2J + SH = Nonsense

[bobby2227]

Here we go again, the 2J rules the roost at grand valley in the latest time trial! Personally I find it stupid that a race car is allowed to purchase & fit sports (or comfort) tyres. When did racing cars ever use anything other than racing tyres in real life? So why can't PD prevent the use of non-race tyres on any car designated as "racing"?
I find that I now have to use the 2J in this latest trial in order to compare myself with the masses which kind of goes against the grain for me.

 

[Tornado]

I think a far more useful restriction would be to prevent race cars from entering races that they don't intend race cars to enter.

 

[StGeorge]

A prime exampe of why I don't bother with time trials, that and petty rewards.

 

[mrkevans]

i think a far more useful restriction would be to prevent race cars from entering races that they don't intend race cars to enter.

+1

 

[Vrooman923]

They should at least put the 2J in the OCD. I have nearly 1000 cars and don't yet have this one. But even if I did have one, I'd prefer the time trials that more regularly featured cars other than the 2J in the leaderboards. Too much 2J! And it ain't sour grapes.

 

[Peasantslayer]

They should at least put the 2J in the OCD. I have nearly 1000 cars and don't yet have this one. But even if I did have one, I'd prefer the time trials that more regularly featured cars other than the 2J in the leaderboards. Too much 2J! And it ain't sour grapes.

PD should definitely re-assess how they calculate PP or at least apply harsher regulations in time trials, half the time the only restriction is PP and tyres which is why it's the same cars that dominate.

 

[Gejabo]

Just remove the power limiter.

 

[grog]

A prime exampe of why I don't bother with time trials, that and petty rewards.

I agree, I find these events teach players bad habbits like looking for loopholes and exploits.

Anyway this mindset ruins the fairness of online racing. Sure this is all due to a poorly executed PP system on PDs part, but this is basically all we have to work with.

I agree with Peasantslayer that the PP rating should be reassessed.

 

[Morgoth_666]

I think a far more useful restriction would be to prevent race cars from entering races that they don't intend race cars to enter.

Agreed.

It would be a sad sad day if we could no longer put sports tires on race cars, as many of them are much more enjoyable to drive that way, at least with mediums or softs. It would also make an even race with the AI virtually impossible since simply reducing power makes for a ridiculous game of blocking on the straights and parking in the corners.

The TTs just need to have more filters for the leaderboards so you could try to be the fastest in a particular car, or the fastest in an unmodified car, or the fastest in a street car, or whatever. As it is you have 3 options. Pick what you wish to drive and see how fast you can go with it on your own, basically like practice mode -- OR -- Attempt to organize rules of competition between those on your friends list -- OR -- Use the fast car and try to see how you can do on the actual leaderboard.


It's not actually exploiting anything other than the same "fast-for-its-PP" thing that we're stuck with in most online racing anyway, it's just that if they set the rules up that way, then they - like any sanctioning body - are setting the manner of the competition. If the rules favor a particular car, then the competition for overall victory will nearly always be between drivers of that car.

PD knows what the options we have available are, and they know how the past events have gone. So what I guess what we have to accept is that PD actually wants the majority of the TTs to be a test of who is the fastest in a properly detuned 2J / R390 GT1 Road Car / Elise 111R or GSX/R. If they wished, it wouldn't likely be terribly difficult to change that dynamic. As a rule, I choose to find other things to do after getting my easy million and perhaps setting a decent lap in my car of choice.

It would of course be nice if they would ban or restrict the use of ballast and power limiter to encourage use of different cars, or if they allowed/disallowed specific cars per event, but there will almost always be found a fastest eligible car no matter what they do.

Wow, that grew to be longer than planned.

 

[CorvetteConquer]

I think PD wants to self-destruct.

 

[HaylRayzor]

They need to bump up the PP of the washing machine by 10%. It is nothing but a joke.

 

[DurWinning]

They should at least put the 2J in the OCD. I have nearly 1000 cars and don't yet have this one. But even if I did have one, I'd prefer the time trials that more regularly featured cars other than the 2J in the leaderboards. Too much 2J! And it ain't sour grapes.

Only thing is if it was in the OCD it would cost 14,000,000 to $15,000,000 dollars

 

[Drevenger]

c'mon man
Grab a bday ticket '70 and cycle it untill you get it.
Its not that hard, trust me.
I was hating the car pretty badly but when you give it a go its actually fun.
If you want everything leveled the same just do some Nascar or Karts.

 

[Polsixe]

I agree, I find these events teach players bad habbits like looking for loopholes and exploits.

Anyway this mindset ruins the fairness of online racing. Sure this is all due to a poorly executed PP system on PDs part, but this is basically all we have to work with.

I agree with Peasantslayer that the PP rating should be reassessed.

It's really the 2j that has the worst PP discrepancy, most of the other 1000 odd cars are fairly close when you realize PP is related to HP/kg.

 

[Peasantslayer]

It's really the 2j that has the worst PP discrepancy, most of the other 1000 odd cars are fairly close when you realize PP is related to HP/kg.

Yes but there are definitely flaws in the formula, I think it underestimates the power of the 2Js fan.

 

[Fisha695]

It's really the 2j that has the worst PP discrepancy, most of the other 1000 odd cars are fairly close when you realize PP is related to HP/kg.

Yes but there are definitely flaws in the formula, I think it underestimates the power of the 2Js fan.

The big flaw in the formula that I've seen is that PP should include all addons to the car (including tires) not just the Power Ones. They say PP is "Performance Points" but with what they count it's more "Power Points".

 

[Jaywalker]

Only thing is if it was in the OCD it would cost 14,000,000 to $15,000,000 dollars

Don't you mean 'credits'? We're not all American...

On topic, you'd think that by now PD would have taken note that the damn 2J is being over-used in the TT's & would set the restrictions to preclude it?

 

[StevenDunn99]

They should at least put the 2J in the OCD.

Or have it as a prize ticket for golding a 600PP TT.💡

 

[DurWinning]

Don't you mean 'credits'? We're not all American...

On topic, you'd think that by now PD would have taken note that the damn 2J is being over-used in the TT's & would set the restrictions to preclude it?

Meh credits or dollars or pounds or yen the point is it is expensive

 

[Tornado]

The big flaw in the formula that I've seen is that PP should include all addons to the car (including tires) not just the Power Ones.

There is no reason to include tires when you can (and PD does, for the purposes of this discussion) set tire limitations separately. Furthermore, things unrelated to power and weight (ie. suspension and drivetrain) cannot be included because those provide subjective benefits.

They say PP is "Performance Points" but with what they count it's more "Power Points".

No it isn't. It takes default grip, weight distribution, weight, torque curve, aerodynamics and downforce into account; plus some other thing that I'm forgetting.

It's really the 2j that has the worst PP discrepancy, most of the other 1000 odd cars are fairly close when you realize PP is related to HP/kg.

They already adjusted it once. If they moved it up any higher, it would have difficulty competing with things in it's "normal" PP bracket. And, again, PP is a guide. Not an absolute arbiter of performance.

 

[Xiamoto]

Here we go again, the 2J rules the roost at grand valley in the latest time trial! Personally I find it stupid that a race car is allowed to purchase & fit sports (or comfort) tyres. When did racing cars ever use anything other than racing tyres in real life? So why can't PD prevent the use of non-race tyres on any car designated as "racing"?
I find that I now have to use the 2J in this latest trial in order to compare myself with the masses which kind of goes against the grain for me.

I wonder how many people who purchased GT5 (approx. 10 million?) it would take for PD to actually spend the time (and money) to make this change. I would personally like to see this change, but I fear there are dozens of other fixes, upgrades and features that PD thinks they'll get a bigger bang for their buck with.

 

[jts0123]

I just use Time Trials for the million credits and move on. I'm going to end up in 30,000th place no matter what I use. But I wouldn't mind seeing PD use the 2J like they did in the last race of GT academy. Make an event where they give you a 2J with no tuning available, and no aids other than a steering wheel, gas pedal, and brake pedal. Just like the original car. Maybe even have the fan break half way into the circuit. That might put some challenge into the TT.