4WD Drifting Qs

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ugh, i shouldve changed the topic into something like
4WD Drifting Problems.. realized it after i pressed post, sorry if it annoys anyone

hey, ive been practicing drifting for a week, but still noob

i did do a FEW decent drifts, but i still mess up 99% of the time

the only map ive tried drifting on is Trial Mountain Normal (seems to be a good map to learn how to drift)

my main problem is this:
i always either slide out all the way to the grass/dirt/wall
or
after "drifting", i lost control of my car, so i try to keep it straight, but my car eventually spins out

i drive a
Evo VIII GSR
i use BoundaryLayer's settings except for the full transmisson stuff

Boundary Layer
'04 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR GSR

Parts to buy:
Racing Exhaust
Racing Brakes, Brake Controller
Port and Polish, Engine Balancing, Sports Racing Chip
Triple Plate Clutch, Racing Flywheel, Full Customize LSD, Carbon Driveshaft, Fully Customizeable Transmission
Stage 2 Turbine Kit, Racing Intercooler
Racing Suspension
N2 Tires Front, N1 Tires Rear
Stage 1, 2, & 3 Weight Reduction, Chassis Refresh, Increased Chassis Rigidity
Oil change and maybe some nice rims
~513HP
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Settings:
Brake Controller
  • Front: 2
  • Rear: 9
Suspension:
  • Spring Rates: 7.5 kgf/mm | 5.3 kgf/mm
  • Ride Height: 108mm | 112mm
  • Shock Bound: 2 | 1
  • Shock Rebound: 4 | 1
  • Camber Angle: 1.2 | 0
  • Toe Angle: 0 | 0
  • Stabilizers: 1 | 1
Gear Ratios:
  • Tranny Trick Used
  • Final: 4.200
  • Auto: 1
Aids:
  • ASM Oversteer: 0
  • ASM Understeer: 0
  • TCS: 0
LSD:
  • Initial Torque: 12 | 10
  • Limited Slip Acceleration: 8 | 50
  • Limited Slip Deceleration: 10 | 25
VCD:
  • Front Wheel Distribution: 32
Weight Balance:
  • Ballast Weight: 0
  • Front/Rear Balance: 40


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the style i use for drifting is

1. brake (very little)
2. steer opposite direction
3. steer correct direction + immediate ebrake following
4. press + hold down throttle
5. keep the car from not spinning out

when i exit after the "drift", i sometimes tend to lose control

either that or i simply slide out too much

these problems are usually at the 1st corner(high speed + somewhat gentle corner) at Trial Mountain (normal) + the VERY short corner after the 1st tunnel + the somewhat long corner inbetween 2 tunnels + the long similar corners after the loooong downhill


my true goal in the drifting line is to get as close as possible to the inside corner like in Initial D

i did look at most of the guides, *BoundaryLayer's, the Drifting Techniques Guide, etc*

but i still dont seem to understand how to "drift" properly

if anyone could help me out, itd be a billion thanks
 
It sounds like you've got 2 big problems, one is easy to fix, the other is a little more complicated. The first major error you made was your serious lack of judgement: the drifts you see preformed in Initial D are highly advanced, the things you expect out of a very refined drifter. You're not going to be able to reach that goal anytime soon (unless you're using the DS2, I hear that's pretty easy to use for drifting). The second major error you've made is the length of your counter. I'm assuming that when you say you lose control of the car at the end you're getting a whip-back affect, where you've countered to long, the weights shifted into a normal state and you're front tires have gained a crap load of grip. Either that, or you're probably not countering enough or using too much throttle. Throttle control is very important in all forms of drifting. Now I'm going to assume you're a beginner, so I'm going to have to say you should look into some of the easier cars to drift. Try getting any of the Silvia S13/S14's, they're some of the easier cars to play around with when it comes to drifting. Neither of them require much tuning, so it'll be much easier to learn the basics in them.

Also, I suggest strongly that you don't continue your attempts at 4WD drifting. While 4WD drifting can ultimately result in some majorly awesome drifts with high angles, you're not going to have an easy time learning how to drift with it. Drifting with a 4WD requires a large amount of throttle control and a very hefty knowledge of the basics. Learn to use the rear wheel drive cars before you move to 4WD.

That's really all I can think of, if you're not a beginner don't worry about it, try going back to the basics anyways, it's always good to have somewhere to go back to.
 
thanks for the advice, ill try using ff/fr cars and i am somewhat beginner
i cleared all the licences except the "Super Licence" (if its even relevant)

i also play Initial D, the arcade game.. ****laods easier than this xD

thanks for the advice agn, rlly helps in my progress since i felt stuck :)
 
Don't worry bout AWD drifting unless you have mastered FR drifting and know bout the basics in Drifting in GT4.
 
Implausibility
the drifts you see preformed in Initial D are highly advanced,
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Highly fictional is more like it. But good advice Implausibility.

I'd have to echo everyone elses advice about starting and learning to drift on the FR drivetrain first.

If you do keep at the AWD thing though, remember NOT to countersteer. Keep the front wheels pointed straight ahead until you want to pull out of your drift. You have to control your heading and rotation almost entirely with the throttle, and possibly with ebrake taps. That's why it is so important that you hit the right line at the very start of the drift - it is hard to adjust it later on (you'll see that I have many wheel off in my DSJ3 vid where I was a little bit off my ideal line).

If you're using the DFP AWD's may be difficult - I can't drift those settings you quoted with my DFP, I had to switch back to the ol' DS2 in DSJ3 when I made my vid because it can center the steering much much faster.

oh, and:
 
well, how about flicking AE86 into drift, taking hands off the wheel and lighting a cigar, and this takes about 10-20 seconds? that's pretty much impossible for a human being.
second thing: there's no understeer during raining in ID anime, is there? if there is, I haven't noticed.. those speeds what they're pulling will result as hydroplaning in real life. and that, if what, is pretty unpleasant feeling.

and about 4WD drifting..

as others said, it's the ultimate form of drifting. but, if you want to get a grip of it, try something heavier first, like Nissan Stagea 260RS, which is basically R33 GT-R estate, and has rear-biased AWD-system. then, get my suspension settings for it from the settings sub-forum. after that, add some power if you like or need. it's very easy to learn AWD drifts with it.
 
Leonidae
well, how about flicking AE86 into drift, taking hands off the wheel and lighting a cigar, and this takes about 10-20 seconds? that's pretty much impossible for a human being.
second thing: there's no understeer during raining in ID anime, is there? if there is, I haven't noticed.. those speeds what they're pulling will result as hydroplaning in real life. and that, if what, is pretty unpleasant feeling.

and about 4WD drifting..

as others said, it's the ultimate form of drifting. but, if you want to get a grip of it, try something heavier first, like Nissan Stagea 260RS, which is basically R33 GT-R estate, and has rear-biased AWD-system. then, get my suspension settings for it from the settings sub-forum. after that, add some power if you like or need. it's very easy to learn AWD drifts with it.
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Wiki
The anime and manga focus on the world of illegal Japanese street racing, where all the action is concentrated in the mountain passes (called Tōge) and never in cities nor urban areas, and the drift racing style is emphasized in particular. Keiichi Tsuchiya helps with editorial supervision. The story is centered around the Japanese prefecture of Gunma, more specifically on several mountains in the prefecture and in and their surrounding cities and towns. Although some of the names of the locations the characters race in have been fictionalized all of the locations in the series are based on actual locations in Gunma Prefecture.
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Flicking AE86- weight Transfer
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No hand drifting-
BMW fun
Raining understeer- you know how fast they are going? thats why there isn't ALOT OF RAIN BATTLES.

What is the Ultimate Form of drifting?
 
nightkids4ever
Flicking AE86- weight Transfer
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No hand drifting-
BMW fun
Raining understeer- you know how fast they are going? thats why there isn't ALOT OF RAIN BATTLES.

What is the Ultimate Form of drifting?
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First of all, you're using a move clip as an example. Not going to happen.

NK4e, are you saying that everything that comes out on initial D is plausible and can be humanly done? :banghead:
 
ForcedInduction
First of all, you're using a move clip as an example. Not going to happen.

NK4e, are you saying that everything that comes out on initial D is plausible and can be humanly done? :banghead:
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No, he just pick the bad examples thats all. Like the duct Tape match, who in the right mind would do that? but in the anime, you only saw what bunta did. I could be wrong with this. or either that I like to have some excitement in GTP drifting forums now and then.. again..I should of put Sarcasm at the end of it...*sigh* Im confused right now..and Im going to take a nap... and I like that movie clip ^^" but we are comparing GT4 with Initial D,
my true goal in the drifting line is to get as close as possible to the inside corner like in Initial D
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Im maybe wrong but Im not going to make a big fuss over it
 
well i think i can solve this if you want to drift awd try a stock n1 r32 or a 99 impreza on both i use n2 in the front and n3 in the back, to tell you the r32 is great at tsukuba i have been able to drift the long turn and with min counter steer. The one thing i have to say is dont try the mines r34 i never got the hang of it and it spins out alot for me.
 
Mr.M
i use n2 in the front and n3 in the back
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I think you made a typo Mr.M - you're saying you split the tire compounds and put the stickier tyre on the rear?

Please clarify or edit.
 
yeah sorry :dunce: i just relized now that i got the post wrong, the fronts sould be n3 and rear n2 but it is a great drift car. and also to point out the normal r32 gtr sould be great also with the same settings.( i was writing this as i tested my r32 with a stock suspinsion)
 
Ooo...
4wd drifting is my speciality, even though im not really that well known here...
if it's stock, just e-brake and turn untill ur car's at an angle u want and just throttle..
If the car is set to drift, you shouldnt need an e-brake. It should be a simple slow down, turn, tap the brake and it should slide, since it's a 4wd, the front wheels should pull while the rear wheels should push. Counter steer I find is always none or full o.O.
I can't drift a FR, it's very...slippier for me, 4wd's have grip, so they shouldn't go off the road...
Mmmm...maybe try a diffrent setting, I have some, i just havn't posted them on here...
But maybe you should fix the timing of when u initiate the drift and when u accelerate in the drift...could effect it.
 
yeah, of course it's possible.. in animation or in scripted commercial. that AE86 could fly to moon if SS would want it to do so. :rolleyes: but, show me how it is done by REAL drivers in some drift event.. ;)
 
Leonidae
yeah, of course it's possible.. in animation or in scripted commercial. that AE86 could fly to moon if SS would want it to do so. :rolleyes: but, show me how it is done by REAL drivers in some drift event.. ;)
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But the comparasion was between GT4 and Initial D
*Listen to Fly me to the moon* XD
 
whatever.. but, claiming that it's possible to do in GT4 what they do in ID is bit like claiming that Keanu Reeves can fly just because he could do so in the movie. but, I'm out of this thread now..
 
Leonidae
whatever.. but, claiming that it's possible to do in GT4 what they do in ID is bit like claiming that Keanu Reeves can fly just because he could do so in the movie. but, I'm out of this thread now..
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How is it claiming? GT4 isn't like Real life has nothing like real life and about Keanu Reeves doing that...he might be the ONE. This is why this is a GT4 drifting thread. I can understand if this is in a IRL Drifting forum, then let the flame come to me.. just drop it.. as I said before, Im not going to make a big fuss over it.
 
I never said you could do all of what you saw in Initial D in real life, I just said that some things in Initial D are physically possible in the real world. I'm not really talking about the first stage either, I'm talking about some of the presentations of the drifts in the fourth stage where there is a much higher possibility of being able to pull those drifts off. Regardless, don't bring up first stage. It's already been brought up, but there's 20-30 seconds watching the person pull off the drift, like the famous "find a pack and light one while drifting" scene with bunta. We already get how that's highly fictional. But lay off the arguement, I think the main point has already gotten across that what you see in Initial D is not going to happen in GT4. My original reference wasn't to GT4, but I should've clarified everything by saying so. Sorry for starting any sort of arguement.
 
hmm...
ive kinda gotten the hang of the drifting(same evo w/ same settings), i THINK

1. slow down
2. countersteer a lil bit
3. ebrake
4. keep the wheels pointed towards the line
5. hold/mash the throttle

its not quite perfect yet, cuz i stop oversteering at the --almost end-- of the drift on the long corners

on the S turns, i usually drift:
-middle of the road => inner sideo f the corner => outter side (usually tend to understeer at this point or simply hit the wall with the rear of my car)

is this how a drift should be like? (its not quite perfect yet)

still think i should go practice on the FR/stock cars?

or

should i jsut keep practice on my evo w/o the knowledge about anything (think i got the hang of it, just repeated practice n ill get the drifts 100%)
-maybe, unless im drifting wrong

PS: i really appreciate the advices n comments
 
4wd drifting has got to be the easist of all for me. all you have to do is either weight shift and ebrake or turn hard and ebrake and mash the throttle and your fine. try using high hp cars like say a subaru with around 400-500hp and n2 tires (with a little bit of suspension tuning. i like it soft). its really easy and really fun. also since ive been playing xlink for a little bit ive had to get used to stock 4wd drifting. still pretty easy but i recomend the hyundai clix with n2's for stock 4wd drifting
 
Hey you know he is right about 4wd drifting.
But a Evo GSR VIII is a great car for practicing. Mostly because a 4wd divides its power across 4 wheels if you would drive a FR car then you'll get long-hauling burnouts. And they spin-out a lot more. So if you're a learner( try it )just keep it in second, around 5000 RPM and turn a bit away from the corner and back in(weight shift). Then use your gas pedal like crazy(all wheel burnout). If your speed falls too low you'll get a stall,then just turn the car by countersteering out.

It is quite easy on N1 tyres and around 381 BHP. (Trial mountain/Midfield Recommended) And the Nissan skyline R34 pacecar(PC) is dream for drifting, just install a level 2 turbo and N1 !!
 
Reading this thread made me keen to try 4wd drifting, I gave it a try with R34, R32 skylines and one or two subaru's.
I found it was really easy to drift once into it but to get the car to corner was another story, no matter what I did the cars refused to turn quickly or easily.
What exactly is it I'm missing? Is this a characteristic of 4wd's or have I got to work on weight transfer more?
 
with my setups 4wd's turn like a boat. especially the evo's, thats why i tend to stick with subaru. but your problem from what i can think is that you have to turn before you would normally anticipate to turn. happens to me on some corners. but i dont usually weight shift either. either you have to weight shift earlier so you can be able to go into the drift when you would normally anticipate or like me, turn hard and hit the ebrake a little earlier than usual.
 
Nice one, thats really good advice but it just so happens I clicked onto that theory this weekend. I was just messing about and ended up realising that I had to turn much, much earlier.
I made good progress this weekend. I was quite pleased with myself.
 

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