A loyal fan. . .

[LancerEvoXGTSR]

So, I don't want this to become another "I hate GT5!" or "GT5 sucks!" kind of threat.

I just wanted to share (and maybe somebody else does) what I actually feel as a long time fan of the series.

I agree with many others in some points:

-GT5 is not the best game in the series.
-GT5 stayed in developement for far too long.
-Kazunori might have lose a little bit of vision about the game (I mean, he was racing at Nurburgring at the same time XD).
-GT5's progression is hard and not very well balanced (although I don't think is as bad as many people thinks).
-The level system and the premium/standar division are not good characteristics in a racing game.
-We were hoping more of this installment.

Also, I agee in some other points:

-Gran Turismo, and 5 is not the exception, remains ahead of any other competition (Forza is the closest in my opinion) in the driving simulation department.
-GT5 can be extremely fun and challenging.
-GT5 keeps the unique style of the series and provides an unique experience (I think that games like Shift or Test Drive Unlimited are very good games but only for execution and not for originality).
-If you truly love cars, GT5 is the game to own in this generation (The level of detail, like in the cars description, does what others don't seem to achieve).
-GT6 must be a much greater game.

But I think that the most important point, for me at least, is the fact that after 4 "A+" games and countless hours of fun, passion and excitement about automobiles, I, as a loyal (and optimist if you like) fan, can give GT another chance. I mean, after all, you'd have to be really crazy to catalogue GT5 as truly "bad" game.

As they say, you learn more from defeat than from victory, and I think that, with my previous experience in the series, GT5, besides from being, still, a great game, might teach PD a lot.

In a few words, don't be so hard on it, you know you still love it , and GT6 should be awesome.

Anyway, just saying what I think as a loyal fan of the series. Back on the track, my CALSONIC GTR awaits.

By the way, sorry for my terrible english

 

[GTWelsh]

GT5 is great and lets all remember PD built it from SCRATCH (besides the 800 standard cars) lol, that wasnt supposed to sound sarcastic, it does anyway xD

Anyway, they all had to be tweaked to get over as well (physics for example)

I'm just hoping that GT6 will be EPIC. Because I'm sure PD will concentrate on the game play more now the base has been built.


p.s. To all you haters ... I'm not just a, "now its out, cant w8 for GT6" guy.

 

[Devedander]

Hey feel how you like, it's up to you! Wanna be forever optomistic? That's fine... just don't use it to try and tell other people why they are wrong or to counter legitimate facts (not saying you did, just don't).

Maybe GT6 will be great!

Honestly though, I am not holding hopes out... GT5P was great for what it was, but really it was the odd numbered GT... at this point GT5 should really have been GT6. GT5P was the GT3 to GT5's GT4.

Then there was GTPSP... that was writing on the wall if you ask me... PD dumped the meat and potatoes and tried to do new things at the expense of what made GT so great...

GT5 only drove home the message in my book that PD has started going in a very wrong direction... I don't know why... maybe their ways are dated, maybe they are overworked, maybe Kaz is stretched too thin with marketing, advertising and real racing to stack on top of the more than full time job of making a great GT game... maybe T10 really did throw a scare into PD and helped them realize that the genre DOES need to grow (albeit in a different direction than PD went with GT5)...

All I know is fool me once, shame on you (GTPSP) fool me twice shame on me...

I am not saying I won't buy GT6, but I sure as heck am not gonna be buying a PS4 in preparation for it like I did with PS3 for GT5.

 

[freight48]

Cool. Another one...

 

[Patrocles]

So, I don't want this to become another "I hate GT5!" or "GT5 sucks!" kind of threat.

I just wanted to share (and maybe somebody else does) what I actually feel as a long time fan of the series.

I agree with many others in some points:

-GT5 is not the best game in the series.
-GT5 stayed in developement for far too long.
-Kazunori might have lose a little bit of vision about the game (I mean, he was racing at Nurburgring at the same time XD).
-GT5's progression is hard and not very well balanced (although I don't think is as bad as many people thinks).
-The level system and the premium/standar division are not good characteristics in a racing game.
-We were hoping more of this installment.

Also, I agee in some other points:

-Gran Turismo, and 5 is not the exception, remains ahead of any other competition (Forza is the closest in my opinion) in the driving simulation department.
-GT5 can be extremely fun and challenging.
-GT5 keeps the unique style of the series and provides an unique experience (I think that games like Shift or Test Drive Unlimited are very good games but only for execution and not for originality).
-If you truly love cars, GT5 is the game to own in this generation (The level of detail, like in the cars description, does what others don't seem to achieve).
-GT6 must be a much greater game.

But I think that the most important point, for me at least, is the fact that after 4 "A+" games and countless hours of fun, passion and excitement about automobiles, I, as a loyal (and optimist if you like) fan, can give GT another chance. I mean, after all, you'd have to be really crazy to catalogue GT5 as truly "bad" game.

As they say, you learn more from defeat than from victory, and I think that, with my previous experience in the series, GT5, besides from being, still, a great game, might teach PD a lot.

In a few words, don't be so hard on it, you know you still love it , and GT6 should be awesome.

Anyway, just saying what I think as a loyal fan of the series. Back on the track, my CALSONIC GTR awaits.

By the way, sorry for my terrible english

Nice post. The bold is my emphasis for I think GT6 will say a lot about PD/Sony and if they listen to the masses (or at least GTP).

Do you think PD maybe is getting burned out (tired) of the GT series and misstepped with making GT5? I wonder this because another game series I am passionate about is the WWII ground tactical games of Combat Mission. The first three games were excellent, but the makers made a lot of changes when they released the fourth game Combat Mission Shock Force (CMSF). This game turned out to be a big pile of steaming, smelly bytes! Critics and fans were very dissapionted. However, after that misstep is appears the next Combat Mission game due out this year (touch wood!) is back to capturing what made the first three CM games so good.

You English is fine, btw!

 

[LancerEvoXGTSR]

I agr

 

[LancerEvoXGTSR]

GT5 is great and lets all remember PD built it from SCRATCH (besides the 800 standard cars) lol, that wasnt supposed to sound sarcastic, it does anyway xD

Anyway, they all had to be tweaked to get over as well (physics for example)

I'm just hoping that GT6 will be EPIC. Because I'm sure PD will concentrate on the game play more now the base has been built.


p.s. To all you haters ... I'm not just a, "now its out, cant w8 for GT6" guy.

I agree with you. I remember reading an interview about GT4 (I don't recall if it was Kazunori or some other producer) in which he said that the pair numbers were their favorites because they didn't have to use too much time or resources in new technology, new models or new engines; giving them a lot more time to work on improving the previous gameplay and the overall experience.

I think that, like GT4, GT6 could be one of the final and best games of its generation. And no, I'm not an "I want the new one already" kind of guy.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

I think that, like GT4, GT6 could be one of the final and best games of its generation. And no, I'm not an "I want the new one already" kind of guy.

Here's to hoping your right. 👍

I am a "I want the new one already" kind of guy, since GT5 IMO doesn't come close to that level.

 

[the Interceptor]

Hey feel how you like, it's up to you! Wanna be forever optomistic? That's fine... just don't use it to try and tell other people why they are wrong or to counter legitimate facts (not saying you did, just don't).

Maybe GT6 will be great!

Honestly though, I am not holding hopes out... GT5P was great for what it was, but really it was the odd numbered GT... at this point GT5 should really have been GT6. GT5P was the GT3 to GT5's GT4.

Then there was GTPSP... that was writing on the wall if you ask me... PD dumped the meat and potatoes and tried to do new things at the expense of what made GT so great...

GT5 only drove home the message in my book that PD has started going in a very wrong direction... I don't know why... maybe their ways are dated, maybe they are overworked, maybe Kaz is stretched too thin with marketing, advertising and real racing to stack on top of the more than full time job of making a great GT game... maybe T10 really did throw a scare into PD and helped them realize that the genre DOES need to grow (albeit in a different direction than PD went with GT5)...

All I know is fool me once, shame on you (GTPSP) fool me twice shame on me...

I am not saying I won't buy GT6, but I sure as heck am not gonna be buying a PS4 in preparation for it like I did with PS3 for GT5.

As serious as I can be: you took the words right out of my mouth. This is exactly like I feel. Well said! 👍

By now, I see this situation in a mild light ... I feel no pressure about the next Gran Turismo anymore. I am surely going to be looking at what it's going to be very closely, but I'm not holding my breath. On the one hand that's very sad, but on the other hand it's kind of relaxing, too.

 

[Destinkeys]

If PD can't patch what we already have into a good game, what are the odds that GT6 will be any good..? Let's face it, they got the two main things right... driving physics and (within the limits that the PS3 can accomplish) graphics.

Now they need to patch it into a good GAME. It doesn't take an entirely new game. It just will take PD abandoning their policy of dropping everything that we loved about GT4, and replacing it (if they replaced it at all) with things we hate.

I, for one, am CERTAINLY not giving them another penny of my money if GT5 isn't patched into something at LEAST as good as GT4. GT5 sold like hotcakes because we expected something as good as GT4, but leveraged for the PS3. What we got was something WAY inferior (as a game) than GT4.

GT6 is going to sell poorly, because we have now come to expect that PD will bring out a WORSE game than the previous one (they just did that, it seems only reasonable to anticipate it again).

Unless this is patched into a GT4 beater by the time GT6 comes out.

Ball's in PD's court.

 

[Tvensky]

GT5 is best for me of all series! Good old days are "good old days now" I will never forget them, but lets move on, now my favotite game is GT5, he have his problems like puberty, but he is growing fast and he is smarter then the old ones

 

[Destinkeys]

GT5 is best for me of all series! Good old days are "good old days now" I will never forget them, but lets move on, now my favotite game is GT5, he have his problems like puberty, but he is growing fast and he is smarter then the old ones

Thing is, I didn't buy the game expecting a child. I had every reason to expect something MORE grown up than GT4.

I'm sorry, but I don't see smarter, and I see little growth. In fact, with the last update, I see regression (AI is even WORSE, now!), and I certainly haven't seen one fix to the main complaints (the grind and the AI).

Let's be honest. If GT4 played on your PS3, which game would you prefer to play? The one with 500+ events, or the one with little more than 100?

 

[the Interceptor]

I have my doubts GT5 will be patched that massively. I'm sure they'll bring some more patches which fix bugs and change a couple of things, and they'll keep on updating the seasonals. But that's about it in my opinion, the rest will come with GT6.

Am I still a loyal fan? Some people of this board would say I'm not. I claim I still am. But I'm also a realist. Should GT6 be released for the PS3 and be any better than GT5, I'm pretty sure I will buy it. Should they aim for the PS4, and there is no other reason to buy the console, GT6 would have to be pretty good for me to get it. It's in your hands, PD, make the best of it!

 

[NLxAROSA]

Then there was GTPSP... that was writing on the wall if you ask me... PD dumped the meat and potatoes and tried to do new things at the expense of what made GT so great...

I partially agree. Too many people come from GT4 and skipped GT5P and GTPSP and are completely surprised by what happened, ignoring the fact there were two GT releases that showed quite clearly (though granted, mostly retrospective) what direction GT was heading in.

As for GT PSP: The economic system in GT PSP offline is actually better, despite lack of a career mode. At least it gives you the opportunity to pick a car, track, number of laps and earn money with it. And that's more freedom than we get in GT5.

Still, I think GT5 lacks mostly in balancing and tweaking (e.g. XP/Credits or Online), it has a solid core. Playing online with my friends is immensely fun (despite the bugs). 👍

 

[Tvensky]

Thing is, I didn't buy the game expecting a child. I had every reason to expect something MORE grown up than GT4.

I'm sorry, but I don't see smarter, and I see little growth. In fact, with the last update, I see regression (AI is even WORSE, now!), and I certainly haven't seen one fix to the main complaints (the grind and the AI).

Let's be honest. If GT4 played on your PS3, which game would you prefer to play? The one with 500+ events, or the one with little more than 100?

you have a point but I have GT4 on my PS3, I have FAT 60 Gb, i sometimes play GT4, but I have to say, first impresions when I buyed it, was way better then they are now, the AI is worst ever nowdays.. he not just not see you like in GT5, but in GT4 he just ram you without any braking whatsoever, In GT5 AI now can at least break and "try" stupidly to avoid player.. but yes the events on GT4 are "epic" I was so surprised when I saw events in GT5, first thing went into my head was "this just couldn't be it, this is not GT, this is some mistake" but for my mistake it wasnt my mistake..
Edit: ohh yes and the bigest dissapointment was there wasnt any restrictions, just sometimes FF or FR... lol

PS. but the driving simulator is still there, and now we have ONLINE and every week waited Seasonal events!

 

[pay2021]

Cool. Another one...

I think the same, maybe it's a sign!!! or maybe nothing...

 

[brambos]

and every week waited Seasonal events!

You're right... every week we're waiting for the Seasonal events, but updates are becoming rarer and less frequent every week. And to make matters worse: they expire and disappear, whereas they could have been a nice gradual addition to the lackluster A-Spec event selection.

PD are so inconsistent it would have been funny if it wasn't our beloved Gran Turismo series we're talking about here.

 

[Samus]

GT5 is great and lets all remember PD built it from SCRATCH (besides the 800 standard cars) lol, that wasnt supposed to sound sarcastic, it does anyway xD

What? They built hardly anything from scratch. Most of the tracks were imported, the cars were mostly imported and most of the back end and game modes were the same. They even have the same events with the same names as GT2. What exactly did they build from scratch that excuses them because it's new?

 

[Fredde_swe]

Wonder how many threads of this kind we will see this year.

I don't hate GT5, but..........

I think one thread is enough.

 

[NLxAROSA]

What exactly did they build from scratch that excuses them because it's new?

The economy and leveling system is new.

 

[sumbrownkid]

A loyal fan can also acknowledge any deficiencies.

GT5 has some work to do in overall quality as a gamer's game, but as a driver's game, it found its footing.