ABS 0 and the brakes after patch 1.02

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Myself and the guys i race with have noticed a difference with the brakes after the 1.02 patch, when gt6 released the new brakes with abs 0 felt great, since the new patch its like they have reverted to be closer to the gt5 brakes, has anyone else noticed this?

They were perfect at first but already seem to have taken a step backwards, i wish PD would put them back pre 1.02!!!

Btw i was very happy to see the return of the RA menu being able to be configured to a button on any controller/wheel, only to have it not work at all, even for the DFGT users.
 
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As for ABS 0 I found a problem when the car is fitted with racing brakes, a slight touch in brake's pedal locks up the four wheels. No matter if you are using brake settings in 0 or 10. But when normal brake is fitted, everything is ok!

Tested this with my Peugeot 207 GTi at Stowe, Normal Soft tires.
 
I've noticed a definite change. I was driving the Vette (one of the old RM versions in GT6) and although I was ABS 0, my brake balance was 6/4. WTF? I'm used to ABS 0 being 3/0 or 4/1 but 6/4? That's almost ABS 1 territory.
The racing brakes are certainly useless for a DS3 - definitely for pedals with sponge balls under them!!

I was also driving the FXX ABS 0 and again the brake balance was wierd on normal brakes - I think I was using 5/3!! ABS 0 - really???

The RM function on DS3s doesn't work online or in free run. Apsec only at the moment it seems.
 
Racing brakes will easily lock up SH tyres even at 1/0
Best to stick with standard brakes, and change according to tyre type and car hp.
 
People that drift without an E-brake like me have to change our driving style completely. I used to run 0-10 brake bias w/o ABS, so everytime i tapped it it would stay in its position and wont lose any angle. Now after the latest update it became horrible. A single touch just makes it lock up and straighten up instantly. Its kind of annoying in my opinion.
 
I noticed a HUGE difference last night. Using a BMW GT3 car before yesterday, I was locking up way too easily. Had the brakes at 1/0 on RH's. Last night took the exact same car and no lockup at all at 1/0. So started raising the B/B until I was at 6/2. Now I could actually use some pedal and modulate properly. No doubt I could raise that even more. Much, much better for me.

This was in Arcade mode-single race.

Edit: OK, this is weird. Just now drove the same car and it's locking up with barely any pedal. Am I losing my mind? Just barely pushing down with my toe at 30mph and it locks up. What the heck is going on here?
 
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Feels exactly the same to me on everything. Only difference is thanks to the RA menu I can now set the brakes up while racing instead of just guessing - you cant set them in free run because they seem to be about 1000x more powerful and instantly lock up. Been running 5/3 on most cars, although with worse tyres you might need to back that down to 3/1.
 
When using ABS 0 there is a clear distinction between racing and standard brakes. When discussing this topic you should reference which set of brakes you are using for your posts to be in context. Standard brakes work far better without ABS vs. racing brakes. Only drove one car last night without ABS and it was fine at 4/2 with standard brakes.
 
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I haven't noticed much of a change to the braking behavior offline since 1.02, and as someone said the RA menu does seem to work in career races at least. I haven't ventured online yet, but I guess they still have some bugfixing to do with it if things still aren't working the same in all modes. I'm still able to brake nearly full force without locking if the road is smooth. Race brakes do seem to be much stronger than street brakes, I'm only able to use a bit over 50% brake on SH at 5/5 with them.

I haven't tried using the DS3 in GT6 yet, is it the same as in GT5 with a linear brake and non-linear throttle? I never had any trouble modulating the brake with the triggers in GT5, just the throttle(which was horrible) - so I always found the complaints about DS3 braking a little puzzling. It could get tricky braking while turning, but I think that for me was more an issue with trying to steer with the stick than controlling the brake. Overall, non-ABS braking still seems much more forgiving in GT6 than GT5, even at 5/5.
 
Giulietta73
I've noticed a definite change. I was driving the Vette (one of the old RM versions in GT6) and although I was ABS 0, my brake balance was 6/4. WTF? I'm used to ABS 0 being 3/0 or 4/1 but 6/4? That's almost ABS 1 territory.
The racing brakes are certainly useless for a DS3 - definitely for pedals with sponge balls under them!!

I was also driving the FXX ABS 0 and again the brake balance was wierd on normal brakes - I think I was using 5/3!! ABS 0 - really???

The RM function on DS3s doesn't work online or in free run. Apsec only at the moment it seems.
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Not sure why you would think that changing the ABS setting should somehow alter your brake bias setting. They should be totally separate.

I ran several tests on the brakes before 1.02 using ABS 0 and ABS1 and various brake bias settings. I found that it did not matter if the numbers in brake bias were as low as they go or as high as they go my stopping distance was the same in both cases. With ABS 1 my stopping distance was consistent with ABS 0 I could stop a little shorter [not much] if I did it just right but often would either be to light or to heavy on the pedal and stopping distance was increased.

As for the bias I run 6:4 on a lot of cars but have tried other values and the only difference I have saw is in the ratio when set to 5:5 some cars will get more braking on the rear and cause the rear to kick out under braking so higher on the front lower on the rear has always helped this.

I'll have to do some more testing under 1.02 with standard brakes and racing brakes. I generally use ABS 1 and so far had not noticed a difference after the patch but haven't tested ABS 0 since the patch
 
No issue for me, been using 9/3 ( FF,FR,AWD) to 9/2 BB (MR) for most cars, my WIP J's Racing S2000 fitted with racing brakes works great too :) I'm on DS2 though, so that's an exception, DS2 FTW :) I bought another pair of brand new DS2 just in case :lol:

One thing is certain, I can have the brake force bar filled up to just over half when braking from high speed, and about a quarter to half on lower speed - before lock up. I mainly use comfort tires for cars up to 400HP or 550PP.

Racing my '88 Countach is a bliss with no ABS, I can feel the front tires digging for grip when trail braking deep into corner, really fun at Ascari Race.
 
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As for ABS 0 I found a problem when the car is fitted with racing brakes, a slight touch in brake's pedal locks up the four wheels. No matter if you are using brake settings in 0 or 10. But when normal brake is fitted, everything is ok!

Tested this with my Peugeot 207 GTi at Stowe, Normal Soft tires.
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I ran into this prior to the 1.02 update, as well, but it seems more pronounced now.
 
Finished my J's Racing S2000 - 280-320PS, comfort soft, 1100kg, got David vs Goliath trophy with it racing against tuned car racer on IB tuned car event driving with comfort soft ( got gold on all 3 ). The racing brakes kit lower the threshold of brake force bar to around 40% in high speed and 25-30% in low speed, now I can press the brake lightly and enjoy a lot shorter braking distance. Tested at Bathurst, low 2:36 in 1st lap with CS tire, no ABS - racing brake kit fitted, 9/3 BB, top speed around 240kmh due to the big wing :D

Brake balance works fine, my front lock 1st, the rear almost never locks with 9/3 - when I intentionally apply too much brake force, tried 4/1 BB and I can use higher brake force in high speed - close to 60% red brake bar filled. These are with racing brake kit.
 
Yes, I noticed the same thing too. Pre-patch 1.02 braking with ABS 0 was heaven, it seems too sensitive now.
Had to begin adjusting brake bias more aggressively, now I know it's not only me.
 
@HBR-Roadhog
I'm no tuner for sure:lol:
I just alter the brakes until the car feels right. All I can talk about is what works for me. I also use a DS3 where the tolerance is so small.👍

ABS 0 in gt6 is a very different beast to gt6. :)
 
I use racing breaks with a brake balance of 3-2 on RWD cars. I can't really compare 1.02 to to others but I like how it feels. I love the lock up, it helps kick the back end out just a little bit, enough to get a little slide through the corner.

Maybe I'm just a weird driver :lol:. I had a gap of .286 with the guy a guy in first using ABS 1, I came in second :) - A replay for my collection!
 
I've also noticed that running no abs after 1.02 has become a nightmare, before the patch the 1st thing I remember smiling about from 1st impressions were how good the feel was at braking with abs off. Could trail brake into corners and really feel where the limit was before locking.
I now run abs 1 has can't seem to find any confidence with abs off.
 
i dont run offline, yh i did the glitch and spent 380 million on cars ( i know im bad :( ) im only interested in racing online with my friends, and we were running huge bb's for ABS 0 before 1.02 and all of the guys i know have noticed it revert back to be more like GT5, as for the RA menu it may work offine ( havent tried it ) but it doesnt work online.

I just want to add that in real life many years ago i commisioned a light weight 250bhp RS turbo built by a company called " Power and Engineering ", when it was first built i had Tarrox discs and calipers on the front and drums on the back, I was waiting for the last part of the car, a new rear axle to have the tarrox discs and calipers fitted to the back, i never forget that month as i had it on Brands hatch testing it out on a track day, every time i braked hard the back would squirm hard as the front had huge stopping power and the back just couldnt slow down quick enough, my point is pre 1.02 patch you had to run a reasonably high back brake balance ( about 1 lower than the front ) to stop this exact effect, it was something missing from GT5 and it was great ! and i for one want it back !
 
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I use a DFGT and with ABS = 0, just the slightest tap and all wheels lock - terrible.

I have to use ABS and then Racing Brakes are just fine.

RA menu only allows me to change TC though !!!
 
This is going to be a bit ambitious, but maybe you need to consider warming up your brakes more now? Race brakes will lock up quite a bit when cold, so that could be relevant. Though I'm not sure GT6 simulates that. And it would be silly to make brake warmup relevant, because you don't get a warm up lap or session before the race.

But more likely, and this is the option I don't like, which is that PD has made the brakes more "Lock-prone."

Note: When someone says "PD has taken a step back," I just imagine that every individual person working for PD has a job with something specific, and they're all diving all over the place, back forth, sideways, you name it. :p
 
Gabe Logan
RA menu only allows me to change TC though !!!
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This is the issue, not specifically the newest patch/brakes. Free run mode is still bugged in that the brakes aren't adjustable and seem to be at max force, anything that uses the free run mode (such as seasonal events) end up with the same problem. I can race my 908 on 6/3 brakes completely fine with no ABS, however in free run mode it will instantly lock up unless I run 0/0, even then it's not great. It's done it since release though, not as a result of the latest patch.
 
Skython
This is going to be a bit ambitious, but maybe you need to consider warming up your brakes more now? Race brakes will lock up quite a bit when cold, so that could be relevant. Though I'm not sure GT6 simulates that. And it would be silly to make brake warmup relevant, because you don't get a warm up lap or session before the race.

But more likely, and this is the option I don't like, which is that PD has made the brakes more "Lock-prone."

Note: When someone says "PD has taken a step back," I just imagine that every individual person working for PD has a job with something specific, and they're all diving all over the place, back forth, sideways, you name it. :p
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Post-1.02, the lock up experienced with race brakes/0 ABS no longer seems to dissipate with "warm up".
 
Still working fine after 1.02, values vary car weight and power combined with tires compound.
Like 2002 bmw is on standard brakes, 380hp/1000kg 7/7 bias on comfort soft to sports soft.
Mb gt3 racing brakes 3/3 to 5/5 sports soft to racing mediums.
Cold tyres on first lap have to warmup.
I'm making bias so at it will be easy to lock up tires if you want but not locking without purpose.
Lsd is supporting brakes bias along with suspension, if one of these sets fails tires will lockup.
 
Fuzzi0n
This is the issue, not specifically the newest patch/brakes. Free run mode is still bugged in that the brakes aren't adjustable and seem to be at max force, anything that uses the free run mode (such as seasonal events) end up with the same problem. I can race my 908 on 6/3 brakes completely fine with no ABS, however in free run mode it will instantly lock up unless I run 0/0, even then it's not great. It's done it since release though, not as a result of the latest patch.
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I agree with you; I have repeated and posted the same thing from day one: in "free run" and "time attack" brake balance is broken and is set to the max.
 
Running a stock V12 Vantage on The Ring 24 hour in Free Run & Online practice, I felt no real difference (stock brakes too). Maybe they are ever so slightly more sensitive, but can't really tell any major difference. I had ABS at 0, & my brakes were at 6/3.
 
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Finished my J's Racing S2000 - 280-320PS, comfort soft, 1100kg, got David vs Goliath trophy with it racing against tuned car racer on IB tuned car event driving with comfort soft ( got gold on all 3 ). The racing brakes kit lower the threshold of brake force bar to around 40% in high speed and 25-30% in low speed, now I can press the brake lightly and enjoy a lot shorter braking distance. Tested at Bathurst, low 2:36 in 1st lap with CS tire, no ABS - racing brake kit fitted, 9/3 BB, top speed around 240kmh due to the big wing :D

Brake balance works fine, my front lock 1st, the rear almost never locks with 9/3 - when I intentionally apply too much brake force, tried 4/1 BB and I can use higher brake force in high speed - close to 60% red brake bar filled. These are with racing brake kit.
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This was done offline test drive from garage menu, lowering the BB value does have an effect that it allows more brake force to be used :)
 
I ran a few laps with abs 0 with standard and racing brakes, I found that a higher setting worked much better with standard brakes, with racing I had it a bit lower. My current setting is 7/6 on standard brakes on everything - I normally drive within the 450-550pp range.
 

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