2016 Lexus GS-F Revealed

[CodeRedR51]

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/01/06/2016-lexus-gs-f-detroit-official-photos/

Power comes from the automaker's 5.0-liter naturally aspirated V8 – the same eight-pot that powers theRC F – good for 467 horsepower at 7,100 rpm and 389 pound-feet of torque that comes on strong between 4,800 and 5,600 rpm. That force is sent to the rear wheels via Lexus' eight-speed automatic transmission.

 

[TS050]

Oh, wow, that looks pretty good. However, I don't think it will be able to compete with super saloons like the M5 and the CTS-V with 467bhp.

I also don't think it'll drive as well as the IS F.

 

[FT-1]

I know F is supposed to be the high-end performance line for Lexus, but think of it as an Audi S6 rival and the GS-F makes sense. Looks great, just needs to be priced correctly and have a decent chassis to be a hit.

 

[TS050]

Ah, of course. My expectations were far too high. The GS F would probably compete with cars like the C63 and M3, considering its power output. As the RC F (Which is essentially, the coupe version of the GS F) starts at £59,000, I would expect it to be priced between 55 and £68,000. Lets just hope its chassis is excellent, huh?

 

[sumbrownkid]

It's headlights remind me of this:

Not a bad looking car though.

 

[Keef]

Given that Lexus only started this F thing a few years ago, I'm not sure they fully realize how far Cadillac pushes the envelope with each new iteration.

It feels to me like the AMGs have been making the same power for decades. BMW has been steadily making more power in the M5 but it never is really all that exciting. Cadillac has this thing where they debut some earth-shattering monster with every new CTS-V. Lexus was behind when they started and they've not gained the slightest momentum. But maybe they're not trying to make the biggest brute, just a nice car that will actually sell in decent numbers.

 

[TS050]

Cadillac has this thing where they debut some earth-shattering monster with every new CTS-V.

Yeah, 640bhp is absolutely incredible. However, I don't think Lexus were aiming for the super saloons with high outputs like that. If they were, I'm pretty sure that they could if they wanted to. I know they can push more power out of its V8.

BMW has been steadily making more power in the M5 but it never is really all that exciting.

I think it gets less exciting the further down the line we go. I mean, I loved the E60 M5. 507bhp was a massive achievement. The F10 M5, however, is my least favourite M5 to date, despite it having more power.

...Just a nice car that will actually sell in decent numbers.

I'm not sure the F model Lexus' sell very well. I remember reading that Lexus only sold 265 IS F's in the UK in it 5 year lifespan. I think it deserved many more sales, but I don't think people trusted Lexus' first foray into the super saloon market. However, now that Lexus have proved themselves with the LFA, this could sell well.


Provided it doesn't have a ridiculous price.

 

[VXR]

Whereas every competitor is forced induction, kudos to Lexus for staying Naturally Aspirated. Who cares about pure numbers, if you like throttle response, NA is hard to beat.

 

[MoLiEG]

Impressive, veeeery impressive...

Dat blue... I love it!

 

[sumbrownkid]

Whereas every competitor is forced induction, kudos to Lexus for staying Naturally Aspirated. Who cares about pure numbers, if you like throttle response, NA is hard to beat.

It's probably one of the last hurrahs though.

 

[Tornado]

I'm not sure if it's because the angles are cherry picked, but that's about the first recent Lexus that hasn't been so "look at me" that it hurts.




Well, until you get to the rear.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

This just seems like an odd choice to me: it's the next size-class up over the RC F, but massively outgunned by the German trio. It looks decent enough, and might be more out-and-out sporting than the E550/550i/S6, but it certainly seems to have a niche within a niche as far as target market goes. Certainly a new IS F would be a sounder business model?

At least it's easier on the eyes than the RC F...

 

[05XR8]

There's always more power to be extracted. It doesnt have to chase Germany. Should make a cool D1 car in the near future.

 

[YSSMAN]

A nice car that straddles a nice line where not a lot of brands seem to be going. Fun, but not totally insane. The Cadillac CTS V-Sport seems to be in that neighborhood, but, the GSF packs a bit more horsepower, the Cadillac with a good bit more torque. Toss the S6/S7 in there, and the comparison really becomes a matter of what kind of layout you want, and how crazy you'd want to get.

All of which just makes me wish Acura would do a performance version of the RLX.

Yes. I like the RLX. Get over it.

 

[mustafur]

Given that Lexus only started this F thing a few years ago, I'm not sure they fully realize how far Cadillac pushes the envelope with each new iteration.

It feels to me like the AMGs have been making the same power for decades. BMW has been steadily making more power in the M5 but it never is really all that exciting. Cadillac has this thing where they debut some earth-shattering monster with every new CTS-V. Lexus was behind when they started and they've not gained the slightest momentum. But maybe they're not trying to make the biggest brute, just a nice car that will actually sell in decent numbers.

The F10 M5 is extremely underrated power wise and is a massive difference from the V10 it replaced, its easily pushing over 600hp from the fly.

 

[Legro]

I don't really understand the point in the using of the "F", which is sort of a Lexus' "M", in this one, but then you have to remember that the BMW makes a diesel "M" car (M550d) and 467 hp is still quite a lot of power.

 

[Tornado]

I don't really understand the point in the using of the "F", which is sort of a Lexus' "M", in this one, but then you have to remember that the BMW makes a diesel "M" car (M550d) and 467 hp is still quite a lot of power.

Also remember that compared to the previous car the most powerful GS now is otherwise a V6 hybrid.




I'm actually kind of surprised they didn't pair this engine up with the LS600 drive train. That would have brought it a lot closer to the German cars in power, if not the CTS

 

[Epic B]

Oh, wow, that looks pretty good. However, I don't think it will be able to compete with super saloons like the M5 and the CTS-V with 467bhp.

I also don't think it'll drive as well as the IS F.

I know F is supposed to be the high-end performance line for Lexus, but think of it as an Audi S6 rival and the GS-F makes sense. Looks great, just needs to be priced correctly and have a decent chassis to be a hit.

Considering the performance of the slightly lighter RC F, yeah. I don't think this will compete with the CTS-V or M5. CTS Vsport and S6 are sure competitors. And maybe the C63 and M3, even those are a size class down. And maybe the 550i, even though it's not a "sport" model. Also, I don't hate the "spindle" grille as much as on other models for some reason. If they wanted to go against the CTS-V and the M5, they'd probably need a bit more power. I'm interested to see how this car turns out regardless. I'm estimating a 0-60 run of 4.4.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I think 467hp is plenty, if I'm honest.

 

[YSSMAN]

...And it isn't as though its a bad V8 by any stretch of measure. For a car that'll be approaching this sporting end of the market very differently than the way the Germans and the Americans do, its a very solid execution on a model that people have been clamoring for for what seems like three or four years now. No, its not the LFA-powered V10 monster that Jalopnik loved to write about, but, its good nevertheless.

Plus, its not like Infiniti or Acura has anything to go up against it.

 

[niky]

Also remember that compared to the previous car the most powerful GS now is otherwise a V6 hybrid.

INB4 someone says "it's got a CVT!"

Oops. Guess that was me.

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The chassis certainly can handle more power, so the V8 is quite welcome. Not quite sure this, or any other road car, needs much more than that. Heck, I think the 300+ from the hybrid is plenty enough if you don't have an unrestricted Autobahn in your backyard.

Could be a good thing, keeping under 500 hp. Then Lexus can build a hardcore edition for the clinically insane. Call it the GS-FU. (just because FQ is taken...)

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Boo on eight speed. Because reasons. These multi-speed boxes have so many intermediate gears it feels like you're sitting on the back of an electric Geisha wearing a tight kimono and tiny wooden clogs... shuffle, shuffle, shuffle, shuffle. There's more drama with a good six speeder... where you get to ride out the power curve in one gear a bit before you thwump into the next one.

Of course, smoothness is probably a more desirable trait for the primary customers.

 

[Epic B]

INB4 someone says "it's got a CVT!"

Oops. Guess that was me.

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The chassis certainly can handle more power, so the V8 is quite welcome. Not quite sure this, or any other road car, needs much more than that. Heck, I think the 300+ from the hybrid is plenty enough if you don't have an unrestricted Autobahn in your backyard.

Could be a good thing, keeping under 500 hp. Then Lexus can build a hardcore edition for the clinically insane. Call it the GS-FU. (just because FQ is taken...)

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Boo on eight speed. Because reasons. These multi-speed boxes have so many intermediate gears it feels like you're sitting on the back of an electric Geisha wearing a tight kimono and tiny wooden clogs... shuffle, shuffle, shuffle, shuffle. There's more drama with a good six speeder... where you get to ride out the power curve in one gear a bit before you thwump into the next one.

Of course, smoothness is probably a more desirable trait for the primary customers.

Assuming F stands for Fast, call it the GS-EF, EF meaning Even Faster. Also, I'm sure the 8 speed will be fine. I'm assuming it uses the same gearing as the RC F.

 

[Legro]

Assuming F stands for Fast, call it the GS-EF, EF meaning Even Faster

How about GS EH, just for the sake of it.

Edit: The F is supposed to mean Fuji Speedway.

 

[Epic B]

How about GS EH, just for the sake of it.

Edit: The F is supposed to mean Fuji Speedway.

Oh right, forgot about the whole Fuji connection. Isn't the F logo supposed to resemble a corner of Fuji Speedway? I also heard the F name comes from "Circle F", which was the codename for the Lexus brand before the brand came to fruition. That's what Road & Track told me anyway.

 

[TS050]

Isn't the F logo supposed to resemble a corner of Fuji Speedway?

I heard that the F is to do with Mount Fuji, and the power curves of the F models resemble the mountain.

 

[Epic B]

I heard that the F is to do with Mount Fuji, and the power curves of the F models resemble the mountain.

Well, that makes sense.

 

[analog]

This just seems like an odd choice to me: it's the next size-class up over the RC F, but massively outgunned by the German trio. It looks decent enough, and might be more out-and-out sporting than the E550/550i/S6, but it certainly seems to have a niche within a niche as far as target market goes. Certainly a new IS F would be a sounder business model?

At least it's easier on the eyes than the RC F...

Yep, where is the new IS F?

 

[McLaren]

Considering the performance of the slightly lighter RC F, yeah. I don't think this will compete with the CTS-V or M5. CTS Vsport and S6 are sure competitors. And maybe the C63 and M3, even those are a size class down. And maybe the 550i, even though it's not a "sport" model. Also, I don't hate the "spindle" grille as much as on other models for some reason. If they wanted to go against the CTS-V and the M5, they'd probably need a bit more power. I'm interested to see how this car turns out regardless. I'm estimating a 0-60 run of 4.4.

Right on the money. 👍

It's easy to see where this should be a AMG/M fighter based on the RC-F running alongside the M4, but it's not & Lexus realizes that. Where as the big dogs are $90K+, the GS-F is expected in the ballpark of $70-80K alongside the RC-F. Makes sense as the RC350 starts at $43K & the RC-F at $62K, and the GS350 starts at $49K. Essentially, for about $20,000 more, you can go from the base to top of the line.

Yep, where is the new IS F?

Nothing in the pipeline for it, yet.

 

[mustafur]

Isn't the RC on the IS platform?

 

[niky]

Isn't the RC on the IS platform?

The IS, RC and GS share a common platform (obviously, there are differences in dimensions and wheelbases...)

EDIT: more accurately, the RC shares platform elements with both the IS and GS, but I do recall talk of the IS and GS being closely related before. Still looking for citations...