2011 Mansory BMW X6 M

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Whether you dislike the stick the X6 gets for not being good off road or not, it's still an off-road vehicle. A rose by any other name.

Here's a good general clue:

Have a look in any car buyers guide. Where does the X6 appear? Certainly not in the coupe section.

Edit: The other clue. BMW's site. The very first picture visible on the X6 page. Doesn't appear to be parked "on road". So yes, even their marketing suggests it's an off-roader.
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This is going to end up just getting circular (I suspect we're both filling in the time between BTCC races!), but one picture of the X6 on dirt is far outweighed by BMW's literature, in which the huge majority of the photos and videos are on tarmac, and most of the words relating to driving dynamics, rather than off-road capability.. --- we could also consider the Lamborghini commercial for the Aventador which features this 4×4 vehicle..... not on the road!!! :crazy: .. or you could have a look at official BMW videos which feature the X6 on snow, but of course, they demonstrate that the X6 is actually alright off-road so long as you're not a 51 year old, tallish, fatish bloke, from Chipping Norton, with summer road tyres (probably run-flats) on your X6.

It seems we're not going to change each others minds... either way, I think we can both agree that all Mansory stuff should be killed with fire.
 
homeforsummer
Edit: The other clue. BMW's site. The very first picture visible on the X6 page. Doesn't appear to be parked "on road". So yes, even their marketing suggests it's an off-roader.
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Reminds me of this PR shot by Volvo :p
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Anyway, that picture on BMW's website doesn't really seem like offroad to me. The car isn't covered in mud or climbing rocks. It could just be a "parking lot" on a desolate Nevada highway, and I have yet to see any marketing from BMW that slightly suggest the X6 as being an offroader. Likewise, I am tired of people moaning about "useless" BMW models, especially the X6 and 5 GT. One car magazine here labeled the 5 GT "Lemon of the Year" because they thought the idea of it was pointless. Although they did say it was one of the best handling cars they had ever driven and the interior was superb :boggled:

The X6 is also taking a lot of hate, and I can't figure out why. It's a brilliant car, it handles great, it's economic (mostly :p) and it looks great, if you ask me. It also seems like the people who hate it are far outnumbered. BMW sell X6s by the truckload, and way faster than they can supply them. This old idea that SUV = offroader needs to be killed off. People who buy Infiniti QX never go off the road, nor do people in Escalades and Suburbans. There's a reason why 4WD is optional on most luxury SUVs.
 
Mark II Blit
Although they did say it was one of the best handling cars they had ever driven and the interior was superb :boggled:
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Can't argue with the interior thing but every car mag I've read has panned the 5GT's handling. Was the first car in the rapidly developing line of BMWs that has moved away from outright handling towards comfort, which for BMW fans isn't necessarily a good thing.

It also seems like the people who hate it are far outnumbered. BMW sell X6s by the truckload, and way faster than they can supply them.
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Lesson in business: A product doesn't necessarily have to be great to be popular. Nor popular to be great.

Evidence: Mk4 Ford Escort. One of the biggest piles ever to hit the road, yet it was the best selling car in the UK every single year it was on sale. Evidence of the opposite: Citroen C6. Best Citroen in 40 years. How many of them do you see? Sod all, that's how many :p

As I said before: People don't buy an X6 because it's a good car, they buy it because it looks "tough" and has a BMW roundel on the bonnet.

As far as sales go, someone posted a chart of BMW sales a month or two back. The X6 certainly wasn't one of the high sellers, and was a fair way behind the X5 I seem to remember, which we all know is an X6 with more space for less money and that doesn't look like it's had a stroke.
 
homeforsummer
People don't buy an X6 because it's a good car, they buy it because it looks "tough" and has a BMW roundel on the bonnet.
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Your brain would have bought a BMW 520d Touring, but you choose an X6 because you love it.

As far as sales go, someone posted a chart of BMW sales a month or two back. The X6 certainly wasn't one of the high sellers, and was a fair way behind the X5 I seem to remember, which we all know is an X6 with more space for less money and that doesn't look like it's had a stroke.
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By "truckloads" I didn't mean they were selling hundreds of thousands of them. But the sales exceeded BMWs estimates to such a degree they're in short supply in key markets, and they sales numbers are impressive, considering this is a very unique niche car.

Can't argue with the interior thing but every car mag I've read has panned the 5GT's handling. Was the first car in the rapidly developing line of BMWs that has moved away from outright handling towards comfort, which for BMW fans isn't necessarily a good thing.
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The magazine highly praised the 5 GT for its handling, which is an indisputable fact. Perhaps it's because we Danes can be quite daft at times that they praised it :p
 
homeforsummer
As far as sales go, someone posted a chart of BMW sales a month or two back. The X6 certainly wasn't one of the high sellers, and was a fair way behind the X5 I seem to remember, which we all know is an X6 with more space for less money and that doesn't look like it's had a stroke.
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Must have been some kind of really sad BMW fan boy with too much time on his hands to go through and collate all them sales figures..

.. oh wait it was me, in the 5GT: Miserable Failure thread

My hosting is down at the moment, so I can't repost, but yes the X6 sold around half the number of units that the X5 did, but for the last period in question (2010), globally, it did sell more than the X3, 3 series coupe and convertible, 1 series 3 door, coupe and convertible, Z4 roadster, and both versions of the 6 series.
 
While the X6 is not bought for off road and not marketed as a one, it is an SUV. It's road manners are hampered by this. It may be a great handling SUV, but it falls short of a car. I understand the argument that they are not bought for off road use and that by design, they will always stay on tarmac. But then why does it have 4wd and why is it raised? This is counter productive for a road only vehicle. It is not as good as it could have been because of the 'off road elements' that have been added.

So it is only bought for it's imposing nature and the badge. Maybe the extra interior space is a good reason for it, but then the 5GT does this better.

Liking the X6 is ok, it's an opinion and we all have them. I just fail to see the point of a car that is compromised by aspects that detract from on road ability, but doesn't add enough off road ability. I also think it looks like a squashed X5 which doesn't help.

It's not just the X6 though, I dislike all SUV's. I do like the 'proper' Range Rover, because there is no pretence of sportiness to it.

I don't want to cause arguments about this, each to their own. But I like cars that fulfill their role to the best of their abilities. The X6 is too compromised for me in all ways.
 
Honestly, I'd like to see MORE cars that are fast on rough terrain, stuff like the F-150 Raptor. I think that's a bit more impressive than lowering and sticking huge wheels surrounded by rubberbands on an SUV. That X3 CC Dakar is badass. Why can't THAT be an inspiration for SUV performance?

I mean, the old Bronco was almost BUILT for desert racing.
 
Jim Prower
Honestly, I'd like to see MORE cars that are fast on rough terrain, stuff like the F-150 Raptor. I think that's a bit more impressive than lowering and sticking huge wheels surrounded by rubberbands on an SUV. That X3 CC Dakar is badass. Why can't THAT be an inspiration for SUV performance?

I mean, the old Bronco was almost BUILT for desert racing.
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:D I would love BMW to build a crazy-mad-nutter-****** off roader, for sale to the general public, M is supposed to stand for Motorsport, and with "Factory" built Dakar X3's and X5's they've had some success, so why not a nuts version for the general public!.. since thats never going to happen.. it's LR Defender or Bowler Wildcat all the way for me!
 
On the SUV/SAV debate.

We've been running a local "Car of the Year" contest for the past several years, and the debate always comes up when it comes time to recategorize, as cars go up in size every year.

Basically, all unibody crossovers are lumped together, and all body-on-frame off-roaders are lumped together. Except where the unibody car was built as an off-roader first-and-foremost (the LR4 comes to mind... we had that last year).

BMW has made no bones about the X5 and X6 being soft-roaders. That's why they coined the term "SAV" and "SAC" for the two. They compete where they know their strengths lie.

And their strength right now seems in selling cars in every imaginable sub-sub-sub-niche. Ugh. At least the new X3 isn't completely useless, anymore, since they increased interior space. Now they have the X1 for people who want a useless soft-roader.

The X6? Of course it's useful. Carries four golfing buddies and their clubs or four thugs and three or four dead bodies in perfect comfort. Fast, too. :D
 
niky
The X6? Of course it's useful. Carries four golfing buddies and their clubs or four thugs and three or four dead bodies in perfect comfort. Fast, too. :D
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As long as the bodies fit nicely. 👍
 
The X6 is useful, but there are cars that are more useful, look and drive better, cost less and don't make you look like a 'less that nice person'. Best of all, they can be had with a BMW badge.....
 

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