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Not too long ago Christmas passed. Many, many teenaged boys got a PS2 and GT3 for a present. For advice on the game they came to GTP. Hence the recent onslaught of anime, drifting, and Initial D. crap. No?

*edit* Not that these things are inherently bad... no, not at all. But jeez man. Get over it already.
 
I was thinking the exact same thing the other night.
An explosion of new threads in the GT3 section, because all those new members, who got GT3 as a christmas present and want some advice, do not know how to use a search function.
 
I've never seen an anime. I've not drifted intentionally. I've never watched Initial D. Frankly, if you want to talk about such things, so be it. But I'll be ignoring you.
 
Originally posted by M5Power
I've never seen an anime. I've not drifted intentionally. I've never watched Initial D. Frankly, if you want to talk about such things, so be it. But I'll be ignoring you.
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I second the motion. Nobody calls me "Initial P".
 
Just out of curiousity, are certain members here competing to be the next Andy Rooney?

Flaming and perversion, both could probably be spoted, but the main thing worth pointing out today is boredom over mostly harmless, as far as I've noticed, and sometimes "fan boy" like threads about anime and drifting.

:rolleyes:
 
I just don't read the threads about drifting, and Initial D.
Neither hits my radar
That doesn't necessarily make them bad. Just "flying low" in regards to MY radar.
 
Don't call me stupid I never heard of Initial D till like last month :odd: - All I can tell at the moment is it is Japanese, Anime (Possible 3D Cars Animated) - Theres a Tureno Sprinter thingy, lots of drifting/boy racing, a person starting with the letter T and tofu is swimming around behind that.

Somebody please explain....
 
Its sad really, if some people would take the time to actually "use" the search feature, there wouldn't be all these new threads about drifting/whatever else that has been said in the first place. That's kind of the reason I don't bother to view the GT3 board anymore because it's usually a rehash of what's been said already. I've never heard or seen Initial D either ALPHA, so you're not the only one.
 
I've watched a few Initial D episodes in the past, i've got loads and loads of actual, real life "drift" video clips on my computer (which are entertaining to watch, for sure)...

And yet, i don't make it an obsession. I don't read the threads regarding drifting in GT3 anymore, mainly because of the piss poor grammar most new members have (and a few older ones too) that make these threads barely readable, not to mention overly repetitive.

Some people are stupid, won't read before posting, or won't care about what we tell them... we can't do a thing, sadly.
 
Isn't it odd though? This was the 2nd holiday season(remember guys, Chistianity is not the only religion that gives presents forth quarter of the year) of GT3 being out...

I'd tend to think that most everyone that knew about GT3 would have had it by then or now...

Most of us had it the first week of release, hell I had one of the first ones in STL(due to relentless calling of Best Buy and CompUSA, though Best Buy came through on the deal, and I didn't even bother with Circut Crappy, they are about as useless as a PS2 in a Civic ;) ), and I donno why it would take a long time for people to have a game that came out over a year and a half ago...

Any news on the GT4 front?

I guess The Getaway will have to keep me occupied, once I go and pick up a copy. It's got some cars that are in GT, like the Lexus IS and stuff...
 
I've been hypothesizing a theory related to the onslaught of Drift threads.

Now this is pure speculation...But Have you noticed an inverse correlation between the amount of "F1/R390/787B are da bomb" threads and the "inital D./Drifting" threads?

My theory is that the people who played until they couldn't beat the AI (even in an F1/R390/787B) have now started drifting. While I have only echo's of rumors, and vague hints in threads, I believe that a significant amount of drifters (not all) have become bored with trying to finish their S-license, are unable to race competitively, have given up on attaining 100% and have decided that Drifting is the way to go. After all, it is a relaxing way to make a car look cool. The competitiveness of the AI is gone, and they can brag consistently about "gettingSIDEways" around a corner. The direction to get to drifting may be varied, but the underlying ripple is that they haven’t the skill or persistence to finish the game, and in this day of short attention spans, they look for another avenue to escape that shortfall.

In the entire game of GT3, drifting is mentioned on only one screen. That screen is where you select either a “racing” or “drifting” set-up for your arcade car.

Of course that’s just my opinion, I could be wrong.

AO
 
I would definitely consider this hypothesis and good theory. Not quite a law yet (has to go through testing), but a damn good theory.

I know how anoying it can get trying to beat the game. Mutiply that with being young, maybe not a lot of time invested, and the result is someone that thinks the game is "cool" but boring now. So when somebody comes up with a new way of playing the game, its adds interest that wasn't there anymore.

After I completed the game, I think I went through the same type of thing. My friends and I started using it for the replays of what we called "two player crash derby." We all sat around grading each other on type of hits, speeds reached, and style doing it.

I think it can happen to anyone, once you get to your top level of your gaming ability in that game, you look for others ways to use it to entertain youself.
 
I had also come up with a basic theory similar to Der Alta's, having considered and discarded a number of sig lines such as "Those who can, race; those who can't, drift!". However I was nowhere near observant enough to notice the correlation between threads that he did. I think he has analyzed the underlying cause far more thoroughly than I did as well.

I'm certainly not one to dictate how the game should be played and enjoyed. Drifting holds no interest to me but many things I find fascinating are incredibly dull to others. This in itself is not the issue.

The problem lies in the posting style, and indeed the lifestyle of the Japanimation/drifting/import car culture. It seems as if to them these things are an inseperable entity, so to them the meandering threads full of short and scattered posts are not off-topic at all. It's only in relation to the longer, more (patient? thoughtful? focused? ...none of those is right) posters that the discrepancy really becomes an issue.

That is why I've been lobbying to Jordan for a Drifting Forum, where the interested people can discuss their passion for drifting without coming into conflict with others that don't share it. Please consider adding your polite comments to this thread. I'd like to see the GT3 forum (and its related Tuning board) return to the discussion of GT3 racing, without inhibiting the freedom of those who are interested in drifting. It would be great if they had a place of their own to discuss cars, tuning, technique, etc, as well as the related cultural facets of touge culture.

Note that there are no drifitng posts on the GT3 Writeups board. It would probably be a similar relief to the drifters to have a board that was free from racers, as well.

To some extent, I agree with Gil that we can just ignore the drifting threads. However, this can easier be said than done. For one, the sheer volume of threads can bury non-drift subjects quickly. For two, drifting posts can take over a thread that was started on a non-drift subject. And for three, often the thread subjects are so ambiguous as to be pointless, making it hard to differentiate between drift and non-drift threads without opening them.

I certainly support people's right to choose their own interests. I just think that a little 'separate but equal' could go a long way here.
 
I agree with you Neon_Duke, the GT3 board has literally become cluttered with everything you have mentioned. It would be a great idea to have a drifting forum, it would separate racing threads from drift threads.
 
A solution for the GT3 forum:

We lock it and create another folder for GT3, but they can only get to it by clicking on the top thread reading:

"READ: GT3 Threads Moved!"
 
well,I was lookin' through all the newest type threads in this forum,and I happened to come in here and read ALL of the posts.Very well said everybody,but me being an Initial D otaku as I am,is that such a bad thing that people like me have to get "looked down upon"?I mean yeah,don't get me wrong..it CAN probably get annoying with you people having to hear us blabber about stuff such as,"yeah!you should've seen me drift around this corner with my Hachi-Roku!it looked soooo cool!",but seriously...people like different things,so just cause there are drifters,such as Initial D otakus,then that doesn't mean they don't have the right to talk about it or share their experiences.It's kinda like puttin' someone down who likes to watch F1 races and decides to drive an F1 on GT3,then tell everybody about it,then it starts a trend.Big deal,it's not like people are gonna like the same thing anyways,why don't people just stick to their own liking and not worry about other peoples,instead of saying stuff such as,"dude,they really need to knock it off with the "drifting fanboy" crap,this is getting ridiculous!",ya know what...so what?so what if it gets out of control?Are you gonna protest to tell them to stop what they love doing?I doubt it,cause it won't help even if ya did.No offense,but you're right...they SHOULD make a drifting forum for people like us,but until that happens,some people should at least respect others for being a so called,"drifting fanboy" or whatever.That is all I have to say about this discussion...

AE86Driver
 
Originally posted by AE86Driver
well,I was lookin' through all the newest type threads in this forum,and I happened to come in here and read ALL of the posts.Very well said everybody,but me being an Initial D otaku as I am,is that such a bad thing that people like me have to get "looked down upon"?I mean yeah,don't get me wrong..it CAN probably get annoying with you people having to hear us blabber about stuff such as,"yeah!you should've seen me drift around this corner with my Hachi-Roku!it looked soooo cool!",but seriously...people like different things,so just cause there are drifters,such as Initial D otakus,then that doesn't mean they don't have the right to talk about it or share their experiences.It's kinda like puttin' someone down who likes to watch F1 races and decides to drive an F1 on GT3,then tell everybody about it,then it starts a trend.Big deal,it's not like people are gonna like the same thing anyways,why don't people just stick to their own liking and not worry about other peoples,instead of saying stuff such as,"dude,they really need to knock it off with the "drifting fanboy" crap,this is getting ridiculous!",ya know what...so what?so what if it gets out of control?Are you gonna protest to tell them to stop what they love doing?I doubt it,cause it won't help even if ya did.No offense,but you're right...they SHOULD make a drifting forum for people like us,but until that happens,some people should at least respect others for being a so called,"drifting fanboy" or whatever.That is all I have to say about this discussion...

AE86Driver
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You're missing the point. The Initial D drifting thing is just one particular representation of abuse of the forum. In my opening post I specifically said there's nothing wrong with it. If people started making a thread a day about F1 cars then they would be getting the criticism.

One thread about drifting is enough.
 
That's quite well said yourself, AE86driver.

Please don't forget that we also share the board with you. It's true, there is no way to stop you from posting about your love of drifting (and I have no desire to). All I ask is that you attempt to contain it to relevant threads.

There does seem to be multiple threads about which car is fun to drift. If you can help people put their questions about which cars are best to drift, in the same thread, as well as possibly keep the Inital D threads in one thread, it'd be great. I'll attempt to keep multiple "Which car is the best at Trial Mtn" threads merged into one.

See it from both perspectives. We're trying to share a forum, and it becomes cluttered very quickly. A mutual show of respect is warranted when residing in a community as large as this one.

Have you given your input on the "Requesting a drifting board" thread in the questinos and comments forum? Do your part, as it is needed.

AO
 
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is that such a bad thing that people like me have to get "looked down upon"?
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Did you even read my post? My whole point is that I'd like to see you have a place where you can do your thing.

Der Alta is perfectly right. Until Jordan sees fit to make a drifting forum, we need to share the GT3 board. That means we need to respect each other. I'm not trying to say that racers are better than drifters. You'll note that I have posted requesting people to use the Search function, regardless of their flavor of driving.

I'm just saying that the Touge culture seems to favor the kind of inundating posts that are filling the GT3 board, to the point where I think it is a problem. Not a problem to be solved by making it go away, but a problem to be solved by giving it a place to go.
 
yes,I read your post Duke,but I still replied to it,not in an offensive way...but an opinonized type way (if that's even a word ^_^).It would be WONDERFUL if Jordan would create a drift forum for us,but you know...nobody should need to push him or request it,even though,he wouldn't know that we needed one till we let him know,cause as far as I know of,he can't read minds.But still,no matter what anybody says,everything will jumble with everything else,regardless.

AE86Driver

P.S. I know we have to share the forums,I'm not here to collect as many posts as I can you know,I actually like to try and help as well..it may not come out the way it should,but it's better than just sitting back and not saying anything at all,wouldn't you agree?
 

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