1.06 Made Me a Worse Driver.

Discussion in 'Gran Turismo Sport' started by Deko Wolf-GTPT, Dec 3, 2017.

  1. Deko Wolf-GTPT

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    I'm having a very peculiar experience with the new update, and thus far, it seems I'm the only one having it.

    Based on feedback from several players, across the forums and social media, it seems now cars have more grip, everyone is posting faster times, and overall the car is much easier to drive. Well, I'm having the exact opposite happening to me.

    Before this update I never felt driving the car was hard. I felt comfortable and was doing consistent lap times. I wasn't fast and nowhere near the top 10. But it never felt like it was difficult, I never struggled, and most certainly never wished for dramatic changes.

    Now, I find it so much harder to control the car. Where's this magical sticky grip that everyone is talking about?
    Traction control might aswell be off, its activation seems random. Throttle feels more like an ON/OFF switch, and I can no longer exit corner smoothly. But worst of all is the turning radius. Corners that used to require a 45 degree wheel turn now have become a 90 degree turn. Chicanes and slower corners are now forcing me to go 180 degrees, sometimes more. This happens while driving with the Logitech G29. On the controller the turning has become so sensitive and twitchy that I find it impossible drive in a straight line.

    I'm not complaining about other drivers now being much faster than me thanks to the new update. That's not the issue here. I'm just finding it extremely hard to cope with this new handling system, and its negative effects on my driving. And as a result I've gone from doing consistent lap times and racing everyday, to not racing at all since the release of the update.

    Was hoping for some feedback from you guys, so that I can at least understand what's happening and be able to move on from this.
     
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  2. GTFraker

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    What settings do you use on your G29? I have my sensitivity at 7, it helps but it doesn't mean that you won't need to turn the wheel much anymore. The grip is there, I suggest you turn off all the assists barring ABS and give it a shot, you will be surprised.
     
  3. fordlaser

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    I am using a G29, to me the wheel feels a lot better for handling after the last update.
     
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  4. Deko Wolf-GTPT

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    I've been using the default settings on my wheel, except for button mapping. All driving assists are off except for minimum ABS.
    Traction control is necessary because as I mentioned, the accelerator pedal feedback isn't great. It really is all or nothing. The car throttle reaction isn't the same as the physical pedal that I'm pressing.

    Pressing the pedal just a little bit does nothing in the game. Pressing it further gives me more than half throttle in the game. This is why I need traction control.
    Having if off (even before the update) provides random levels of grip on corner exists.

    Perhaps I'm encountering a glitch unique to my combination of car and settings? I shouldn't have to turn the wheel more than 180 degrees to negotiate the last last chicane of Suzuka. I feel like I'm experiencing understeer on every single corner, regardless of car or tyre combination.
     
  5. cleanLX

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    i agree on the understeer.
    In GT5/6 and pre update 1.06 i could drive pretty much any car and have even tire wear (f/r) at the end of a session... with 1.06 everything I've driven wears the fronts more than the rears.
    They changed more than just "grip".
    If they would let us adjust the diff, spring rate and roll bars we could easily dial this out.
     
  6. GTFraker

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    You sure you don't have a defective pedal? I just clawed my way from 14th to 6th in a Vantage Gr.3 with zero TCS in Nurb GP the other night. I also have learned that TCS at the 1 value makes the car begave worse than having it off. If you want to have traction control put it at either 2 or 3.
     
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  7. Mt. Lynx

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    I don’t know if it’s a thing on G29, but on G25 it was possible to change the lock-to-lock degrees. To me it sounds like such an issue.
     
  8. Deko Wolf-GTPT

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    It's possible I have a defective pedal. I'll try to pay more attention to when using it in other games.
    As for traction control, whenever I use it, I use it on level 3. I find it dawting to have it off, but I will also try it in other games.

    I didn't have this issue prior to the update, and the wheel turning behaves normally in other games.
     
  9. FazerT

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    I agree. I found that TCS makes the throttle feel sluggish as the TCS is handling the power delivery. I don't use it anymore.
    Although when I occasionally spin out I wish I had lol
     
  10. FazerT

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    I have a G29 and I can't think of any corner that requires 180 rotation. In fact if you turned the wheel that far the wheels would be over-steering like crazy and the car would feel like it under-steer, drifting out as the tyres cant hold the line you're pointing the tyres at.

    Either you have a faulty wheel or (please don't take this the wrong way) you may need to adjust your line/throttle/brake points. Trail brake and feather the throttle more.
    There's a young streamer Erickgtr3123 who uses a G29 and is seriously fast. check his channel if you want to see what the wheel is capable of and you can see how little he moves the wheel too.

    Hope you get it sorted, I know how frustrating these things can be. It can drive you crazy!
     
  11. Deko Wolf-GTPT

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    My point exactly.

    The car is not over steering though. Watching the replay and from different camera angles there's no visual indication of that happening. It feels like I need to turn more than I should have.

    I'm open to advice and criticism of my driving style. :)
    I didn't have this issue prior to the update. I would understand if I had to make some adjustments to my driving style, but this goes beyond that. I'm having the complete opposite experience where I found it easier to drive before the update.
     
  12. FazerT

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    I have experienced my wheel feeling "heavy" once or twice and I unplugged the usb and back in and the hit the PS button again to use it and it went back to normal. A bit like "turn it off and on an technique. A bit simplistic but I guess you already did that. Also, when you change the settings in the standard options for force feedback sensitivity/ Max Torque, do they make a difference i.e. are they effecting the wheel correctly as you would expect. Just to show the game is talking to the wheel correctly. Also, and I don't know if this is meant to be, but when I altered the controller sensitivity setting (the one above the wheel settings) it altered the feel of the wheel ?! Worth a play
     
  13. FerrellJ

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    What you are describing is consistent with what myself and others have found in that pedal interpolation is not linear in Sport as it has been in previous GT's. As long as your input readout is smooth and not spiking or jittering, there's nothing wrong with your specific pedal- the problem is with the game.
     
  14. Majado

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    We were discussing that on another thread yesterday. TCs is definitely not working as before. Gr3 cars are much more twitchy out of corners (like tcs was off). If you do not hit the gas smoothly, the car will slide.

    I'm not a top 10 alien, but not a bad driver either (DR B/SR S). For Gr3 cars I use TCs on 2 because I don't have a very good throttle control. I'm ok with the trade off (better slower than spinning all the time). But after 1.06, I'm having a bad time trying to control the cars. Still looking for that super grip people are talking :boggled:
     
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  15. Latosius

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    Finally, I thought I was going mad... TC 1 does behave worse than no TC, it steps in then lets off completely making it unpredictable, it’s either 0 or 2 if you must use Tc.
     
  16. fordlaser

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    180 degrees to negotiate the last last chicane of Suzuka, I don't have that problem at that last chicane.
    If you get understeer at every corner, that means that you are going to fast in that corner.
     
  17. nascarfan1400

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    Im in the same boat, but im on controller
     
  18. BSDShoes

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    Using a TMX (via Drivehub) and i'm actually doing better after 1.06 for some reason. I don't use ABS/TCS.
     
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  19. Tristan Jones

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    Thats it! I think TCS has everything to do with it, I hadn't been able to place it. I had been practising for a league race (thanks @hatfield at Race on Oz) when the update hit, so I had done many laps on Maggiore in the Porsche RSR before and after update - and the first lap after the update I knew something was very different. Having read the update notes, I figured this was the physics update that was mentioned. I then read the magical grip posts and started to wonder what am I doing so different? TCS is one of the last assists I use, on the excuse that some real cars now use a modern version of it. Maybe time to start playing with it again!

    Interestingly, I experimented with the difference in lap times for RH RM and RSS, I do save a few sconds per lap with the softter tyres, so more grip really can help. Heres hoping for more Sport mode races with tyre wear!

    I currently use TCS 3, and occasionaly test lower, but the increase in spins has probably caused me to back off more than push, and I don't see any increase in times. Perhaps I'll get there eventually, maybe on my next league race I will try setting TCS at 0 or 2 from the start. The slow corners are of course the ones with the biggest effect, our next race at Dragon Trail has a couple of these!
     
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  20. zaxs

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    Sharing the same pain!
    After I became constant in driving without any assists, now I can't find pace, not even two good qualifying laps in row.
    Even more sad is fact that today I had 3.5s faster time on Nurb GP with TCS 2 and ABS normal then without using them...
    In FM7 everything became so natural, and now I can't imagine driving with some assist (except clutch) - saying that bcs in about same time I started to drive without ABS and any TCS in both games, all the time.

    So, here is case where is ABS off/TCS 0 worst option then before update.

    Driving with DS4 now reminds me on first pCARS, it's almost same level of destroying driving pleasure.
     
  21. Kobhalt

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    Im using a DS4 too and im very upset about the steering wheels animation, it's so bad with 1.06 that im devolved even with my favourite car.
    Previous animation was perfect and i felt so real! plus it was helpfull to feel the lost of traction/grip.
    Bring it back PD!
     
  22. Deko Wolf-GTPT

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    Right, guys, I've conducted some tests and I've reached a conclusion.

    The wheel never felt heavy, it felt loose, like it wasn't connected to the steering column properly.
    I guess what I experienced was a momentary glitch, because it hasn't happened again.

    Strangely enough this actually helped! I left the force feedback on the default levels, but this has actually helped translating my inputs into the game smoother.

    It seems traction control behave differently now. When it's completely off my pedal responds very precisely to my inputs. However, the greater the value, the more vague my inputs become. Even tracion control level 5 requires me to be smooth with the pedal. I've settled for level 3, but eventually Iplan on having it completely off as I improve my pedal inputs.

    The thing is, I wasn't understeering. I haven't played the game since the update, and now, going back, this situation hasn't happened again (yet). I have no problems admitting my driving flaws. I know when I make mistakes and I own up to them. I believe I may have encounter some minnor temporary glitch at that time.

    I have tested with the controller, and although I find hard to drive the car smoothly, I do feel more grip as opposed to the wheel. But, on the other side, I can be smoother with the wheel, hence, the grip levels are the same.
    Perhaps the controller feels more hectic because the system is giving controller driver some sort of invisible assists to compensate for the gap between wheel and controller drivers.

    So, to resume everything:
    My pedal is not faulty. The response is there in other games. It's just in GT Sport behaves slightly differently. Having Traction Control switched off helps with the inputs, but I lack the skill to be smooth with it all the time, hence why I need Traction Control on. I've settled for level 3 but intend to reduce it as I get better.

    The excessive oversteer I was experiencing might have been a temporary glitch because it hasn't happened again since. Even with the same car, track and race conditions.

    This magical grip that most people are mentioning, is there. However, it's hard to notice because controller steering inputs aren't smooth. As for wheel users, the struggle comes from traction control linked to throttle responce inputs.

    I am now slightly more confident with the new handling system than before. I believe we must all forget the previous system and adapt to this new one. Braking points have changed, approaches to the apex have to be precise, and throttle inputs need to be less linear.
     
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