Formula 1 2021 Formula 1 Constructors thread

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  1. DesertPenguin

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    Progress!
     
  4. PeterJB

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    Haas have 15 less, Alfa Romeo have 22 less, Williams are the same (though they've had three 11th places this year to one 14th place last year as their best result), AlphaTauri have 40 more, McLaren have 46 more, Renault have 60 more, and Racing Point have 100 more (not including their penalty deduction).

    Tracing Point are obviously the biggest winners (I wonder why), so now Ferrari have gone from being :censored:ed by Mercedes to being spit-roasted.
     
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    Honda is pulling out end of next year...
     
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    So they decide to quit just when stuff starts looking good for them?

    Didn't they do this in 2008?
     
  7. Adam41

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    I would have loved to have seen Cyril's face when he saw this news.
     
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    One possible take-away from this is that Honda no longer see F1 development as the technical pinnacle of proto-development that many manufacturers once did?
     
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    Well that seems to be a major F for the Sport, could we not have had this from the tyre supplier since I am not a huge fan of the
    Pirelli tyres.

    Hopefully the other teams will find good replacement engine suppliers.
     
  10. Frank McGank

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    It’s the same story we see play out in motorsports again and again. The FIA makes regulations based around ‘road relevancy’ to try and pander to OEMs. Because the OEMs have heaps of cash to burn, the development costs skyrocket. But because the OEMs are only in motorsport for marketing their road cars, they’ll pull the plug the instant the bean counters decide the return on investment isn’t high enough. End result is the costs are too high to be sustainable.
    This could be solved by telling the OEMs to jog on and instead making regulations that are geared towards smaller garagista outfits. But FOM won’t do it, because OEMs bring in far more money for the top brass.

    F1 would be better off if the only engine suppliers were Cosworth, Judd, Ilmor, Gibson, Mechachrome, and AER. 3 litre, 4 stroke, natural aspiration, no hybrid system, mechanical valve springs, no exotic alloys in the engine construction, and a 100kg fuel limit to start the race on. No limits on cylinder count or layout, wjd engines only need to last a single session. Costs would dramatically decrease, noise and excitement would increase, and there’d be far more grid variety in engine design. But nooo, the FIA and FOM won’t ever do anything approaching that because then Mercedes and Renault would leave and take all their money and marketing with them.
     
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    Honda the power of quitting.
     
  12. Roger the Horse

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    So, Red Bull's options at this point are:

    - Try to beg Mercedes to add two extra power unit customers from 2022 onwards, one of which would be an established top team. (Unlikely)
    - See if Ferrari are prepared to supply them with power units. (Even if they could get them, would they want them?)
    - Go trudging back to Renault. (We all know how that relationship played out)

    Can't say that this is pleasing news at all. Not at all.
     
  13. Frank McGank

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    They sort of had a backup back when Aston Martin were their sponsor. They could’ve convinced Mercedes to sell them a Merc engine with an AM badge slapped on it, as a bit of a marketing reference to how Aston is now using Mercedes engines. It would’ve been a win-win; if the engine went bang they could call it an Aston and Mercedes gets no bad press. Red Bull wins and everyone talks about how it’s ‘actually a Merc’.

    then Stroll bought out Force India and acquired a major stake in Aston. Renault is their only realistic option now. In short, they’re shagged.
     
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    Red Bull are in an awkward position as of now but with their massive resources they could start making their own engines, if they feel the need to continue in the 'environmentally out of favour' F1 brand at all.
     
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    Is this for Helmut & Co also a surprise? I cannot imagine (forgive me for being naive) that this news comes as a surprise for them. They already knew when signing the Concorde Agreement. We only have to wait until the news leaks or for the official announcements coming soonish (read as: in 2021).
     
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    Don't blame Max if he he bails now, but the timing hurts his chances for a seat until Hamilton possibly retires.
     
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    There's no way RB can just make their own engine over night. Look at how long it took honda to not **** it up. They dont have any engine expertise at all. They make chassis, not engines.

    Best chance is Renault. But i doubt Cyril will oblige them.

    I hope they get left out to dry for always ******** on their engine suppliers anyways.
     
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    A third of McLaren Racing has been sold to US-based investors in a deal that values the company at around £550m. BBC.
     
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    I hope Mercedes sticks with black next season. Their cars look so much better with it.
     
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    Toto is staying at Mercedes for another three years. Daimler has also handed half of its stake in the team to Ineos, so it's an even three way split between Ineos, Daimler and Wolff now.

    So in other words, there's not likely to be any major shakeups in the team's administration anytime soon.
     
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    When the car was dusty at the end of the Bahrain race the matte looked epic. Love it.
     
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    Turkey.
     
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    I quite like the gloss on the black. Very lively looking. When they go back to silver I'd love to see it be satin.
     
  26. SlowGrayAudi

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    The silver is quite bright. But not as bright at McLaren's old car. It was like rolling chrome
     
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    I'd say the 2006 McLaren WAS rolling chrome :D
     
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    Mazepin is suing Force India over a claimed lack of honesty or due diligence in choosing the highest bidder. Mazepin claims that Stroll did not give the highest bid or, if he did, Stroll had inside knowledge of Mazepin's bid.
     
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    I really hope Mazepin loses the case and somehow he gets his degenerate son kicked out of F1 too.

    BUT....
    Most likely Mazepin will try to go after Haas F1.
     
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    I feel while Haas the F1 team is relatively small financially speaking (that we know of) Haas the automation, CNC and general American racing behemoth aren't lacking cash. Can't see them being sold on. I get the feeling Gene Haas would rather just fold the team than sell it to a corrupt Russian. Or anyone for that matter.

    Meanwhile. Ferrari and Haas sharing ever more resources, including space and staff.
    https://wtf1.com/post/ferrari-are-creating-a-base-for-the-haas-f1-team-at-maranello/
     
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