2014 Final Round Pad Times and Limitations

[bengolding94]

Unfortunately at this round there seems to be quite a noticeable disadvantage for controller users, as many have said in other threads (https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/2014-final-round-nissan-gt-r-nismo-gt3-spa-francorchamps.310542/page-2). We just can't, as far as I can see, take either Eau Rouge or Blanchimont flat, whereas wheel users don't seem to have much of an issue doing so. I've watched ghosts of the top pad times and haven't seen either of these corners taken flat, so I was wondering if anybody has taken either corner flat out using a DS3.

To me, GT Academy should be an opportunity for all players to see where they stand on a level playing field, There are car/track/tyre combinations that allow this to happen (such as Round 2 at Apricot Hill in the 370Z, in which the top 3 DS3 players are in 6th, 7th and 12th place currently), so it is a shame more consideration hasn't been given to these events.

I am not a believer that the greater input precision offered by a wheel makes any significant difference to lap times, but the steering limitations imposed on pad users at speed in the interest of making cars more controllable is clear here.

Anyway, enough ranting, I have compiled a list (manually, so it probably contains a few mistakes) Of the top 66 DS3 laps set so far. I intended to go up to 100, but only went up to 66 because I got bored and that's where I happened to be. I know it's a list of limited credibility as many wheel users would be right up this list if they decided to use a pad, but it's nice to have some idea of where you stand on a level playing field, which to my mind is what it's all about!

Pad Ranking / World Ranking / PSN ID / Time / Gap

P1 P181 Adam_2167-----------------2:15.846 (+1.259)
P2 P250 Racfor----------------------2:16.031 (1.444)
P3 P397 Keine-plainasia--------------2:16.376 (+1.789)
P4 P404 matej2547------------------2:16.382 (+1.795)
P5 P406 Jackthelad1992-------------2:16.386 (+1.799)
P6 P487 GT-Racer-Oromis -----------2:16.532 (+1.945)
P7 P512 jontikis---------------------2:16.569 (+1.982)
P8 P602 Sawada_Yoko-1992---------2:16.675 (+2.088)
P9 P705 GT_I_KILL_COWS_----------2:16.814 (+2.227)
P10 P721 Toivonen_S4----------------2:16.828(+2.241)
P11 P737 Moleman--------------------2:16.856 (+2.269)
P12 P767 Ferryvanveen---------------2:16.880 (+2.293)
P13 P768 Dougeee96------------------2:16.880 (+2.293)
P14 P773 sirvia-----------------------2:16.890 (+2.303)
P15 P807 GTMX-SAN10---------------2:16.942 (+2.355)
P16 P818 alr2311---------------------2:16.949 (+2.362)
P17 P824 doctorgt-emotogp-----------2:16.957 (+2.370)
P18 P848 GTP_Silver------------------2:16.986 (+2.399)
P19 P852 Don_One79-----------------2:16.989 )+2.402)
P20 P857 CvcSly3--------------------2:16.998 (+2.411)
P21 P862 ionstriker-------------------2:17.000 (+2.413)
P22 P877 L_Harrison------------------2:17.018 (+2.431)
P23 P884 GTP_KUKUSHKA-------------2:17.022 (+2.435)
P24 P894 V--Cristian94-- -------------2:17.039 (+2.452)
P25 P904 GT_Rajman------------------2:17.048 (+2.461)
P26 P918 Lothimon--------------------2:17.070 (+2.483)
P27 P920 noko-noko_8823-------------2:17.072 (+2.485)
P28 P938 topladTAY------------------2:17.090 (+2.503)
P29 P945 RGT_GREG_38---------------2:17.094 (+2.507)
P30 P949 Haaargn--------------------2:17.100 (+2.513)
P31 P982 bravi78---------------------2:17.135 (+2.548)
P32 P1017 TC-Christian_can-------------2:17.188 (+2.601)
P33 P1057 VTR_Oscarfuende-------------2:17.228 (+2.641)
P34 P1086 MarKo_25--------------------2:17.261 (+2.674)
P35 P1090 desperate_82----------------2:17.265 (+2.678)
P36 P1096 easy_or_easy----------------2:17.274 (+2.687)
P37 P1111 Fishylocked------------------2:17.289 (+2.702)
P38 P1112 NOLinoli----------------------2:17.291 (+2.704)
P39 P1132 GalaxySte97-----------------2:17.325 (+2.738)
P40 P1135 cosmoguy234----------------2:17.329 (+2.742)
P41 P1161 bulla_TW--------------------2:17.362 (+2.775)
P42 P1178 Uiharu_K4ZARI-LM-----------2:17.378 (+2.791)
P43 P1188 PYTK16---------------------2:17.385 (+2.798)
P44 P1210 THE_TERM1N8TOR_ ---------2:17.408 (+2.821)
P45 P1215 Suissas7--------------------2:17.410 (+2.823)
P46 P1220 SPIDER_820-----------------2:17.416 (+2.829)
P47 P1265 kat1989---------------------2:17.467 (+2.880)
P48 P1271 giuse-1----------------------2:17.470 (+2.883)
P49 P1275 vyviex-----------------------2:17.475 (+2.888)
P50 P1276 Coffeehead09----------------2:17.477 (+2.890)
P51 P1279 K-accele---------------------2:17.479 (+2.892)
P52 P1281 hellZfirEJP--------------------2:17.484 (+2.897)
P53 P1300 jraybay----------------------2:17.497 (+2.910)
P54 P1307 CRANK_U1-------------------2:17.503 (+2.916)
P55 P1310 APOLLO-VENTI---------------2:17.506 (+2.919)
P56 P1313 fujio4jd----------------------2:17.507 (+2.920)
P57 P1321 Windfire1010-----------------2:17.514 (+2.927)
P58 P1347 FamousTurk------------------2:17.541 (+2.954)
P59 P1354 Dubbex----------------------2:17.548 (+2.961)
P60 P1356 Ed_Night---------------------2:17.548 (+2.961)
P61 P1365 RBB__90---------------------2:17.559 (+2.972)
P62 P1368 LukeFarmers24---------------2:17.562 (+2.975)
P63 P1369 xwyzzzzz--------------------2:17.563 (+2.976)
P64 P1374 RocketJoe1-61---------------2:17.564 (+2.977)
P65 P1404 greenhellmonster-------------2:17.607 (+3.020)
P66 P1410 bengolding94-----------------2:17.611 (+3.024)

So, 6 pad users in the top 500, 7 within 2 seconds of the fastest time, and 31 in the top 1000! There isn't the same motivation to try to put in the best lap possible when you know that straight away you're losing a second or more because of your input device. I just hope that issues of this type don't arise in future events.

How are other DS3 users approaching this event, and what are your views on the situation? Have any of you managed to take either Eau Rouge or Blanchimont flat? If so, I'd love to see a video of it.

Mod note: Sorry if this is inappropriate or better suited to an existing thread; I did look and didn't see anything too similar.

 

[ParkerMO125]

Regardless of the flat out situation, i dont see how ds3 vs wheel could ever be considered an even playing field. For that matter, same goes with say a dfgt vs g27. Its not exactly an even game as the wheels and pedals are different. The only thing that is even, is we all can use which ever device we want/are able to.

Nice list btw!

 

[DEADLIST]

I too feel that pain of watching the top10 in my region taking some serious advantage on those 2 corners flat out while i could not take those turns in a DS3 flat out even with the sensitivity up to 7.

Its a big of a competition issue on uneven playing feel, but i dont think it will ever be adressed.

Also, im using a DS3 because in my region, they dont sell steering wheels anymore...only for X-box Ones.

 

[dimassa19]

It's impossible, for a GT3 car, do the Eau Rouge flat... Off line physics too...(with a wheel, with the same car)

 

[MisterWeary]

That's pretty awesome. According to my gorilla-math his lap looks something like:

T1: 0:37'ish
FINAL: 2:22'ish​

Any thoughts?

 

[bengolding94]

I like that video... great to see how the game compares to reality. GT being faster than reality is something I'm sure we're all used to by now I'm sure! In a way it's nice that the DS3 provides a slightly more true-to-life experience through Eau Rouge. Having said that, Lucas did say he was "nearly flat out" through Blanchimont. I don't know about you guys but I have to lift quite a bit!

That T1 split is pretty much what we're getting in-game, suggesting that the car's performance is fairly similar in terms of straight line speed, as that's pretty much what T1 is a test of. To me it seems that the car's downforce and/or tyre grip etc are exaggerated in-game, judging by the total time, but that's just a first look assumption based solely on those splits.

 

[Pezzarinho17]

It is a shame, but you take from the experience what you want. If you are chasing the top times, then you know that you must have a steering wheel to compete. I am well off the pad times in this list still, but enjoyed the 30 minutes of running completed currently and will no doubt unpack the steering wheel for a more lengthy session in the near future.

These advantages affect the real world as well. I know everytime I race my friends in a go-kart that my extra weight (the skinny little sacks!) makes a real impact on the results. I'm yet to find a centre that uses weight ballast to counter this and make the running even, but similarly I haven't actively sought after losing a bit of weight either...

 

[skidmarks]

So I guess having a wheel would be considered a driving aid, especially since you can't be competitive without one. Since coming over from GT5 and never needing a wheel to gold any event, I guess I will be needing a wheel for GT6. So much for the good old days.


P.S. All aids off except abs 1, race rig, and steering wheel.