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Basically, I was having doubts about this game and to be honest, didnt really fancy getting it. I ended up talking myself into it, and to be honest, Im regretting it. I will explain a few of my main teething points when it comes to this game.

1. AI
Now in my mind, A racing game is made much more exciting with competition, Wheras GT6's AI opponents are the slowest and most boring AI that I care to remember. I can see the need for a rolling start because if it wasn't Id have the full field in less that half a lap. I saw I think the european festival, with a 550PP limit IIRC, I was in a RUF BTR, And I was going up against VW Golfs? and a renault hatchback? its not just the AI are the slowest things on earth, The car selection for some events is just a joke.
Back to my point about the AI being slow, It ruins the fun in a game. I done the Lamborghini mission at brands hatch recently, and in the first lap after 2 corners I was 4 seconds ahead, The AI was in a much faster car, and had started earlier, yet I caught up in 2 corners and that was it. My point of the matter is, This game and its events just feel like a time trial with obstacles. If its a 4 lap race I will be passed them all by the first or second lap, and thats just boring..

2. Sounds
I am following a youtube channel named MotoGamesTV, which among other things does comparisons from game to game. Such as FM4 v GT6 or Project CARS v Asseto corsa or any of these inter-mixed. Its actually embarassing how far behind GT6 is in terms of sound quality, Not simply sound relevance, But other things that effect the sound that are hard for me to explain. Forza on its own is much better quality in terms of sound than GT6, And almost all of the new cars implemented in the game used recycled sounds that can be applied to at least 5% of other cars in the game, Such as the SRT Viper '13, the Pagani Huraya, the Audi Quattro S1, These are the ones I have personally used and noticed this, The SRT when I have used it only sounded like a viper under certain circumstances uses a recycled sound file, the Pagani only vaguely sounds similar and uses a recycled (albeit quite masked with the turbo) sound file again and the Audi.. Sounds nothing like I hoped it would, and again used a recycled sound file found in at least a few other cars.

3. What we ACTUALLY GOT
A question I have found myself asking when playing this game, Is there anything I should really have bought this for that I wouldnt have seen in GT5? Sure I got a few more tracks, A few more cars and a handling model thats only really noticable under certain conditions, They didnt fix many, or even any of the problems that the community brought to them, they say the graphics got updated, but to be honest I still hardly rate them. I think personally the tried to fix what wasnt broken, and then put in a little bit of stuff to make people say "oh this is new and so much better im going to buy this"

4. Standard cars
One of GT5's problems wasnt having standard cars, It was labelling the lower quality cars as standard cars, there are still standard cars in GT6 and a few of them have had a bit of an upgrade but most are still pretty poor. People seem to be a bit more satisfied now simply because they are not called standards any more and seemingly this makes them more pleased even though the cars are still just as bad. I think practically any other racing game's roster of cars is better than GT6's, I would rather have 200 Well detailed (sound handling and models) and individual cars (not duplicates) than have 1200, mostly poorly detailed and a sickening number of duplicates.

Some other minor points I would like to raise in my little rant

5. The possibility of just going online and joining a game and expecting to have a nice race or a good time is ruined by the fact there is a complete lack of structure in GT's online modes, bar racing and not racing, a lobby (and its participents) are defined simply by the host which in most cases, Is a bad thing. I used to play forza, and they had alot more fun playlists and alot more structured gameplay, which made things alot more organised and fun.
If I can make an example of another game that made good use of its online functionality, Was PGR4, (Project Gotham Racing). There was structure to its online features and it had fun game modes such as Bulldog or Cat and Mouse. But the main thing I liked about that game was daily official tournaments. It got people together alot better by introducing direct competition for people your level in equal grounds, And offered an option for those who wanted competition, instead of only time trials or externally organised events. I thought it was a great idea, I learned alot more competing against better people directly and I also met alot of better people who helped me which you wont find from trying to add someone on a time trial leaderboard. In saying that, It would be nice to have more ways of competing on GT6, Such as time trial leaderboards for certain cars and tracks or something along these lines.

Il add more as I find them through playing this game if I even choose to keep it.
 
As soon as I get enough money to replace my ps3, with a ps4, xbox or PC, Then I will move to a different racing game series or something. Why do you ask?
 
Pretty much agree with everything you said, except I think the standard cars have improved in quality a fair bit since GT5. At least they don't have those awful octagonal wheel wells any more. For the most part at least.

But yeah, that's stuff's all been talked about a hundred times. The AI is awful, the engine sounds are just as bad, etc. That's Gran Turismo and I doubt it will ever change. Those things just don't matter to Mr. Yamauchi apparently.
 
I agree with points 1,2, & 5. That said, everything you've mentioned has been covered before. People complain about rubber band/rabbit car AI (poor AI in general), & PD respond by making it even worse in GT6. People complain about sounds, & PD are working on a whole new way to do them which we'll get in an update soon. Only time will tell if they've nailed it. People complain about online, PD have made some improvements as regards extra online options (always a good thing). Also, there will be major online updates coming soon, so don't give up on GT6 just yet. But once again, only time will tell if they manage to nail that too.

Waiting for an update from PD is like waiting for the other shoe to drop! ;)
 
As soon as I get enough money to replace my ps3, with a ps4, xbox or PC, Then I will move to a different racing game series or something. Why do you ask?

Seems a bit funny to go on about how much you loathe something then proceed to write a wall of text about it is all.

I'm not sure what racing series you'll be fancying on the PS4 unless it's Drive Club or Project Cars (which will still not look as good as PD's effort on the PS4 when it arrives) or F5 on the XBOXone with pre-baked visuals, no real time particle effects on a next gen systems, nor any real time night to day cycles + weather. I guess you might have some fun playing I-racing if you'll be forking over the money to play properly, but of course that is totally your decision. I just find it curious to write such a "passionate harangue" about a game you clearly abhor and contemplate not even playing again :lol::gtplanet:
 
Seems a bit funny to go on about how much you loathe something then proceed to write a wall of text about it is all.
Seems a bit funny to complain about someone else's posts being a waste of time for him to write while doing nothing to actually further the topic with your own.

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further the topic with your own.

:lol::gtplanet::gtpflag:

Just curious. ... How does one "further this topic" exactly? Why would you spend so much time typing and thinking about something you despise? Doesn't make much sense to me but hey, perhaps I'm in the minority :D
 
Seems a bit funny to go on about how much you loathe something then proceed to write a wall of text about it is all.

I'm not sure what racing series you'll be fancying on the PS4 unless it's Drive Club or Project Cars (which will still not look as good as PD's effort on the PS4 when it arrives) or F5 on the XBOXone with pre-baked visuals, no real time particle effects on a next gen systems, nor any real time night to day cycles + weather. I guess you might have some fun playing I-racing if you'll be forking over the money to play properly, but of course that is totally your decision. I just find it curious to write such a "passionate harangue" about a game you clearly abhor and contemplate not even playing again :lol::gtplanet:
Of course, this is not be buying a game and complaining about it, But I look at this and think how much I have been let down, although I knew what to expect, I still had to see it for myself, As id not like to base my opinion on someone else. My main issue with the way GT6 seemed to be taken, In my opinion of course, This is a game people have been waiting for, and we have no real competition on PS3, so we have dont NEED to make it much better, Which is a sound marketing tactic, And as much as I like to think some people are above it, It doesnt seem to be :(
 
Of course, this is not be buying a game and complaining about it, But I look at this and think how much I have been let down, although I knew what to expect, I still had to see it for myself, As id not like to base my opinion on someone else. My main issue with the way GT6 seemed to be taken, In my opinion of course, This is a game people have been waiting for, and we have no real competition on PS3, so we have dont NEED to make it much better, Which is a sound marketing tactic, And as much as I like to think some people are above it, It doesnt seem to be :(
When you talk like that you can make any game sound like not much has changed from the previous version. GTAV is just a bigger map and two more characters than GTAIV but still has all the same flaws as before... See? I wholeheartedly agree with you on the AI but you act like the work they have done is next to nothing which simply is not true and I really think you're overplaying the faults while downplaying the improvements but that's my opinion.
 
Just curious. ... How does one "further this topic" exactly? Why would you spend so much time typing and thinking about something you despise? Doesn't make much sense to me but hey, perhaps I'm in the minority :D
Because its easier to do so, but most of the players who have gripes about the game, if they didn't care they wouldn't write about it? I've made several posts in favor of GT and against GT and some of the ones against them were pretty harsh. That doesn't mean I despise them, I just want to let people know what I think and what not.


Eh I mean I've already been numbed to the process of standard cars and AI and sound, I complain, I read peoples complaints, I practice typing out my complaints, no avail as of yet. "Expect it in a future update?" Yeah I suppose...
 
When you talk like that you can make any game sound like not much has changed from the previous version. GTAV is just a bigger map and two more characters than GTAIV but still has all the same flaws as before... See? I wholeheartedly agree with you on the AI but you act like the work they have done is next to nothing which simply is not true and I really think you're overplaying the faults while downplaying the improvements but that's my opinion.
I do actually agree with you on GTA5, Although I think that since the game had more expansive gameplay, It can sometimes be a bit more un-noticed, But what in your mind has got much better? I notice myself, things have got slightly better as I mentioned, But hardly worth a new release, and was in my mind, certainly not the effort put into the game to improve it as I would have liked. I have said to many people, and I am sure other people that have seen it said by others, I play GT6 and think I doesnt feel like a next development in the serious it just feels like what GT5 should have been, It just feels like another attempt at GT5 so to speak.
 
How does paying a $60 "not so shi**y" game bothers anyone in first world countries? I'm a poor gamer who can only afford 1 game a year or nothing at all and I'm very grateful just being able to play. I know the issues of games should be addressed but...:indiff: *sigh* Sorry if i offended anyone. :guilty:
 
I do actually agree with you on GTA5, Although I think that since the game had more expansive gameplay, It can sometimes be a bit more un-noticed, But what in your mind has got much better? I notice myself, things have got slightly better as I mentioned, But hardly worth a new release, and was in my mind, certainly not the effort put into the game to improve it as I would have liked. I have said to many people, and I am sure other people that have seen it said by others, I play GT6 and think I doesnt feel like a next development in the serious it just feels like what GT5 should have been, It just feels like another attempt at GT5 so to speak.

Well the cars simply handle much better. GT5 was just off. In GT5P it was like ice physics where cars would slide like they were on ice. GT5 did much better than Prologue but it still wasn't great, cars felt dead. GT6 gives you more feel to the car, the tire grip is better, cars show weight transfer, etc. It may not be perfect or PC sim level but it's the best we have on consoles and pretty darn good imo. Plus the loading times for everything from in-game to menus are much better.

Anyway those are just some things. I'm not here to debate with you what has changed or not but just pointing my observation that I feel you are overstating one aspect and hardly even mentioning the other. It's always good to see both sides of the coin if you ask me.
 
All the people that their sence of gaming is in graphics have ruined the game. They wanted the cars and tracks look better and completely forgot about the gameplay. It feels rushed and all the ideas PD had weren't implemented into GT5 and GT6 due to lack of time.
 
Well the cars simply handle much better. GT5 was just off. In GT5P it was like ice physics where cars would slide like they were on ice. GT5 did much better than Prologue but it still wasn't great, cars felt dead. GT6 gives you more feel to the car, the tire grip is better, cars show weight transfer, etc. It may not be perfect or PC sim level but it's the best we have on consoles and pretty darn good imo. Plus the loading times for everything from in-game to menus are much better.

Anyway those are just some things. I'm not here to debate with you what has changed or not but just pointing my observation that I feel you are overstating one aspect and hardly even mentioning the other. It's always good to see both sides of the coin if you ask me.
Thats true I am, But I made this to show my problems with the game, I do recognise that the game does make a better representation of the handling, But like I said in my last post, I get the feeling it just felt too much like a fixing of an old game rather than a new game.

All the people that their sence of gaming is in graphics have ruined the game. They wanted the cars and tracks look better and completely forgot about the gameplay. It feels rushed and all the ideas PD had weren't implemented into GT5 and GT6 due to lack of time.
I dont see how you can say there was a lack of time personally, Im obviously not running the company, But I think a time scale of 5 years is reasonable enough to implement their ideas. Considering their last proper release was in 2005 (im not counting prologues) and GT5 was in 2010, Be as it may there were reasons, I think 5 years is more than enough to churn out a half decent game, And they kinda just threw GT6 out to make more money in my opinion.
 
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