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Sorry to get political, but just how leftist and morally relativistic are they? I was watching some of it earlier and found that most if not all of the views expressed were passive or lectures about American policy.
 
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I get BBC here in florida, but its called WBBC. basically just some news from the BBC channels and education shows. sometimes they have some good stuff though.
 
Their current director is in the pocket of the Labour party, which has a left-slant. Therefore, the corporation itself has a certain left-slant. That's currently though. Actually, the BBC tends to mildy support the incumbent party, although that's possibly got something to do with the fact that the Government can have significant influence on the choice of BBC Director General.

Talentless, I'm afraid that it's a fact that in the UK, there's a generally negative feeling towards the US's current administration, and it's fairly obvious that the principal television company will seek to reflect that in its editorial stance, in order to curry favour with the viewing public.

I'll keep an eye out for it next week though.
 
Originally posted by Talentless
Crushed under the weight of the responses, Talentless dies.

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Wow, you waited all of 7 minutes for a responce. You're the most patient person I've ever known.

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Do you mean the British Broadcasting Corporation?

If so.... well, they are public funded so largely independent but like all large corporations they are subject to....ahhhh... government inflence.
 
We know from the problems in the Middle East that a predominance of conservative influence can cause a lot of problems, but doesn't all that leftism in Europe ever make Europeans cringe?

Ahh, politics.
 
Originally posted by Talentless
We know from the problems in the Middle East that a predominance of conservative influence can cause a lot of problems, but doesn't all that leftism in Europe ever make Europeans cringe?

Ahh, politics.

I'm sorry old chap, you've lost me. :confused:

Would you mind elaborating?

Exactly what manifestations of "leftism" are you referring to?
 
I do not oppose all of these, I am merely listing some issues and such associated with the left.

Moral relativism.

Anti-war

Pacifism

Socialistic ideals

Anti-business (big)

Environmentalism

There are many issues, but my problem is with the pacifist/ moral relativism. Don't judge others, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, you did this 20 years ago so you asked for it, you are greedy and should give more, and on and on.
 
Hmmm and which of those are bad things?

Would you prefer to fight or negotiate? Do you want to have only one choice of toilet roll? Do you want to have someone with more money 'buy' your property from under you, in the money = power sense of things? Would you like to see the 'green green grass' of home tarmaced over, or you shining seas polluted and dead?

I must admit i'm not familiar with the term "moral relativism" but i assure you i will be by the end of the day.

I'm totally stumped by your closing statement are you referring to anyone in particular?
 
Ok i now understand the fundementals of "moral relativism" and i must say I don't find the basic tenants too repulsive.

I must say i don't understand why many would except when dealing with the extreme.
 
Originally posted by slip2rock
Hmmm and which of those are bad things?

Would you prefer to fight or negotiate? Do you want to have only one choice of toilet roll? Do you want to have someone with more money 'buy' your property from under you, in the money = power sense of things? Would you like to see the 'green green grass' of home tarmaced over, or you shining seas polluted and dead?

I must admit i'm not familiar with the term "moral relativism" but i assure you i will be by the end of the day.

I'm totally stumped by your closing statement are you referring to anyone in particular?

I am not pro war, but if you think that negotiation/diplomacy are necessarily better beyond just the short term you are far more idealistic than I am. And what I mentioned can be bad when it puts such a level of doubt in others that what may be the best plan is quelched in order to pursue efforts to implement policies that adhere to beliefs which center around what some may call too much trust in people. You may find that cruel, but with the issue of minimizing loss of life and maintaining or fighting to instill freedom is at hand, I don't find too much to be extreme.

Oh, and I am not a socialist, so there's my bias.

http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/m/m-relati.htm
 
Me, I think some relativism can be good, but I would rather feel comfortable in making value judgements and being true to myself instead of voluntarily allowing my self to be mired in doubt and concerns over political incorrectness.
 
Hi again...

I have to go home now, Bird says she's gunna cook me pasta and i love pasta.

I'll take a look at your link when i get home.

On the war thing, right through might, which appears to be your current goverments stand point is not something i prefer to negotiation. However warfare is the final resort of diplomacy and that i accept 'Talk softly, carry a big stick' i've always thought to be very apt.

Hmmm, I have made a mistake, when i posted in the thread "who would you like to meet" i only mentioned Boombexus, Dudebusta and Neon_Duke.... I think I'd also like to meet you too Talentless.

Laters.... mate. :)
 
Originally posted by Talentless
Sorry to get political, but just how leftist and morally relativistic are they? I was watching some of it earlier and found that most if not all of the views expressed were passive or lectures about American policy.

As opposed to the Govt fed self-righteous indignation pouring out of the US networks over the last twelve months? The lack of genuine analysis of the years leading up to September 11 has been astonishing - all I've seen of the various US news sources here has been the same story.

Unfortunately, the media here is total rubbish and is pretty much an unfiltered pipe of CNN and other US networks.

An example - I'm currently watching two of our three major networks which are just running direct feeds of CNN and NBC.
 
The BBC is free to do as it legally is able, I am merely expressing my discomfort with the timing of statements which are nothing new to me.

Very simple question: Is it in good taste to go into criticisms of US foreign policy and mishaps, and bemoan "arrogance" on a day like this?

Someone has to have a political cause. Someone says God Bless and a few, or many, cannot just say thank you, even though they are atheists, or whatever; cannot just appreciate the good intent. No, they just have to tell of how they are being excluded. Well, how would you have a person of faith give you their best wishes? I would prefer to be consoled in the strongest way that a person can. If that means saying may Allah bless me, good.

Sorry, but sometimes it gets a person down.

Hmmmmm
 
I'm sort of with Vat Man. The US news is too spoon fed for my taste anymore. While the BBC can be a stout dose of anti-New-World-American, it's not all that bad to simply take it in the context that it's given. I don't mind hearing a different slant in other words.

What I really dig about the BBC is the kind of news they give when not going over all the current events pap. You know, the vignettes of life in other countries, and how those lives fit in with the larger world. You don't get that kid of stuff on CNN anymore.
 
I do not mind other views, and I am sure the BBC is an outstanding corporation/channel in most things, I am only saying that I dislike the way it seemed to handle the day of commemoration. The BBC has done several good documentary programs with The Learning Channel, and probably has worked with, if not more, PBS. I am just wondering if it really was proper, in the moral sense of the word, to have so much of the people they chose to talk with about it be of those with passive voices. If the BBC has a no screening of callers policy, that is one thing, but it is near impossible to avoid screening letters, and nearly all the letters I saw were about multicultural understanding or complaints about America. As justified as one can claim, and perhaps proof, their complaints to be, when has it not been considered to be at least a little insensitive to engage in listing the sins of the greiving or their government on the anniversary of an event. "We feel your greif, but let us move on and discuss mine." I agree we should be more sensitive, more should have been said about Rwanda, but noone forced candle light commerations in countries around the world, noone dictates to countries how they should mourn, noone in the US with any validity to us that I know of. Is Bush guilty of this? Oh, and I say it would be hard to avoid screening letters because the various excuses for not reading a letter on air could bring about suspicion in the letter's author of the appearance of screening. I welcome all criticism of US, but I feel it is only fair to take to task the critics on the moral grounds which I assume they stand by. If that is American defensiveness, oh well.
 
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