A humble request for help RE: Rallying

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I am terrible at rallying. It does not suit my driving style at all. I'm a break in a straight line, turn in and throttle through the apex kind of guy.

Please, please, please give me some tips, or links to resources. I was pretty good at Colin Mcrae on the PSone, so there is some hope, right? Right?

Thanks in advance. I'm all ears (eyes).
 
Go in extra wide, turn in much sharper than normal, counter-steer much earlier, and press hard (multiple times) on the accelerator until you "feel" the car going in the direction you want it to. At least, this formula worked in all previous GT iterations.
 
Hey man, that style can work in rallying also, just take a look at Loeb, he is very contained, rarely sideways. the trick is to minimise wheelspin, be gentle with the throttle and stay neat and tidy and you will be fine, the car doesn't need to be sliding.
 
Like JamboGT said above, you don't need to be going sideways. In fact, if you do go sideways too much, it will not help, as when you exit the corner the throttle has to gain some 'momentum' through the gear you're in, slowing you down. Make sure to brake enough into the corner, slowly accelerate through the corner and when near exiting, accelerate as hard as possible.
 
Yes, to go fast in rallying you can't be sliding all the time. You have to work the throttle more to get it in the direction you want to go, but after that try feathering it more to regain as much traction as possible. Also try turning in a lot earlier than you think you need to. Learn the Scandinavian Flick! It's one of the rally driver's most useful techniques.
 
Maybe that is my problem, I think I have to be almost facing sideways on every turn. I find that the car just doesn't want to turn in if I try to use a circuit style of driving. Am I just going in too hot?
 
You can drive a rally-car like a circuit car but only like you'd drive at maybe 7/10 limit. Don't push the car and you'll be fine.

The worst part of rallying is the braking ability - just make sure you are slowed down well before the corner and you're good to go.

I love Richard Burns Rally and will be going back to it very soon, I think!
 
When in doubt, I try and slow down my pace a bit. The co-driver does seem to give the instructions a bit late for my tastes. Maybe it's a setup issue, but the car feels like it is floating well above the gravel surface (tall, narrow and not sitting on the ground), snow feels a bit better. I get a similar feeling (but far more pronounced) in the NASCAR special events. I can't put my finger on it, but the NASCAR and Rally special events just feel different than the rest of the game somehow.
 
When in doubt, I try and slow down my pace a bit. The co-driver does seem to give the instructions a bit late for my tastes. Maybe it's a setup issue, but the car feels like it is floating well above the gravel surface (tall, narrow and not sitting on the ground), snow feels a bit better. I get a similar feeling (but far more pronounced) in the NASCAR special events. I can't put my finger on it, but the NASCAR and Rally special events just feel different than the rest of the game somehow.

FINALLY, Someone else that thinks that the pacenotes are LATE as hell.

Ok As far as rallying, I consider myself an avid rally driver. I have done a lot of time on games and recently some time on my car. I am going to post some things here, but if you have a chance to go through the Richard Burns Rally game, and the Richard burns rally, then it will help a lot.

One thing that I use is that rally cars are like boats or jetskis, they only turn when you give them gas. When you are in slipery surfaces, you have to steer with the acceleration and the wheel is used in as follow 40% for set up the turn, 40% for correcting oversteer the other 20% is the normal turning you see on a road car or tarmac rally.

Weight transfer is very important in rally. When you transfer the weight to the front of the car (hence gravel rally setup suspension is softer than on tarmac) the front wheels will have more grip and there you can start the turn entry. There is two ways of doing this. Lift of oversteer, which is when you lift of the gas all at once in one motion while entering the turn and as soon as your rear end comes around you are back in the power. (Use this for turns that are 4 or higher or faster turns) The other way is to use left foot braking which will move the weight to the front of the tires and thus giving you more traction in the front to start the over steering. Then just control the power slide with gas modulation and wheel correction.

Another turn is the Scandinavian flick which takes a lot of practice to perfect but once you can put the car into a controlled slide and get out of it, then you can start playing with the flick which is very useful on 90 degree corners or wide hairpins. As far as hand brake turns go, just use them when your rear end dint come far enough and you need a litle edge or when you are going into a tight hairpin

Like someone said earlier, you can be a smooth driver like Loeb who does not gets sideways too much or you can always be side ways like the great Mackinen or McRae.

Also, try to link turn as much as possible. For example you are coming out of a left 3 with some overseer and into a right 2, well, use that sideways momentum and flick it with a linked Scandinavian flick.

The most important thing to keep in mind is that when driving rally, specially gravel or snow, if you are not on the gas, brake, or hand brake, then you are not in control.

Just get into a nice track and play with the over steering. You will either over steer too much and spin, or over compensate too much and spin the opposite way. Have fun with it, and once you get it, it will become second nature. I know this post is long but I am crazy about rally.

my psn is juan3268 if you ever want to go online we can do some rallying
 
You can drive a rally-car like a circuit car but only like you'd drive at maybe 7/10 limit. Don't push the car and you'll be fine.

The worst part of rallying is the braking ability - just make sure you are slowed down well before the corner and you're good to go.

I love Richard Burns Rally and will be going back to it very soon, I think!

Hahaha, its funny to see how RBR was produced so long ago, and still there isnt a game that tops it. I am a RBR guy too. Nothing like it. I was hoping that GT5 will steer me away from RBR, but it does not seem like is happening. WRC2010 did not, and well, I guess I may give Dirt3 a chance.
 
Haha, yeah. I failed to mention that the "technique" I mentioned is based on the corner you approach. I watch WRC, so I do know Loeb, Hirvonen, Latvala... All the great drivers change their technique depending on surface and the corner they are approaching. I don't drive a "Ken Block" style.
 
Thanks juan3268 and everyone else. This advice is golden. I'll add you tonight, I usually play after 7-8pm EST, so I'm not sure if our playing habits match. Keep it coming!
 
Check your tires if you struggle in the rallies. I didn't win my first rally because I was on the wrong tires.
 
Hahaha, its funny to see how RBR was produced so long ago, and still there isnt a game that tops it. I am a RBR guy too. Nothing like it. I was hoping that GT5 will steer me away from RBR, but it does not seem like is happening. WRC2010 did not, and well, I guess I may give Dirt3 a chance.

It boggles my mind that nothing has ever come close... RBR is still the go to for punishingly awesome rally racing...
 
I am terrible at rallying. It does not suit my driving style at all. I'm a break in a straight line, turn in and throttle through the apex kind of guy.

Please, please, please give me some tips, or links to resources. I was pretty good at Colin Mcrae on the PSone, so there is some hope, right? Right?

Thanks in advance. I'm all ears (eyes).

whoa... back it up... aren't you from Canada? you probably use snow/rally techniques more then you know! hahaha :lol:
 
One other tip maybe - I was really struggling with the Eiger Loeb challenge until I switched off TC.

I figured TC would help, but those uphill tight turns in the second half of the course just killed my time because the car would basically grind to halt presumably because the TC was stopping any wheel spin. Without TC, I could drive the car up those turns much easier.

Rotor.
 
Check your tires if you struggle in the rallies. I didn't win my first rally because I was on the wrong tires.

Oh wait, it doesnt switch automatically to Dirt tires? :O That could be why I had such a hard time with my Delta Integrale. I thought I just sucked with my red rally car and now I can imagine why ^^
 
I have the rally special events unlocked, but what would be a good car to start with to learn the basics?
 
I have the rally special events unlocked, but what would be a good car to start with to learn the basics?

The Mini Cooper S did me fairly well, despite being new to rallying.
 
I blew the competition away on the beginner series with my Mitsubishi 3000GT SL, bone stock. Even though the snow race says it's for FF cars, you can use any drivetrain you want.
 
All of the above.

Just one thing, don't learn rallying in a non-sliding fashion. Because Rally gives you the freedom of easy drifting under extremely controlled conditions; there honestly is no fun in gently driving around a rally course without creating lots of dust! :D
 
There are essentially three schools in Rallying

First: be Finnish, you go faster
If you're a mere mortal like the rest of us non-Finns. you can either adopt the Loeb approach and use the circuit racing guidelines to tackle a stage but you'll just have to change your understanding of braking points slightly.
Or there's the Petter Solberg ideology which demands you throw the Rally Car into the corner and "feel" your way through
 
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