this, but it doesn't make any sense that Nissan would create two other cars that would take sales away from the GT-R, especially a 4wd 450Z which I don't believe will happen..
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That would be rather weird really. And as the 450Z is supposed to be 4wd and the GT-R might be 4wd also. I don't see the idea behind producing two high-powered 4wd cars at almost the same time. :confused:
 
I've been saying they should do a 450Z for a while myself. I hope it doesn't turn out to be AWD, though, as that'd just make it a two-seat GT-R, for all intents and purposes. I'd love to see an uprated VK45DD running RWD in a Z, though. It makes sense, too, as the Z's role was "powerful, 2 seat, RWD", when the GT-R was "powerful, AWD, 2+2".
 

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