A NASCAR that sponsors Sony's rival company :P

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I'm not too surprised that Microsoft hasn't even filed a lawsuit against Sony for using their trademark on the game which is located on this picture shown at the top. Then again people have rights to put whatever trademark/logo on any game since Forza Motorsport allowed other users to put logo's like Sega's, Nintendo's, Sony's, etc. franchises.

PC mods or custom skins had allowed other trademarks to be slapped on a car. Trackmania being one of the examples that custom decals have been slapped on with the GT Academy decals.

This is the same case when you play the Xbox 360 version of Race Driver Grid, when you drive the Aston Martin DBR9 in the Le Mans Event, you'll come across a Playstation logo. It's was amusing at first when I was impressed to see people using logos based on other game franchises.

What do you think? Do you think it's all fine since they use any sponsor trademark on any game, even if it's exclusive or multi-platform?
 
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I'm assuming they have the license/permission to use Microsoft's logo. Infineon's logo is blurred off of a car so if they didn't have permission to use Microsoft's I think they would do similar or replace it.
 
Speaking of blurring, the 'Coors Light Pole' decal is illegible on the #42. That censoring is not unlike the F2007, which is completely missing it's Marlboro barcode.
 
There's two reasons it's there.

Firstly, it's called sponsorship. Company pays to put their logo on a car, to promote the company.

Secondly, SONY obviously has the rights to NASCAR. All sponsors agree to hand over the licensing rights to the NASCAR administration, to do with what they will. By being part of NASCAR, they get lumped in with every other piece of IP (car shapes, performance, appearances, driver likeness and what not) that can be licensed out for movies/games/etc.


Forza can get away with custom cars with logos and branding simply because, outside of the least moderation possible, they have a "we don't care" attitude. Legally this makes a lot of sense, because then nobody has any precedent to go after you if you let a SONY logo slip through and be (shock!) visible online on a tuned Nissan GTR. Also, 'no real expectations' is a fairly easy level to maintain when it comes to moderation.
 
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There's two reasons it's there.

Firstly, it's called sponsorship. Company pays to put their logo on a car, to promote the company.

Secondly, SONY obviously has the rights to NASCAR. All sponsors agree to hand over the licensing rights to the NASCAR administration, to do with what they will. By being part of NASCAR, they get lumped in with every other piece of IP (car shapes, performance, appearances, driver likeness and what not) that can be licensed out for movies/games/etc.


Forza can get away with custom cars with logos and branding simply because, outside of the least moderation possible, they have a "we don't care" attitude. Legally this makes a lot of sense, because then nobody has any precedent to go after you if you let a SONY logo slip through and be (shock!) visible online on a tuned Nissan GTR. Also, 'no real expectations' is a fairly easy level to maintain when it comes to moderation.
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Actually Sony does not. Thats Eutechnyx who also have the Dodge's and the full field.
 
It will serve no purpose at all to remove the logo, on the other hand is (probably) free advertisement.....
and btw MS isnt just the X-Box.
 
Furinkazen
Actually Sony does not. Thats Eutechnyx who also have the Dodge's and the full field.
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Actually, the NASCAR license is non-exclusive. Meaning, nobody has sole possession, anybody that gets permission to use it for a game, can. Just because Eutechnyx is using it doesn't mean someone else can't make another full NASCAR game. So, if PD, Turn 10, or anyone else wanted to make a NASCAR game, they could.
 
I think the reason the coors and marlboro things were removed is because they are age restricted products. Including them in the game would most likely have raised the esrb rating. Same with some of the missing graffiti on nurb.
 
I agree with Caz there that seems the most plausible explanation for them :)
 
Caz
I think the reason the coors and marlboro things were removed is because they are age restricted products. Including them in the game would most likely have raised the esrb rating. Same with some of the missing graffiti on nurb.
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Which is why people are censorship friendly, to me it's kinda stupid in my eyes.

But moving on to the point of NASCAR license, some people have forgotten that EA used to have the license until their license expired in 2009 (Which was included the budget cuts).
 
I don't see the problem here. Microsoft is only a rival to Sony in certain areas. For example, its very likely many Sony offices are using Microsoft products on their computers. So I don't see why it is anything of note that a Sony product contains one small Microsoft logo on a car that is quite clearly branded with official and real sponsorship. Especially as its an ordinay Microsoft logo, rather than an XBox or XBox360 logo.

But all this is covered anyway by the fact that GT is reproducing real cars and environments - anything that is included from a supposed rival company is incidental and largely irrelevant. Its sort of in the best interests of both companies to leave such logos as they are rather than attempting some petty removal.

I guess people have already forgotten another rival company, Sega-Sammy, being present on the start-finish line at Fuji Speedway? What about Sony's various rivals in electronics? Panasonic? Philips?
 
Furinkazen
Actually Sony does not. Thats Eutechnyx who also have the Dodge's and the full field.
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Alright let me rephrase: Sony has A nascar license. Because it has actual nascars in the game, and presumably they were sanctioned.


Ardius is right; Sony has other relations with MS, and many other corporations.
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SWEET I didn't know USG was on those! My dad works at a local plant for them and he said that the Nascar they have has been in the plant before. So he pretty much supported his company that he works for by buying GT5 for me lol.
 
The Lancias are also censored.

The Stratos has the Alitalia logos replaced (lost licensing), and the Deltas have white blocks over the letters on the Martini logos.

(Talking about the coors light logo and the infineon logo)
 
Ardius
So I don't see why it is anything of note that a Sony product contains one small Microsoft logo on a car that is quite clearly branded with official and real sponsorship. Especially as its an ordinay Microsoft logo, rather than an XBox or XBox360 logo.
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Well imagine if it had an Xbox 360 logo on there as an official sponsor, some people might go insane :P
 
tubers93
Which is why people are censorship friendly, to me it's kinda stupid in my eyes.

But moving on to the point of NASCAR license, some people have forgotten that EA used to have the license until their license expired in 2009 (Which was included the budget cuts).
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I didn't forget about EA, just didn't mention it because its a mute point since they no longer have it.
 
It took me a while to find the Microsoft logo on the car. If you are looking for it its right in front of the back wheel.
 
In aus at least, there is a full ban on advertisements for cigarettes, and I'd assume its fairly common practice in Europe, hence the malboro censorship.
 
Happens in other games to,

PES for example, PES has the champions league, and who is a major sponsor of that? Sony/Playstation. X360 version has that plastered all over the place when you play it.
 
It's really dissapointing that some great cars have lost their sponsors. If it wasn't for the sponsors those cars wouldn't of been raced. You can't be selective about history, especially important areas which for motorsports includes the sponsors that lead away from the widespread use of national colours on cars.

I can almost understand if it's due to difficulties obtaining permissions from the sponsors/manufacturers, but if it's due to restrictions for age related reasons or advertising bans that came into force after the cars were raced then it's very worrying, Especially as there are two Nazi Germany Military vehicles that some how are allowed?
 
maddog999
I can almost understand if it's due to difficulties obtaining permissions from the sponsors/manufacturers, but if it's due to restrictions for age related reasons or advertising bans that came into force after the cars were raced then it's very worrying, Especially as there are two Nazi Germany Military vehicles that some how are allowed?
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Those 2 Veedubs 'are allowed' because it's purely about those vehicles, there are no swastika flags attached and they were added because they are interesting in their own right (ofourse that's subjective), regardless under which regime they were build.
If that's a criteria to reckon with, then the Beetle shouldn't be allowed too, or the Auto-Union in GT4 (which at some point in real life did sport swastikas at either side).
In fact, if association with fascism should include brands too, there wouldn't be many cars left, including brands from the US (Ford and GM for example).
 
maddog999
It's really dissapointing that some great cars have lost their sponsors. If it wasn't for the sponsors those cars wouldn't of been raced. You can't be selective about history, especially important areas which for motorsports includes the sponsors that lead away from the widespread use of national colours on cars.

I can almost understand if it's due to difficulties obtaining permissions from the sponsors/manufacturers, but if it's due to restrictions for age related reasons or advertising bans that came into force after the cars were raced then it's very worrying, Especially as there are two Nazi Germany Military vehicles that some how are allowed?
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Because vehicles can't be nazis. Only people.
 
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Happens in other games to,

PES for example, PES has the champions league, and who is a major sponsor of that? Sony/Playstation. X360 version has that plastered all over the place when you play it.
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Exactly

Here's an interesting question, are there any rival trademarks slapped on the Nintendo Wii versions of any game related to sponsorships?
 
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In fact, if association with fascism should include brands too, there wouldn't be many cars left, including brands from the US (Ford and GM for example).
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Actually that's quite a good idea! No more Japanese cars! :sly:

It's really hard to explain, but the way i see it is that tobacco and alcohol sponsors on cars are no more wrong than the inclusion of those particular two cars.

Not that i have a problem with them being included, other than they're rubbish! :yuck: What's the point of an amphibious vehicle without a suitable course to race on!
 

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