A real sportscar

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Reading the thread about 4X4s in Gran Turismo made me recall a debate about what a sports car is, and isn't. It's fairly easy to say the Ferrari F430 is a sports car, but it's harder to say why. Is it the speed? The looks? Maybe because it's rear wheel drive, has only two seats, powered by petrol, or just because it's a Ferrari?

Moving down the scale to a 370z, car of the moment; most would agree that's also a sports car for much the same reasons, except of course the word 'Nissan' doesn't evoke quite the same visceral reaction in one's nether regions as Ferrari.

Then we get to the likes of the hot hatches, the Golf GTis, quick Hondas and the Focus. Now we have four or five seats, more doors, front wheel drive, and these cars aren't even designed from the ground up as sports cars. Do they still qualify? What if they have a diesel engine or an automatic gearbox? I think most people would still rate these vehicles as sports cars, if there was a measure of clear sporting intent in the design or maybe just looks.

Now what about 4X4s? Could a 2500kg offroader with low range be a sports car? Most would scoff, but why? What exactly is about the car that makes it not a sports car? Speed? Doors? Engine? And if it's diesel and automatic? Handling? (but try one before you claim that). Similarly, we have nondescript family cars with no apparent pretensions at 'sportiness' which as more than adequately quick.

It's a difficult decision, this definition of 'sports car'. You can't do it based on any objective criteria as for any measure you care to name someone can find cars which are 'sporty' that don't meet it, and 'non-sporty' than do.

To solve the problem I've created my own very simple definition. If I am driving a car and I have just a little extra time for the journey, do I start to feel an overpowering urge to take the long way home via the back roads? If I do, that's a sports car. If I want to get home as quickly as possible and hide the car in the garage, then it's not a sports car. It doesn't matter how fast the car is -- a sports car is just about driving pleasure, not a set of specifications.
 
I think what you have described is "Evoness...the thrill of driving"


;)
 
Yeah but a Ferarri on a rally track in GT5? on that type of track a 4x4 will feel like a sports car ;)
 
Strictly defined a sportscar for most people would be a two-seater Two-door rear wheel drive petrol-engined convertible/coupe with a high power to weight ratio, but there are exceptions ( For example the McLaren F1 had three seats and the late eighties Lotus Elan had front wheel drive, both are sports cars however).
But i think the term you might be looking for and which is commonly used is performance car as it includes all the examples you mentioned, even sportscars.
 
Quoted from Wiki: The term sports car "describes a class of automobile with two seats, two doors, precise handling, brisk acceleration, and sharp braking — trading practical considerations such as passenger space, comfort, and cargo capacity — for driving enjoyment."
IMO, I agree with the bold parts. For ex: a Mitsubishi Evo is a sport car to me even though it has 4 doors.
Also, you know you have a sport car when your insurance is ridiculously high.
 
A real sports car=500HP+/300KPM+

That's my opinion.

The most stupid thing i have ever heard! So to you a lotus Elise or Mazda RX7 isn't a sports car just because the don't have enough HP!
 
That's like asking, what is a "car"? In the sense that everybody has different perspectives and connotations when it comes to a term.

Terms like "Sports car" are just simplified ways to refer to something to somebody. As soon as the word leaves somebody else's mind or mouth, then the person who receives it is no longer receiving the idea directly from that person's mind, but receiving the idea directly from his or her own mind.
 
I used to follow low end saloon car racing..Ie the lower leagues before BTC (British touring car) . One of the lower events on the card was 2CV racing...yes on proper tracks with proper rules...Any car can be a sports car if you make a sport for it to fit into!
 
Strictly speaking, a sports car is small, low, light, usually with just one or two seats, usually with an open top, purpose-built for high speed driving.

Going by the strict definition, there are only a handful of cars on the market that qualify as actual sports cars.

The Mazda MX-5, the Lotus Elise, the Ariel Atom, the Caterham Super Seven and its associated clones and the X-Bow.

Most modern "sportscars" are at least a thousand pounds too heavy and half-a-foot too wide to actually qualify as "sportscars" in the classic sense.

In other words... to qualify many modern sportscars as actual sportscars (and they are built for driving at high speed, so they do fulfill the most important part of the equation), you have to adopt a sportscar definition that's quite liberal.

One article that I like to cite explains it all in different words, but with essentially the same essence:

There is, however, a common thought that seems to run through almost all of the outlooks on the meaning of "sports car". If a car is designed with high performance or race-like capabilities in mind, it can probably be safely termed a sports car. Some purists may balk at such a liberal perspective, but alternative definitions fall far short of accurately distinguishing sports cars form regular production models.

http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/2-11-2006-88657.asp

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A real sports car=500HP+/300KPM+

That's my opinion.

500+ hp. 300+ km/h.




Both 500+ hp / 300+ km/h. both corner like bricks. There's your sportscars.
 
The most stupid thing i have ever heard! So to you a lotus Elise or Mazda RX7 isn't a sports car just because the don't have enough HP!

sorry, I got brainwashed buy the pure sports car cup from GT2 which requirements are cars over 500 factory HP.
 
A car is a thing. Sport is something (usually competitive) that you do with or without a thing. Therefore a "sports car" would be a car that can be used competitively.

That's pretty much any car IMO.
 
-> As the representative of the Vehicle Wish List, heres my categorization of "Sports Cars":

VWL V.5.5
* sedan = Toyota Camry
* sports sedan = Honda Civic Si, BMW M5
* coupe = Toyota (Camry) Solara, Dodge Neon R/T
* sports coupe = Hyundai Genesis Coupe, BMW M6
* hatchback = VW Golf-like
* hot hatch = Mazdaspeed 3/Axela/Mazda 3 MPS
* fastback = Honda/Acura Integra
* wagon = Volvo V70
* convertible (US)/cabriolet (EU) = top down w/ 4-seats
* roadster = top down w/ 2-seats
* speedster = basically roadsters that is top optional w/ 1 or 2 seats
* track car = cars that are primarily designed for race tracks
* special track car = cars that will/can become race cars
* sports car = cars the are designed for performance in mind (2-door cars that features 350-499hp)
* super car = cars that goes beyond sport (500-849hp)
* hyper car = cars that goes beyond belief (850hp++)

:)
 
This thread retreads some very old ground (try here for the most recent version) and has nothing to do with GT5.
 
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