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Hi there! I'm thinking of buying and building my own PC for the first time. I need some advices from you if you think of better or equal performance for gaming and for a cheaper price. Here's what i've choosed at the moment :

CPU: Intel Core I7 3820/3,6 GHz : 270 euro
GPU: PNY GTX680 2GB : 400 euro
Mothercard: Asus Maximus IV extreme-Z : 210 euro
Ram memory : Kingston - KHX16C10B1RK2/16 ( 2 times 8 GB ) : 116 euro
PC case: Thermaltake Overseer RX-I VN700M1W2N : 111 euro
CD reader : LG - CH10LS28 : 68 euro
Supply: Corsair TX 650 : 88 euro
Total : around 1260 euro

I already have two HDD.
So what do you suggest? Something better? Or anything wrong? Because it is my first time XD
 
A few notes.

If you want to save some money you can get another Motherboard. The one you listed is good however it's a bit pricy and if you dont plan on overclocking your pc a lot it's not really worth it. A cheaper alternative would be something like that :
MSI Z77A-G45 it's going for around 100 euro.

Also apparently the I7-3770k is better than this one, you can check this link here.

8giga of ram is more than enough to do anything unless you're doing huge encoding or rendering. For gaming 8 is more than enough.

With the money saved on the MB I would take a SSD of 128 GB. It's pretty cool to speed up your computer.

The rest seems ok and more like a mather of taste. I would rather get a NZXT pc case because I like the look and the fan possibility. Oh and if you want to overclock your processor, get a dedicate fan.

www.hardware.fr has good basic configuration, after if you want a system a bit better you just upgrade what you want.
 
Thanks for quick answer! I will check tommorow for the motherboard and PCU but that actually looks ok, I only want something good for playing and something that could last around 4-5 years XD. I'll definitely buy 8GB of Ram as you said. And I actually don't know for the PC case; any desigh is ok for me, it's not important, i'll just pick another if it's cheaper and has same/higher performance. I also have 2 questions: do I need a ventilation? And what is a SSD?
 
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Yes you do need ventilation in your case as your components will get hot and require airflow over them to keep them cool. An intake on the front with a 120mm or 140mm fan, or maybe two, and some ventilation on top which could be passive (meaning you dont install fans and let heat rise out naturally) and one fan in the rear of the case will be perfectly adequate. You also want to make sure you have more intake fans than fans pushing air out of the case, as this will create positive air pressure and slow down dust build up in the case.
There are many cases on the market, and as long as you don't go super cheap you will be fine, just post the link on here and we can approve.

An SSD stands for Solid State Drive. It is like a hard drive in that it is a storage device that in inside your computer and attaches to your motherboard via a sata cable. However, it doesn't have any moving parts, unlike a hard drive, which is a spinning disk with an arm moving over it which reads and writes data.

Due to the fact that SSDs have no moving parts, they are much, much quicker than hard drivers and aren't limited by things like the RPM of the disk in hard drives, they are kind of like big memory sticks, but way faster.

People normally use SSDs as boot drives, meaning they are the drive you place windows on, this makes windows start up and shut down faster and makes the windows experience snappier. Any application you put on the SSD will also load faster than if it were on a hard drive.

SSDs are more expensive than hard drives, so most people buy relatively small capacities in comparison. The smallest I would recommend for a boot drive is 120gb as it will fill up slowly even if you install programs on another hard drive. Windows takes up about 15-20 gigs of space, but the SSD will continue to fill up slowly. My 120 gb SSD is nearly a year old and has 50 gigs left, despite no programs being installed on it.

SSDs are also alot more reliable than hard drives, which much lower failure rates.

Just a general overview of SSDs there, any questions I will try to answer to the best of my ability. :)
 
My suggestions:

Get a i7-3770K as the processor. :) (Though i5-3570K would be sufficient for gaming if you want to cut costs)

CPU coolers, you've got yourself a selection here, knowing prices/discounts help decision:
CM Hyper 212 EVO, Coolink Corator DS, Thermalright Macho 120 or HR-02, Cooler Master TPC-812, Noctua NH-D14, Phanteks PH-TC14PE. One of those should be cool enough for i7-3770K.

Asrock Z77 Extreme4 as the motherboard, it's got great potential and it doesn't cost a fortune.

Cheap, but still well-known manufacturer SATAIII 240-256GB SSD.

DDR3 2x4GB 1600MHz (or possibly faster) 1.5v as the RAM, preferably with heatspreaders.

GTX 680 GTX 670 with 2GB VRAM is a good choice, get Asus, MSI or Gigabyte model for quieter and decent GPU cooling. (Thanks for the information, Sharky. :))

I'm bad at suggesting expensive gaming cases, I guess that Overseer RX-I is alright if you want a full-tower case and like the looks of it. I think it has enough fans, but you can add a 20cm intake side panel fan for extra GPU cooling or another 20cm fan to the top for exhausting air.

Good choice of power supply, no need to change that.
 
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i5-3570K, Hyper 212 CPU cooler, pretty much any full-size (ATX) Z77 board from well-known brands like ASRock, Gigabyte, MSI, Asus etc will do and a GTX 660Ti/ 670 or AMD 7850/7870GHz edition graphics card. 660Tis are solid performance cards, 670s can be very easily overclocked to be faster than a stock 680 - effectively a 680 for the price of a 670 - and 7850/7870 GHz edition cards on the AMD side are very good value.

Neither a 3770K or 3820 offer anywhere near enough of a performance advantage in gaming over a 3570K to warrant the extra $$$, if you're going to also find yourself using highly multi-threaded applications (if you don't know what this means then odds are you won't be) then a 3770K is a better choice but if not then there is no reason to buy anything that isn't an i5-3570K. I have one (3570K). That should be all the reasoning you need ;)
 
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Thanks everyone! So here are what i've changed:

CPU: core I7 3770K
8 GB Ram ( plus all that I have home XD )
Motherboard: 911-7752-001 Z77A-G45
Pc case : change or..?
Ventilation: which one do you suggest for my settings?

I have home one HDD 500GB and one Sata 500GB from my older computer
 
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Thanks everyone! So here are what i've changed:

8 GB Ram ( plus all that I have home XD )
Pc case : change or..?

I have home one HDD 500GB and one Sata 500GB from my older computer
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First of all, dont mix different kind of ram. Try to always put the same ram.

PC case, there's cheaper alternative on hardware.fr if you want to check.

After for the HDD, I would need much more than that but you can always put another one if you feel like you need one.

I really encourage you to try out a SSD tho, it change how your pc is running a lot. But SSD as some people are saying is only speeding things to start windows and some heavy task, if you feel you dont need one, then forget it.

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Ventilation: which one do you suggest for my settings?
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If you mean the CPU fans, if you dont plan on overclocking your cpu, you can just use the one that comes with your 3770k, it will work perfectly. And if you want to change it later, you always can, it's not a big deal to change a cpu fan.
 
So there's no need for ventilation? There is already one integrated with the processor? And isn't the Sata the SSD?
 
Well no SATA is the connector norm, while SSD is the type of Hard Drive.

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On this pics, the HD on the top is a SATA HD, while the HD below is an IDE HD. Both works on the same ways, with magnets and moving parts if you open them.

A SSD HD looks like this and works on SATA connectors as well:
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If you open them so you understand the difference it looks like this for the "normal" SATA HD :
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While a SSD looks like this :
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The speed on "normal" HD are express in RPM usually and you want to have something that have 7200 RPM while on SSD it's the controller of the SSD that will define the speed. I can't really tell which one of the SSD is better to have atm, it's been a while since I bought mine.
 
Thannnks!!! That's so great to have some help for free! But I still have a question ( 2 XD ), do I definitely need a ventilation? Or is it already integrated with the CPU? And do I need a big pc case for gaming? What size is recommanded?
 
No you dont, there's one included with the CPU. It's just that if you want to overclock you'll need a better one since the one included is only able to support the stock frequency.

Midi-Tower or Big-Tower is the best. A midi-tower is more than enough for a 1 card setup. Be aware tho that some Midi-Tower might be just a bit too short for a big card like a gtx680, the best is to ask if the gtx680 fit when you order/buy it.
You want if possible a tower with a setup like that :

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It's easier to sort out cable and let the maximum air flow possible.
 
The cpu comes with a heat sink and a fan. This is relatively small because it's designed to fit in most cases. Because of this, its not the best. It can get pretty loud too, but it is adequate.

Now, you can buy an 'aftermarket cooler' which are bigger and harder to fit, and quieter, but as a beginner, I recommend sticking with the stock cooler for you first build, and then upgrading when you feel you want/need to, this is what I did.

The GPU will also have a stock cooler on it, but you don't have to change this one, that is pretty complicated for a beginner and not really necessary.

Now, these will do fine in cooling your computer, but because gaming components can get pretty hot, you will want to get a case with adequate ventilation. Something like this: http://www.ebuyer.com/351501-corsair-carbide-300r-case-cc-9011014-ww

That is just a random example, there are so many other cases that have decent ventilation. As long as it has a few fan mounting points it should be fine, but you can ask us on here before you buy if your not sure.
 
Ok, this is from my old computer. I don't know if it's mid or bit tower. Tell me if it can be good for my setup.
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Yeah you should get a new case. That won't provide the ventilation that you need. I know here in the US you can get some nice cases for the $50-$70 USD pricepoint that some of them come with dust fiilters and have plenty of points for air to move through.
 
Ok thanks all!!!


And what about this? ;
Pc tower: Zalman Z9U3 : 59 euro
 
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That's a great case for the budget. Dust filters for the power supply and for the front vent(Easy to keep clean). Since the USB 3.0 ports are just a pass-thru cable, buy this adapter so you will have two additional USB 3.0 ports. Normally you would have to route the connection to the back of the case but with the adapter you can avoid wasting 2 USB ports.
 
Thanks everyone!!! Now I have the perfect settings! I will buy them in one month i hope ;)
 
HI! I have a last question for you guys: I'm planning to order every thing one by one then build it myself. Good Idea? Because it is cheaper and the websites where we choose and they build for us are very expensive.
 
Building a computer by yourself isn't difficult nowadays and I'm sure most products come with adequate instruction manuals. Don't worry and take your time building. :)

Don't hesitate to ask if you can't find an answer for problems.
 
Thanks man! I have another question: Suppose that I'll take the GTX 690 instead of the 680. Are my settings ok to run it?
 
TX650 is just fine for the GTX 690, if you want to get it. Also the GTX 690 will fit it in that Zalman Z9U3 case.

By the way, there is a modular version of the TX650 called TX650M, if you want easier cable management I suggest to get it. It shouldn't be too much more expensive.
 
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Hi, now I'm going to order it but I still have some questions about it:

I want to connect the pc into my TV by a HDMI cable. Is it possible? And will my TV support any kind of frame-rate?

I heard that the motherboard has some issues, is it really a good one?

I'm going to take the 690 gtx, is 700W enough for everything?

Thanks to answear these questions :)
 
Yes you can plug your PC into your TV but the frame rate will be limited to the refresh rate of the TV, so probably 60, possibly 120fps depending on what you have. This isn't a big deal as PC monitors are subject to the same limitation. As for your other questions, I can't remember what they were (I'm on the app).
 

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