A/V Receivers with Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD Master Audio

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I'm after an A/V Receiver which supports the next-gen surround sound formats - Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD MAster Audio.
Now I know not all Blu-ray films support both or maybe even one of each but for future proofing it'd be nice to have a receiver with theses capabilities. (Does the PS3 support DTS HD Master Audio?)
I've seen a few but many seem to be very high end. But one that's caught my eye is the Pioneer VSX LX50. Here in the UK it's priced from £640 to £780. I'm very interested in it but I'd like to see some other choices. But they need to be around the £650-£700 mark.
If anyone else has any suggestions please post here.👍
 
I'm after an A/V Receiver which supports the next-gen surround sound formats - Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD MAster Audio.
Now I know not all Blu-ray films support both or maybe even one of each but for future proofing it'd be nice to have a receiver with theses capabilities. (Does the PS3 support DTS HD Master Audio?)
Yes, and nearly every single Blu-ray title comes with a DTS HD Master Audio track... some come with the original uncompressed PCM track... which is basically the same thing as the HD audio tracks, only uncompressed - explained later.

In addition, the PS3 comes with decoders for both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA. DTS had not finished the necessary software for the HD MA decoders, but they recently announced that they have been working with Sony to get that updated with an upcoming system software update, so in the near future the PS3 will also be able to decode DTS-HD MA signals internally.

The only reason to have an AVR with Dolby TrueHD and/or DTS-HD MA is if your player does not. In the case of the PS3 it does, so at least for use with the PS3 it isn't necessary to have an AVR with those decoders. In fact, you don't even need an AVR with HDMI 1.3 as 1.3 is only needed for transporting the compressed HD audio signals. In the case of the PS3 it will decode the audio codecs and output the signal in it's original uncompressed PCM form… now there are other reasons to want one with HDMI 1.3 but there is already a thread on that subject.

The following is an important thing to remember. Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD MA are just audio codecs... methods of compressing the original PCM track. The decoders convert the Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD MA tracks to PCM.

While you can even get the same "lossless" audio with an AVR that doesn't have HDMI, by outputting the audio over TOSLINK (fiber optic) it will only be 2-channel. To get full discrete multi-channel PCM, you'll have to have an AVR with *HDMI.

* Some receivers with HDMI may only have HDMI pass through switching, and not actually be able to receive an audio signal from the HDMI input. This is rare, but be sure it accepts audio signals from the HDMI input.


Now there are some minor distinctions between the audio codecs, as well as the uncompressed "lossless PCM tracks found on many Blu-ray titles, but basically if they are from the same source with the same sample rate of the studio master or greater, they are identical, at least from a listeners stand point. The only reason for Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA is to save disc space. It is the PCM track that is "special", which is what you get when you decode Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA... or in the case of some Blu-ray titles, it already comes with the PCM track.

So if I were you I would save your money, and buy an AVR with HDMI input that accepts an audio signal. Denon, Yamaha, Sony, Onkyo, and others all offer a selection of very good AVRs like that. Unlike video, the differences in audio quality between most models is most likely going to go unnoticed by most users, especially if they do not have an acoustically designed or treated room and precise high end calibrated speakers.

So among those brands, even if you just focus on features and price I'm sure in nearly every case you'll be very pleased with the results.

Let us know what you end up getting and once you experience discrete multi-channel lossless PCM audio tell us what you think.

For me the diference was so great that in most cases I have found I no longer even enjoy Dolby Digital and DTS (core) tracks. It's like comparing SACD to CD, or CD to MP3.
 
If you still are looking for a receiver with Dolby TrueHD & DTS-HD MA decoding, you may want to check out Onkyo's new TX-SR605 AVR Receiver.

It has far too many features and specs to list them all, but not only does it have both HD audio decoders, and not only does it have the latest DCDi video processing chip set from Faroudja for deinterlacing, upscaling, and more, and not only does it have HDMI 2x1 switching, but they are all HDMI 1.3 👍

It also has a wide range of features, calibration tools, and a very hefty 630 watt 7.1-channel amp.

Best of all, you can get it here in the States at least for under $500!

Last year, a similarly equipped AVR would cost you around $2,000!!!

In fact, after I found it in stock at Vann's for only $430 shipped (or about £210) I think I'm going to get this for my folks, as their current receiver doesn't have an HDMI input to take full advantage of what their PS3 has to offer.

Hope this helps you in your search. 👍
 
TB
Look at post 2. :D
:O That's what I get for not thoroughly checking all links. :)

Yes, it seems the SR605 is really turning out to be a very promising AVR. I'm really surprised by some of the criticism it is getting for it's video processing, especially deinterlacing and scalling, as it has a very capable DCDi VP from Faroudja. In most cases, this shouldn't be a problem, but if I end up getting this for the folks, I'll let you know what I think about this AVR after I get a chance to run it through its paces. 👍
 
Thanks for the replies.👍
At the moment I've decided to get a new TV (probably the Sony KDL-46W3000) so the amp will have to wait.
But the TX-SR605 looks good and significantly cheaper than the Pioneer (though I do like the Pioneer and I've used Pioneer for 10 years now).
Certainly a good candidate anyway!

Just to add, the Onkyo 505 has pass through HDMI so I guess that would be okay for Dolby true HD and SACD. But the PS3 does do DTS HD Master Audio? Was it added in a firmware? I don't see it mentioned in the manual, just DTS Digital Surround. And it would seem only some Blu-ray films have DTS HD Master Audio like The Fantastic Four: The Rise of the Silver Surfer (but it doesn't have DD True HD). I guess both are necessary.

Anyway if DTS HD Master Audio and Dolby True HD don't need to be in the amp ('coz the PS3 does it) just HDMI pass through then I can cast my net wider I guess.

Edit: Scratch that the Onkyo 505 doesn't do HDMI sound. I'm now looking at the Sony STRDG 910 which is a little cheaper than the 605. It never ends...
 
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