2008 Ford Explorer America Concept: Press Debut Video

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For more than a decade the Ford Explorer was the top-selling SUV in the US with annual sales topping 400,000 units for many years. The best days of the body-on-frame SUV are clearly behind it, though, as the market has shifted toward crossovers like the smaller Escape and Honda CR-V, as well as larger vehicles like the Ford Edge. Ford has seen the light and the next generation Explorer is finally abandoning the traditional setup in favor of a new unit body design.

The new Explorer America concept that Ford is debuting at the 2008 Detroit Auto Show is the first public hint of where the Explorer is going in the coming years. When the Explorer is replaced around the end of this decade, the new model is expected to look much like this concept. The basic proportions and size are very close to the current Explorer, but the styling is a more modern look for this Ford stalwart. The combination of rising fuel costs and new fuel economy rules is pushing Ford to increase the efficiency of all their vehicles including the next generation Explorer.

With an emphasis on cost-effective ways of reducing fuel consumption, Ford is focusing on trimming vehicle weight as one means to that end. Ford's holistic approach to weight savings involves looking at all the systems in the vehicle. For example, the new SUV will drop the current engine lineup of the old 4.0L V6 and 4.6L V8 in favor of new EcoBoost gasoline turbocharged direct injection units (GTDI). The new lineup will consist of a 2.0L GTDI four cylinder with 275hp and 280lb-ft of torque and a 3.5L V6 with 340hp and 340lb-ft. In both cases the engines offer more power than the current units and fuel efficiency improvements of 30% and 20% respectively.

The V6 version of the new concept also weighs in at 150lbs less than the current V-8 model, which helps both the vehicle dynamics and overall fuel efficiency. What Ford is now calling the EcoBoost engines first appeared at last year's show in the Lincoln MKR concept as the TwinForce V6. That name has been retired in order to put the emphasis on the fuel efficiency-boosting potential of the technology. More gains come courtesy of the smoother body which, combined with reductions in parasitic losses from systems like the electric power assist, gives a five percent mileage boost.

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On this concept, Ford is also trying out some interior packaging innovations as well. The first and second row seats are mounted on arms cantilevered from a rail mounted on the side of the center tunnel. With no seat mounting mechanism attached to the floor, a switch allows the second row seats to motor forward and stack beneath the front seats, providing easy access to the back row.

The sliding door on the passenger side and absent B-pillar are probably concept-only features that will never get to production. The integrated, matte finished three bar grille does look like an sensible evolution of the corporate face for a new decade. The concept has a bit of a chopped look to the roof profile giving a more aggressive look to the whole vehicle. Now that the Explorer will have a unibody layout with a lower floor, such a roof profile is certainly feasible without sacrificing interior volume.

Overall, the concept is an attractive update of a traditional shape with a lot of neat features and a fantastic new drivetrain. The base four-cylinder EcoBoost engine provides an additional 75hp and 25lb-ft of torque (with a much fatter, flatter torque curve to boot) with a 5mpg improvement over the current truck's base engine. The sooner Ford puts the old Explorer out to pasture the better. The new Explorer should turn up before the end of the decade. It better get here before there's no one left who wants to buy one.

This, right here, is what crossovers with a point should be like in the coming weeks, months and years.

But, is this enough to convince people that some SUVs are still worth the money?
 
But, is this enough to convince people that some SUVs are still worth the money?

I don't think people will will need convincing of that any time soon. Right now the question is whether the money is worth the SUV. I don't think this thing is going to do it. They'll be needing more than a 5 mpg boost. 19/25 is not going to be adequate in a few years.
 
In a few years, no, but bringing that up from the current 13/19 is pretty stellar if you ask me. Actually, there are mid-size cars that don't even get 19/25 overall. As long as this "truck" performs well enough (ie, carrying the kids and their crap), I see no reason why it can't continue to be one of the better-selling vehicles in the US.
 
The thing is, the Explorer has ballooned to that size where it's not big enough, yet too big. I'm sure going uinbody will help, but I don't know how much. It'd be great if this vehicle spawns a GM-like Revolution at Ford. If not...well, let's hope the Mustang does.

(It STILL isn't a Mondeo, Focus II, or Fiesta.)

Those engines, though...PLEASE, IF YOU OFFER THEM IN YOUR CARS, WE WILL BEAT A PATH IN A BEELINE TO OUR NEAREST DEALERSHIP'S DOOR. That 2.0 sounds like a modern RS500 Cosworth mill. In fact, I'd be tempted to say it's the engine for the Focus RS.
 
Did I mention that those engines are eventually supposed to make their way into 85% (or more) of the Ford lineup? It was in there, right? Thats what I recall reading on GMI...

A proper Focus with an engine such as that would be nothing short of magnificent. Hell, the Fusion with an AWD setup and the same amount of power? Yes please!

People want a Revolution, and its pretty clear that Ford is willing to offer it with setups like these.

GM, Chrysler, its your turn now...
 
Visibility is gone, dude. If you want to see out of a car you're going to have to buy something old.
 
A proper Focus with an engine such as that would be nothing short of magnificent. Hell, the Fusion with an AWD setup and the same amount of power? Yes please!

I'll take the Fusion, but disconnect my front wheels, I'd like some RS500 2WD action, please...The Focus can get that 4wd and a bigger Turbo, and frighten EvoSTIs.

On the Explorer itsself: It's a little super-duty-ish for my tastes, but I'd love to see what Kinetic design would to to it. granted, it'll be toned down by the time it comes to market.
 
A proper Focus with an engine such as that would be nothing short of magnificent. Hell, the Fusion with an AWD setup and the same amount of power? Yes please!

I would hope they offer it with AWD of develop a RWD platform. That amount of power would be quite frightening only being let out through the fronts.:sick:

GM, Chrysler, its your turn now...

Didn't GM already go through what you are asking? With the Zetas and Saturns and Malibu?
 
I was referring to the engines (small turbos and such), but yes, you could easily argue that the platforms and quality increases are what is spurring Ford to play catch-up.

I've love to see a small-turbo I4 in a Malibu or hell, even the next Impala. That V6 may be close to being matched by GM as well... Word is that they're adding DIG to the LY7 found in the crossovers, good for roughly 350 BHP.
 
I was referring to the engines (small turbos and such), but yes, you could easily argue that the platforms and quality increases are what is spurring Ford to play catch-up.

Ah yes. Makes sense now.👍

I've love to see a small-turbo I4 in a Malibu or hell, even the next Impala. That V6 may be close to being matched by GM as well... Word is that they're adding DIG to the LY7 found in the crossovers, good for roughly 350 BHP.

I have to question that 2.0T they have going there. Is it going to be that reliable, because they have to be running quite a bit of boost to get that much extra power. Might it end up horrendously laggy? Surely they are getting over 100 horsepower from the turbo boost.
 
I don't know? what do the rally twins run? 2.5s? this mill can't be far behind.
 
They're gaining a little over 100 BHP if that 2.0L design is related to what they have had before. Presuming that the direct-injection has the regular 20% increase in power, we're looking at a nominal 50-60 BHP boost. Pretty easy on a low-boost setup.

I would wonder if they're using a variable-geometry turbo, but that seems highly unlikely for Ford. We'll see, though. They're going to have to make engines like this to better get into these new EPA figures, thats for sure...
 
They're gaining a little over 100 BHP if that 2.0L design is related to what they have had before. Presuming that the direct-injection has the regular 20% increase in power, we're looking at a nominal 50-60 BHP boost. Pretty easy on a low-boost setup.

That sounds like a pretty good motor, considering that if you are right they are producing more without the boost added than the VAG 2.0T does with the turbo.
 
The "base" version of the 2.0 TFSI found in your GTI, a 2.0 FSI, makes about 150 BHP. So its not a huge increase, but its enough to keep things working properly.

Small turbos are probably some of the most-viable ways to make decent power at a decent price. I would think that Chrysler would have some way to do it given their relationships with Mitsubishi and Hyundai... Maybe not. I don't know...
 
S.......Saren?










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I found who's been pinning the baby eating on the Focus!


I like the Idea of a turbo I4. They're finally getting it!
 
The "base" version of the 2.0 TFSI found in your GTI, a 2.0 FSI, makes about 150 BHP. So its not a huge increase, but its enough to keep things working properly.

But that means Ford is probably pumping out 210-220 hp with the base motor no turbo which is quite impressive.
 
Hey, they can still bring back the Explorer Coupe. I really want that to happen. Seriously...
 

I do believe this is a fail.

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Anyways I like the way Ford is going with the smaller engines, at least someone gets it. I never thought I would be saying that about Ford though. Guess they are trying.
 
At least in my book, trying counts for more than "oh God, we need another new car? How much money do we have left?" attitude from Chrysler...
 
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