'12 Civic LX coupe vs Elantra GLS Sedan

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Should I lease the 2012 Civic LX coupe or 2013 Hyundai Elantra GLS Sedan?

Both are auto and about the same price for a 2 yr lease. I haven't checked out the Ford focus yet... hmmmm Any ideas? I just need a car for a couple yrs to get to work and back till I can afford something nice.
 
The Civic shouldn't even be on your list of options unless you need something bottom-dollar. The other cars are generally better, Corolla aside. Kia will be offering a brand new Forte later this year also.

Why are you going with such a short lease? Do you prefer to switch it up often? You could probably save a lot of money in the long run with Hyundai's 10-year warranty.
 
The Elantra is a very, very nice car, but it's completely soulless to drive (my family owns one, and I've driven it). The Civic is one of the worst cars in its class. If you want something fun, the Mazda3 Skyactiv will get better mileage than both and will be quite fun to drive.
 
It would be worth checking out the Focus, it's a pretty good car now that they worked the bugs out of it. You can get an SE Sedan for pretty cheap and it have pretty good fuel economy. Right now I'm averaging 35mpg with mostly suburban driving. I can push it over 40mpg on the highway.
 
I agree that the Focus is probably the best overall car while the Mazda 3 is a fun driver. I've got a lot of time in the Mazda 3 and I love them.
 
Is there an option for neither?

Let's be honest, the Civic is probably the worst on the market right now. After the completely botched 2012 introduction, and the rather minimal 2013 redesign, there are so few redeeming qualities about the car that I wouldn't recommend it to anyone outside of those who want it for basic transportation. While there are certainly redeemable qualities about that, it doesn't make it a "good car" by any sense of measure. Unless Honda is giving you an outrageously good deal on one, I'd stay away.

As for the Hyundai, I'd consider it to be the better of the two, but that really isn't saying much. The Hyundai is basic transportation, and that's really about it. It looks decent inside and out, it's quiet, and they're made to be taken from point A to point B. The 1.6L is pretty underwhelming, and you're stuck with automatic transmissions. It's the variants of the Elantra that are more interesting, in particular the GT, which benefits from some fairly reasonable sporting modifications.


If you're shopping in the C-Segment, the best options really depend on where your preferences lie. If you're dead-set on fuel economy, almost every brand offers an "Eco Model" of sorts to get those highway numbers above 40 MPG. For practicality, there are a good number of wagons and hatchbacks that make halfway decent choices as well.

My general opinion of the market right now is that the Japanese have really been caught off-guard when it comes to cars these size, the Civic and Corolla in particular. They look and feel at least a generation behind most of the competition, and it is pretty strange to think about how much better the Sentra is, when even it lags behind the others. The money really is on the Americans and the Koreans, in particular the offerings from Ford, General Motors and Kia. By most sense of measure, the Ford Focus, Chevrolet Cruze and Kia Forte are leagues ahead of the competition when it comes to driving dynamics, quality, performance, and value.

...But even then, it leaves out some fantastic alternatives. The Dodge Dart has had a really slow start, but I still maintain that it's one of the better cars in the segment. They look and feel great, and in the right trim, can be quite the car when compared to a Focus. The Subaru Impreza is probably my favorite in the segment despite it being the most convoluted. The greatly improved fuel economy can only be managed with the CVT, and prices are generally a notch or to higher than the competition. If you're on a tight budget, no bueno.

So, the way I'd go if I were buying one, tomorrow:

  • Ford Focus SE: Basic trim includes some goodies, the standard 2.0L is more than adequate. Although PowerShift has been improved, I'd opt for the manual gearbox. All of that, and Ford Sync is pretty rad.
  • Chevrolet Cruze Eco: Give or take, it's the one to get. Great fuel economy, a bit lighter, a little more fun to drive. The interior is showing it's age, but it is still a fantastic car for the money.
  • Subaru Impreza 2.0i Sport Premium: It's the only model in the Impreza line I'd consider "acceptable." Dark wheels, paddle shifters with the CVT, a good bit of kit. But, it's expensive, and if you're in an area with a lot of snow, it'd be worth it.
  • 2014 Kia Forte: What a pleasant surprise. Cheap, well-equipped, really high quality materials... I haven't driven one yet, but things looked great at the Chicago Auto Show

But, in all honesty, the great vehicles are in the B-Segment. Between the Chevrolet Sonic, Ford Fiesta, Honda Fit Sport, Mazda 2, Toyota Prius C, and Kia Rio, the competition is very hot. The value is much higher with these vehicles, and the size disparity isn't all that great. And in that group, it's the Honda and the Chevrolet that get the nod.
 
By most sense of measure, the Ford Focus, Chevrolet Cruze and Kia Forte are leagues ahead of the competition when it comes to driving dynamics, quality, performance, and value.
The Civic and Corolla are nothing special, but the Cruze might be worse. Cheap interior, unremarkable ride, the other Korean options (Elantra and Forte) are far far better.
 
Mazda3 and Focus are best in segment, IMO. I prefer the Mazda because it is a little less star-trek on the inside and more fun to drive, but the Focus is very nice. My brother just bought a new Focus, although his is the top-spec ST so it's hard to compare it to a standard model.
 
But, in all honesty, the great vehicles are in the B-Segment. Between the Chevrolet Sonic, Ford Fiesta, Honda Fit Sport, Mazda 2, Toyota Prius C, and Kia Rio, the competition is very hot. The value is much higher with these vehicles, and the size disparity isn't all that great. And in that group, it's the Honda and the Chevrolet that get the nod.

I've not driven the Fit yet from that group (and the UK gets a different one anyway) but it lags a bit on gas mileage compared to the best these days.

I'm led to believe the Sonic is very good.

The Fiesta is very good, particularly in 1.0 Ecoboost spec (due in the US soon, I believe, if not now), which I drove not so long ago. Took me by surprise actually - I'm not overly keen on the current Focus (feels a bit lazy compared to older ones) but the Fiesta is every bit as good as people say it is - great steering, good ride/handling, responsive controls etc. Still looks like the dog's dinner but it drives perfectly.

The Mazda 2 is nice but getting old now. I really like the Kia Rio - it's probably the most spacious of all those (size-wise it seems more like a cross between B and C-segment cars) and is more refined. Looks good too.

I'd echo your thoughts though. I'm not keen on the Focus from the next class up, and although America seems to love the Mazda3, I've got one in on test at the moment and I'm finding it a bit underwhelming. The steering feels like a videogame with the force feedback turned off. Feels well-built, though.
 
Mazda for the win!...They have Zoom Zoom..:dunce:

Seriously though, Mazda makes great cars and plenty of Mazdaspeed goodies to upgrade with in the future.:bowdown:
 
I've not driven the Fit yet from that group (and the UK gets a different one anyway) but it lags a bit on gas mileage compared to the best these days.

I'm led to believe the Sonic is very good.

The Fiesta is very good, particularly in 1.0 Ecoboost spec (due in the US soon, I believe, if not now), which I drove not so long ago. Took me by surprise actually - I'm not overly keen on the current Focus (feels a bit lazy compared to older ones) but the Fiesta is every bit as good as people say it is - great steering, good ride/handling, responsive controls etc. Still looks like the dog's dinner but it drives perfectly.

The Mazda 2 is nice but getting old now. I really like the Kia Rio - it's probably the most spacious of all those (size-wise it seems more like a cross between B and C-segment cars) and is more refined. Looks good too.

I'd echo your thoughts though. I'm not keen on the Focus from the next class up, and although America seems to love the Mazda3, I've got one in on test at the moment and I'm finding it a bit underwhelming. The steering feels like a videogame with the force feedback turned off. Feels well-built, though.

The Fit gets better mileage then they claim, we typically get 40 MPG highway, and around 28 city. The Rio is okay, but I've heard that it isn't nearly as refined as some of the other cars in the segment. And we get a slightly different Fiesta, so it's softer and a bit heavier. An American version, if you will.

Oh and one more thing, the Rio has an odd driving position IIRC.

One more one more thing, this is a good article.
 
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The Fit gets better mileage then they claim, we typically get 40 MPG highway, and around 28 city. The Rio is okay, but I've heard that it isn't nearly as refined as some of the other cars in the segment. And we get a slightly different Fiesta, so it's softer and a bit heavier. An American version, if you will.

Oh and one more thing, the Rio has an odd driving position IIRC.

Dunno about the Rio's engine refinement, but the rest of the car feels more "grown up" than others in the segment I've driven, partly as it's a physically larger car. Didn't notice any issues with the driving position, though naturally this will vary from person to person.
 
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