A few questions

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I just recently started to try drifting. Mainly because I thought the Dodge Charger Super Bee would be a good drifter. It's fully modded with about 700hp and I would like to keep it that way if at all possible. I've been reading the settings FAQ for a couple days and it has helped me get a pretty good basic drift setting for the car. But I do have some problems. I can get the car to break loose just fine (it will spin the tires in 6th gear) but on the exit of the corner when I try to correct the drift, the car seems too jerky. Like it over reacts and it tends to spin. My question is what could I do to fix this. I was thinking that it might be the shock bound or rebound but I'm not exactly sure.I dont want anyone to give me setting, I just want some input on what I should do. Thanks for the help in advance.
 
Well, first I would suggest you try searching a little for your topic. It's a very common problem/question raised by new drifters in GT4.

But since you say you have infact read the faq, and you posed your question intelligently with correct grammar, and no typos, I think I'll try to give you a hand right here.

Yes, softening the suspension will make the car a bit more forgiving. Dropping the stabilizers a few ticks may be all you need to do to correct this problem temporarily. But doing so does come with it's drawbacks. You'll find the car is less nimble through complex sections and might be reluctant to link a right into a left quickly.

The only sure solution is to practice more. GT4 is extremely sensitive to steering input, so learn your car's limits. You have to control your drift with the smallest possible countersteering angle that you can (although a larger angle does look more showy, I must admit). This snapback you refer to comes from countersteering to heavily as the car is exitting the drift.

Whatever you do, do not switch cars. Feel free to play with the settings (one at a time) to become accustomed to how settings changes affect car performance and your driving style. But do not switch from car to car. Become acquainted with the one you have.

Lastly, and this is more personal opinion than anything, you might find it more comfortable for the moment to reduce your hp. Drifting at or under 300hp will remove a lot of the throttle control from the equation, so more of your attention can be focussed on your steering until you improve.

Happy drifting, and keep up the clean posting 👍
We don't get a lot of that from members new to the drift forum.
 
Thanks for the advice, I'll try it right now as I sit here and surf the GTP and play GT4 at the same time :dopey: And thanks for the commets on my post, I usually lurk around and just post every once and awhile. I try to keep everything clean because I don't like looking like a moron :sly:
 
heheheh, Im very hyper right now....but if you have more questions fill free to PM the veterans
 
I loosened the suspension and put some weight ballast in the front and that helped. Dont ask me how but it still needs some work. I figured out that if I put the car in 6th gear with the tires spinning, it makes drifting easier but after the apex it seems to be over responsive. I think part of the problem is I'm still thinking in grip terms. Maybe by the end of the week I'll be doing better.
 
I usually tune the gearing to have the first 3 gears spinning tires, then it will catch traction on 4th. So when I enter a corner I use 2nd - 3rd gear, when I exit if the car gets too nervous I upshift to 4th so it regains tractions.
 
nos2
I usually tune the gearing to have the first 3 gears spinning tires, then it will catch traction on 4th. So when I enter a corner I use 2nd - 3rd gear, when I exit if the car gets too nervous I upshift to 4th so it regains tractions.
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I think that would work pretty good for most cars but I have all the gears on this car set fot the highest possible gearing and it still spins them.
 
I can't say that I've looked on the forums and not seen someone mention this, but try adjusting the weight balance for stable drifts you can link without changing the stabilizers as which Boundary Layer pointed out will make the car react less nimble.
This may not work for you keep practicing, this car is heavy don't lighten it tell you can drift it in its normal condition, then once you are comfortable with the car and how it reacts then change the weight/body rigidity as this will make the car respoind very quickly due to added body control and weight loss, obviously :dopey:. Hope this helps you and good luck drifting.
 
Boz Mon
I think that would work pretty good for most cars but I have all the gears on this car set fot the highest possible gearing and it still spins them.
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You might want to de-tune it a bit then. I had to de-tune the Ford GT LM from 900+hp to only 606hp. It makes controlling it easier.
 
Best to learn to drift a low powered car first, it means you have to try other things than just power oversteer - anyone with a lead foot can do that.
 
BL nailed it...

Softenning the suspension components will help smooth out the control issues... Yet, lowering the power will help even more... What tires are you using?...

BTW, adding ballast to the front of a front engined car, is a bit counterproductive... Adding ballast to the rear will help balance the car out by equalling out the weight distribution... 50/50 weight distribution being the goal...

You can even change the handling characteristics by moving the ballast slider all the way to the right, but leave the weight at "0"... Sort of like moving the battery to the trunk...





;)
 
Delphic Reason
You can even change the handling characteristics by moving the ballast slider all the way to the right, but leave the weight at "0"... Sort of like moving the battery to the trunk...
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yup, that works wonders on cars that possess strong over/understeering traits in their stock form.
 
Yea, the ballast weight works well. I added 40kg/-40% to the Ford GT, it reduced the car's tendency to snp oversteer. Much smoother now.
 
Boundary Layer
yup, that works wonders on cars that possess strong over/understeering traits in their stock form.
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BS. That is called the placebo effect.

I tested it out in a experiment on one of my friends who is a GT3/GT4 ADDICT. He didn't notice any diffenence in any of the 9 cars I tested, And I used MR, FR, AWD, RR, race cars, stock cars, fully modded cars, everything. I had him do three runs with each car on the same track, drifting and gripping in each run and changed the ballast settings each run. I varied it up so he couldn't assum what I did. Every time he said the car behaved the same as it did stock when the wieght was at 0kg and the ballast was all the way to the rear. But a HUGE diffenence when the wieght was 200kg, with ballast in the rear.

So yeah, it only works wonders because you expect it to. It actually does nothing except make you drive different. It's all in your head man. lol
 
rsmithdrift
BS. That is called the placebo effect.
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I was concerned about that at first - but I ran the same test as you guys did with my roomate on a RUF and I was able to accurately predict which way he had moved the slider between my runs.

give the last few posts by sukerkin a read in the following thread: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=60369
At this point I place much more stock in his comments and thorough testing than that of you and your friends. Particularly because I can sense the same change in handling that he has (as do a good many other folk I've observed in the settings and tuning forum)

[and of course there is a HUGE difference when adding 200kg to any car]
 
Boundary Layer
I was concerned about that at first - but I ran the same test as you guys did with my roomate on a RUF and I was able to accurately predict which way he had moved the slider between my runs.

give the last few posts by sukerkin a read in the following thread: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=60369
At this point I place much more stock in his comments and thorough testing than that of you and your friends. Particularly because I can sense the same change in handling that he has (as do a good many other folk I've observed in the settings and tuning forum)

[and of course there is a HUGE difference when adding 200kg to any car]
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My results were similar...





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I doubt 0kg would make a noticeable difference tho. But anything from 40kg and up I do feel a difference. I don't have any friends that are into GT4 drifting so I can't really verify it tho.
 
Adding balast to a car makes a big difference - at least in real life. Don't believe me? Go load up the boot/trunk/whatever-you-call-it-in-your-part-of-the-world with stuff and drive round some twisty roads.
 
Mad Murphy NZ
Adding balast to a car makes a big difference - at least in real life. Don't believe me? Go load up the boot/trunk/whatever-you-call-it-in-your-part-of-the-world with stuff and drive round some twisty roads.
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that could possibly be a bad idea, just be safe if you do anything like that.
the bad thing about ballast in gt4 is we have no way to tell the weight distribution. either stock or modified. which doesnt help while tuning the ballast.
ive never messed with it, so i cant say anything about it.
 

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