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I just saw this movie today, I thought it was very good. It's based on the 1997 robbery of the bank of America, where two men attempted to rob the bank with AK47's using armour piercing rounds and wearing full body kevlar. It's well acted and features the full 44 minutes of the robery. It's done with a bit of a documentary style, but it uses the actors only. It's well filmed, well acted, really makes you think and feel for people involved and until today I was pretty much unaware of the films existance, has anyone else sen this film? And what did you think of it?
 
I don't need to see the movie. I saw the real shoot out happen live on TV, on KTLA Channel 5. The very lovely Jennifer York was in the copter 5 giving the end of her normal traffic report when she started showing the gun battle.

Though, I would still like to see the movie, just to see if they changed anything from the truth. The official police report was different from the truth, so I bet the movie makers changed stuff around as well.

I'll do a search of it, because I've never heard of this movie before. But, I did hear that someone was going to make a movie of the event, but I've heard nothing else about it since then.
 
It's a good film, I don't know if much has been changed but from what I saw on the news and remeber about the event it looked pretty accurate.
 
Yeah, I also saw both the movie and the real thing on TV that day. As far as I can tell, the movie was pretty accurate. I think I caught it on FX, not really sure though.

Here it is at Amazon.com:
 
i saw a bit of it on FX, but was on the PC
 
I'm supriesed no one else seems to have seen this film.
 
I've seen this film it was on around 4am though, I knew it was based off an actual robbery but didn't know the robbery was that bad, and how was the ending like, I was a bit too sleepy as it was was like nearly done but I fell asleep.
 
|t the end one of the robbers (the one with long hair) shoots himself in the head and the other one gets shot several times in his foot and leg by the SWAT team during an almost point blank gun fight. Look up the real event on Google and it's all the same as that.
 
I have seen it and though it was very good. But one thing I couldn't figure out is how with all those cops shooting, none of them could hit the guys in the head.
 
Originally posted by Slick6
I have seen it and though it was very good. But one thing I couldn't figure out is how with all those cops shooting, none of them could hit the guys in the head.
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The effective range of the Berreta 9mm 92FG pistol is only about 40 to 60 yards. The shotguns they had only have an effective range of about the same distance. Both are not built for accuracy at long ranges, or velocity and energy of an expanded bullet. The police distance from the enemy was about 125 to 200 yards. Accuracy of a semi-automaitc pistol is very poor. So is the ballistic coefficient of a 115gr bullet. By the time the bullet got to the shooters, it just bounced off of their thick body armour. Hitting a head with one of these weapons is almost impossible.

The bank robbers had HK semi-automatic .308 rifles, and fully auto MAK-90's/AK-47's. The effective range of these weapons were perfect for the situation they got themselves in. It's good they were horrible shooters that relied on bullet deployment and less on bullet placement.
 
Are you telling me there's no snipers or anything on the swat team or anyone with automatic weapons in California?
 
Originally posted by Slick6
Are you telling me there's no snipers or anything on the swat team or anyone with automatic weapons in California?
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Do you think the SWAT Team is sitting around waiting in full gear to get the order to move in on someone? The big shoot out on TV happened when the first units arrived on scene. Then, when two officers and two civilians got hit with automatic gun fire, they requested the SWAT Team, which takes at least 20 minutes to respond. Not all members are on duty at the same time.

While they were waiting for the SWAT Team, several officers went to B&B guns to pick up some higher powered firearms, and ammo. No joke. They ran into to the store, and starting grabbing anything that looked big and powerful.

While they were returning to the scene, a few members of the SWAT Team showed up, still in their civilian clothing, and with bullet proof vests that were just dangling around their body, they were able to take out the last gunman. The early gunman ran out of ammo while shooting at a regular cop, and shot himself in the head when he saw a police car approaching.

That approaching police car had the few SWAT Team members I described early in there. One SWAT Team member shot the downed gunman in the head to make sure he was dead. Then, they moved on to the second gunman. That's the big shoot out that most people remember.

LAPD learned from their mistakes. They now keep a high powered rifle in every squad car. Most are used military M16's, but some are new. Also, officers can finally carry a different sidearm than the Berreta. Than can cary the Smith & Wesson .45ACP, and a few others which have a lot more power than the wimpy 9mm.
 
Ah, thank you for educating me, I guess that would have changed many things, which led me to believe that they had higher powered authorities ready for these things, but I now see that that was a result of earlier instances like this. I was just thinking here of how well armed our local authorities are here.
 
yeah...i thought it was a great movie....sad, but a great movie..much like The Passion of the Christ was a sad but great movie (although 44 minutes was not wuite as sad as Jesus being crucified)

they show it on FX at least a couple times a year for what ive seen...
 
I also saw this happen on live TV. And i clearly do NOT remember one of them shooting themselves in the head. I remember seeing the guy walking down an alley or very small residential street, after they split up, and he was walking along with a pistol when next thing you know he just dropped. and you could barely make out where a bullet passed through his head. that's how i remember it. And i'm definately getting my hands on this DVD. I want to see it. And i do believe that there were originally 3 robbers. I think one left his buddies or something before the TV crews showed up.
 
I saw it last year when it first came out on TV. I thought it was exclent and it followed the events that really happened pretty true.
 
Originally posted by 87chevy
And i do believe that there were originally 3 robbers. I think one left his buddies or something before the TV crews showed up.
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There was only two robbers, it was the same two guys that had been robbing aurmored vans transporting money before they hit the bank. The film is very close to the real thing.
 
Originally posted by 87chevy
I also saw this happen on live TV. And i clearly do NOT remember one of them shooting themselves in the head. I remember seeing the guy walking down an alley or very small residential street, after they split up, and he was walking along with a pistol when next thing you know he just dropped. and you could barely make out where a bullet passed through his head. that's how i remember it. And i'm definately getting my hands on this DVD. I want to see it. And i do believe that there were originally 3 robbers. I think one left his buddies or something before the TV crews showed up.
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You saw it live in Florida? If you weren't there at the time, where were you and what time was it?

The one robber did shoot himself in the head, BTW.
 
eh.... your right Solid_Lifters. Not live. But I mean like right after it happened. I was in Tampa, visiting my late granmother. It was ALL OVER the TV. they showed almost all the footage. We must have watched the news for like 2 hours. Man, I really don't remember that guy shooting himself though. They showed that footage like 3 or 4 times too. hmmm. Well you live there so i guess you know. I ordered the movie off BestBuy.com. Should have it by end of week. Anyone have the DVD? I wonder if it will have the real footage on it?
 
If you didn't see it live like we did, there's a chance it might've been edited/censored.
 
Originally posted by tabs
If you didn't see it live like we did, there's a chance it might've been edited/censored.
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No, it wasn't at first. They even warned against graphic footage and all that. I clearly remember seeing the little pufts of brain matter when that one guy got shot in the head(by whoever). Actaully that may have been live, I can't remember. This was like forever ago.
 
The guy shot himself, put the gun under his chin. The other guy got shot but not killed.
 
Philips was the robber who shot himself in the head. It happened like this.

After the big bank shoot out, Montaseraneu(sp?) was injured. He drove the Toyota Celica while Philips walked along the side. They turned down a residential street to make their escape when a motorcycle cop came from behind. Montaseraneu took off leaving Philips behind. Philips shot at the cop, then continued down the street. Another cop, this time in front of him, appeared and they started to shoot at each other. Philips was hit in the arm, and dropped his handgun. He bent down to pick it up, and then stood up. While he was still looking down, he put the barrel to his throat and pulled the trigger. The shot exited out the back of his head, and a vapor cloud of blood was visible, as well was a small hole to the back of his head in the mask he was wearing. He fell to his knees, then fell to his left, landing on his side. He stayed there for about 15 to 20 seconds when the car, with the four SWAT guys I mentioned in a earlier post, pulled up to the front of him. The SWAT officer in the back seat of the cop car fired a shot which landed on the ground in front of the face of the dying Philips. A second shot was fired and missed again, hitting very close to Philips this time. A third shot was fired and hit Philips in the forehead which caused his head to fling backwards. This is the shot the corner reports as "kill shot" but it wasn't. Philips had already taken his own life. The SWAT officer was just making sure he was dead.

Monteseraneu later had a shoot out with the four SWAT officers and ended up getting is ass shot to bits. Literly. One SWAT officer, lying under the cop car, shot at him while Monteseraneu was sitting in front of the getaway car. He later bled to death when LAPD refused to let him have medical aid because they feared there were more suspects, but there wasn't any more.

They found a hideout house the two rented with cash several days later. they found a safe with 700,000 in cash still in it. That was more than enough to start their own businessed, so they robbed the banks for the thrill of it. They also had nice cars, a lots of other fine things.
 
Has anyone has seen the movie SWAT (the one with Colin Farrell)? The opening scene is eerily similar to this shootout.
 
Well i got my DVD of this and watched this past weekend. What an awesome movie.... although it feels wierd calling it a movie because it's all true. The attention to detail was superb! 👍 👍 Me and my buddy are gun buffs so we really watch movies for realism in how weapons are handled and shown. Now i see why i thought the guy at the end got shot by a sniper. From the Helicopter footage you could not see his hand with gun under his head due to direct-overhead angle. I'm going to watch this again. All that firepower and hot lead flying through the air just gets my blood pumping. Now i realize it really happened and people really got hurt....but the only people who died were those that should have: the suspects. Which is quite incredible and LAPD gets mad props! :cheers:

Watch this movie if you haven't. BestBuy.com has it for 19.99. GET IT!
 

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