2012 GT-R & Ferrari F1 -Inaccurate Shift Times

  • Thread starter Thread starter Sier_Pinski
  • 14 comments
  • 3,071 views
Sier_Pinski

Sier_Pinski

Messages
657
United States
Texas
Messages
XizangM1
This one started to bug me as soon as I noticed it. At least three cars (the 2012 GT-R, the Ferrari F2007, and the Ferrari F10) have shift times that are much longer compared to real life. They should be almost instantaneous, but in GT5, they take over a quarter of a second. A simple patch should shorten their shift times to more realistic figures.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
The 2012 GT-R in real life has almost instantaneous gearshifts, as shown here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtrUSa7DexU&t=1m52s

Compare this to the GT5 equivalent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyjxv3s8zO8&t=32s

...and then compare that to GT5's '07 GT-R which has much accurate gearshifts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_MAK4uWfxA&t=1m2s
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Same applies for the Ferrari F1 cars (both 2007 and 2010)

Real F2007: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYt9rUbWrtA

GT5 F2007: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0TwISsFMus&t=1m11s

And interestingly, in GT5 Prologue, the F2007 already had the correct gearshift times: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNtOB-HNhB4

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Real F10: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfPTh0oEO24

GT5 F10: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhW4d1NoIIo
 
There are plenty of similar examples where PD botched specifications, transmission type, engine inertia, gear ratios, etc, especially on Standard cars.
It's sad that again they didn't notice that something is wrong on the newest model of their favourite car.
 
F1 cars shift gears in just over 20 milisecond but its not just the numbers but F1 gearbox works differently too but so..

Thats much faster than shifts on motorbikes or moto gp bikes (the fastest bikes on corners and most technological)


Thats also uncomparably faster than the 2012 GTR , current roadcars will never shift as fast as current F1 cars.
 
I agree. The GT-R especially, takes way too long to shift. Even with the dual clutch installed, it is still too slow.
 
And if you try with manual and clutch you are even more slower. (GT5 does not allow shifting with throttle on)
 
I agree with this and i know since the first day. And since GT5 Prologue. They messed a bit with tons of gearbox ratios on many important cars in the game. My cousin is a fan of BMW and had one of course and he is a mechanic and i helped him a couple of times with the engine and one time helped with the gearbox (actually we removed one fixed and then put in the car again). And we had a talk about the gear ratios in GT5.
I changed some gearbox ratios to the actually real deal and the cars feels more close to the real ones talking about for example 0 to 100km/h in seconds and that kind of stuff.
I still have to try with the F1 cars but maybe with the F1 2007 i had to take a look in GT5 Prologue and see if i can put the same ratio again.
F1 cars feel like road cars with those gearboxes lol.
But try this. Google the rev limits for each gear and the top speed of each car and you can make it at least for cars that you like to see working better.
I had a BMW 320i and i know more or less the top speed on each gear and i changed it for some BMW´s in the game (because they use more or less the same configuration) and then the cars felt exactly the same as the real ones. The easier was the M3.
Try that.
 
The 2012 GT-R has laughably slow shift times in GT5, and it's obvious that they just didn't bother trying to actually make it right because compared to the 2007 or 2009 GT-Rs in game the 2012 doesn't have constant throttle application at 0 mph to avoid stalling the engine when not stopped with brakes.

Something that really seems off is the fact that the stock center diff claims the torque split of all GT-Rs is something like 30-70, which is really sad because in reality the torque split at idle is something like 2-98.
 
I think all the dual clutch boxes are quicker in real life in regards to propulsion pause.
The time from selecting a gear to having it engaged is probably correct though.
The Ferrari 458 Italia is a great example.
Also some automated manuals are quicker in real life, like the Ferrari 430 Scuderia.
 
f1 cars shift quickly enough that the throttle does not disengage during a shift.

i thought double clutch road cars were getting faster as f1 cars as its an entirely different system, but i have no facts to back things up with.
 
in the GT5 vid of the GTR it was bouncing off the limiter in 1st that always hurts the 1st to 2nd change.
 
The '12 GTR has botched shifts only on first three gears. The rest are fine.. But how come they have that kind of error in the first place when they had the transmission right in the '07 and '09? :odd:
 
There are actually some difference between dual clutch system between manufacturers. Most shift up quite well but have trouble downshifting as gearbox has to be able to preselect lower gear before shift happens. Usually there is acceleration sensor which indicates gearbox whether speed is increasing or decreasing. If speed decreases, gearbox preselects lower gear for the other clutch. Porsche has currently one of the best the dual clutch systems.
 
Leonidae@MFT
The '12 GTR has botched shifts only on first three gears. The rest are fine.. But how come they have that kind of error in the first place when they had the transmission right in the '07 and '09? :odd:
Click to expand...

If you notice, the shift times in the higher gears are still not on par with the 07 and 09...

It's all very odd.
 

Latest Posts

Back